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Please help us to stop fraud and violence in Scientology
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Gigi S.
2011-09-27 20:33:28 UTC
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I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled, EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.

at, http://wh.gov/4Os

I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.

Gigi
bd4u.utah
2011-09-27 23:01:25 UTC
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I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.

bd4u.utah
a***@yahoo.com
2011-09-27 23:39:48 UTC
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Post by bd4u.utah
I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
bd4u.utah
2011-09-28 01:28:17 UTC
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Post by bd4u.utah
I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did.. ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.

Many people out there, know what I mean.

bd4u.utah
Colonel Jake
2011-09-28 05:03:54 UTC
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Post by bd4u.utah
Post by Gigi S.
I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled, EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did.. ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
I know for a fact that Sun Myung Moon wants unification
at the cost of everybody giving up their GoD given right
of 'freedom of choice,' that way he can lead you like a
lamb to the slaughter, to the place he's headed for,
where the worm never dies that eats upon him and the
hell fires never quench, and the place where the soul's
are damned for all eternity...that's right! follow
Sun Myung Moon to his kingdom, the kingdom of hell!.
Post by bd4u.utah
bd4u.utah<SLAP>
bd4u.utah
2011-09-28 05:19:14 UTC
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Post by Colonel Jake
Post by bd4u.utah
Post by a***@yahoo.com
Post by bd4u.utah
I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
I know for a fact that Sun Myung Moon wants unification
at the cost of everybody giving up their GoD given right
of 'freedom of choice,' that way he can lead you like a
lamb to the slaughter, to the place he's headed for,
where the worm never dies that eats upon him and the
hell fires never quench, and the place where the soul's
are damned for all eternity...that's right! follow
Sun Myung Moon to his kingdom, the kingdom of hell!.
Worse things than that has been said about Sun Myung Moon,
AND the Mormons, AND, the Jews, AND Scientologists too!
So what makes YOU so special?



bd4u.utah
Colonel Jake
2011-09-28 05:55:07 UTC
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Post by a***@yahoo.com
Post by bd4u.utah
Post by Gigi S.
I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled, EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did.. ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
I know for a fact that Sun Myung Moon wants unification
at the cost of everybody giving up their GoD given right
of 'freedom of choice,' that way he can lead you like a
lamb to the slaughter, to the place he's headed for,
where the worm never dies that eats upon him and the
hell fires never quench, and the place where the soul's
are damned for all eternity...that's right! follow
Sun Myung Moon to his kingdom, the kingdom of hell!.
Worse things than that has been said about Sun Myung Moon,
AND the Mormons, AND, the Jews, AND Scientologists too!
So what makes YOU so special?
bd4u.utah
My existence, the whisperings, and the warnings about
you and your ilk...I can feel it in my might, that you're
a deceiver and will take down everyone you can, you prey
on children, leading them astray from the ones they love
and entrust their very lives upon, you brainwash your
neighbors into believing the way you do, ever so leading
them to the path of damnation, the same path which
you're lost on yourself, you don't want to be alone on
your journey, so you misguide those who'll follow you,
as they become lost, you find and mislead others, you
created a sin which is so thick that light itself has no
brightness, you're beyond the promised resurrection
of life ever after, and you'll die for all eternity, you're
stricken to a world of time, a time that has an end!!!...

*unless you fully repent, you'll expire permanently*

<on your knees now and repent, repent, repent>

During you next sleep? you'll see all that I have
mentioned, it will encroach upon you, and you will
see the sure fires of hell, unless you repent now.

<on your knees now and repent, repent, repent>
bd4u.utah
2011-09-28 06:25:08 UTC
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Post by bd4u.utah
Post by Colonel Jake
Post by bd4u.utah
Post by a***@yahoo.com
Post by bd4u.utah
I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
I know for a fact that Sun Myung Moon wants unification
at the cost of everybody giving up their GoD given right
of 'freedom of choice,' that way he can lead you like a
lamb to the slaughter, to the place he's headed for,
where the worm never dies that eats upon him and the
hell fires never quench, and the place where the soul's
are damned for all eternity...that's right! follow
Sun Myung Moon to his kingdom, the kingdom of hell!.
Worse things than that has been said about Sun Myung Moon,
AND the Mormons, AND, the Jews, AND Scientologists too!
So what makes YOU so special?
bd4u.utah
My existence, the whisperings, and the warnings about
you and your ilk...I can feel it in my might, that you're
a deceiver and will take down everyone you can, you prey
on children, leading them astray from the ones they love
and entrust their very lives upon, you brainwash your
neighbors into believing the way you do, ever so leading
them to the path of damnation, the same path which
you're lost on yourself, you don't want to be alone on
your journey, so you misguide those who'll follow you,
as they become lost, you find and mislead others, you
created a sin which is so thick that light itself has no
brightness, you're beyond the promised resurrection
of life ever after, and you'll die for all eternity, you're
stricken to a world of time, a time that has an end!!!...
*unless you fully repent, you'll expire permanently*
<on your knees now and repent, repent, repent>
During you next sleep? you'll see all that I have
mentioned, it will encroach upon you, and you will
see the sure fires of hell, unless you repent now.
<on your knees now and repent, repent, repent>
Me and "my" ilk? Hehh, and what might that be?
A Jew, a Mormon, a Unificationist, a Scientologist?
Maybe I am all of them, maybe I am none of them.
You don't know me, though I know you, you are a
bigot for sure! Shame though, you might have actually
amounted to something in the next world. Still can, it's
never to late to turn over a new leaf.

bd4u.utah
Colonel Jake
2011-09-28 08:09:05 UTC
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Post by Gigi S.
I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled, EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did.. ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
I know for a fact that Sun Myung Moon wants unification
at the cost of everybody giving up their GoD given right
of 'freedom of choice,' that way he can lead you like a
lamb to the slaughter, to the place he's headed for,
where the worm never dies that eats upon him and the
hell fires never quench, and the place where the soul's
are damned for all eternity...that's right! follow
Sun Myung Moon to his kingdom, the kingdom of hell!.
Worse things than that has been said about Sun Myung Moon,
AND the Mormons, AND, the Jews, AND Scientologists too!
So what makes YOU so special?
bd4u.utah
My existence, the whisperings, and the warnings about
you and your ilk...I can feel it in my might, that you're
a deceiver and will take down everyone you can, you prey
on children, leading them astray from the ones they love
and entrust their very lives upon, you brainwash your
neighbors into believing the way you do, ever so leading
them to the path of damnation, the same path which
you're lost on yourself, you don't want to be alone on
your journey, so you misguide those who'll follow you,
as they become lost, you find and mislead others, you
created a sin which is so thick that light itself has no
brightness, you're beyond the promised resurrection
of life ever after, and you'll die for all eternity, you're
stricken to a world of time, a time that has an end!!!...
*unless you fully repent, you'll expire permanently*
<on your knees now and repent, repent, repent>
During you next sleep? you'll see all that I have
mentioned, it will encroach upon you, and you will
see the sure fires of hell, unless you repent now.
<on your knees now and repent, repent, repent>
Me and "my" ilk? Hehh, and what might that be?
A Jew, a Mormon, a Unificationist, a Scientologist?
Maybe I am all of them, maybe I am none of them.
You don't know me, though I know you, you are a
bigot for sure! Shame though, you might have actually
amounted to something in the next world. Still can, it's
never to late to turn over a new leaf.
bd4u.utah
Dad? (is that you dad),
"Sheesh, I just knew it was you!!!..."

*mom said to remind you to not forget the milk and bread*
(on your way home from work)

<good luck with that>

--
Colonel Jake - Your son
bd4u.utah
2011-09-28 13:18:48 UTC
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Post by bd4u.utah
Post by Colonel Jake
Post by bd4u.utah
Post by a***@yahoo.com
Post by bd4u.utah
I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
I know for a fact that Sun Myung Moon wants unification
at the cost of everybody giving up their GoD given right
of 'freedom of choice,' that way he can lead you like a
lamb to the slaughter, to the place he's headed for,
where the worm never dies that eats upon him and the
hell fires never quench, and the place where the soul's
are damned for all eternity...that's right! follow
Sun Myung Moon to his kingdom, the kingdom of hell!.
Worse things than that has been said about Sun Myung Moon,
AND the Mormons, AND, the Jews, AND Scientologists too!
So what makes YOU so special?
bd4u.utah
My existence, the whisperings, and the warnings about
you and your ilk...I can feel it in my might, that you're
a deceiver and will take down everyone you can, you prey
on children, leading them astray from the ones they love
and entrust their very lives upon, you brainwash your
neighbors into believing the way you do, ever so leading
them to the path of damnation, the same path which
you're lost on yourself, you don't want to be alone on
your journey, so you misguide those who'll follow you,
as they become lost, you find and mislead others, you
created a sin which is so thick that light itself has no
brightness, you're beyond the promised resurrection
of life ever after, and you'll die for all eternity, you're
stricken to a world of time, a time that has an end!!!...
*unless you fully repent, you'll expire permanently*
<on your knees now and repent, repent, repent>
During you next sleep? you'll see all that I have
mentioned, it will encroach upon you, and you will
see the sure fires of hell, unless you repent now.
<on your knees now and repent, repent, repent>
BTW: God doesn't condemn people for all eternity.
So by what power and authority do you pretend
to do so? Since it isn't God, it must be who?


bd4u.utah
a***@yahoo.com
2011-09-28 17:55:06 UTC
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Post by Colonel Jake
Post by bd4u.utah
Post by a***@yahoo.com
Post by bd4u.utah
I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
I know for a fact that Sun Myung Moon wants unification
at the cost of everybody giving up their GoD given right
of 'freedom of choice,' that way he can lead you like a
lamb to the slaughter, to the place he's headed for,
where the worm never dies that eats upon him and the
hell fires never quench, and the place where the soul's
are damned for all eternity...that's right! follow
Sun Myung Moon to his kingdom, the kingdom of hell!.
Worse things than that has been said about Sun Myung Moon,
AND the Mormons, AND, the Jews, AND Scientologists too!
So what makes YOU so special?
bd4u.utah-
I don't any religious leader has made a statement simular to this one:
As evidence, consider the day in April 2002 when he received the
latest in a long series of earthshattering religious visions. This one
was especially noteworthy. In it, Moon learned that he had been
selected as "the Savior, Messiah and King of Kings of all of humanity"
by God. Also on the selection committee: Jesus Christ, Mohammed, and
Buddha (in addition to several others, including the godless
Communists Marx and Stalin for some mysterious reason). What a bunch
of bullshit,...but it did make him rich!
bd4u.utah
2011-09-28 21:42:33 UTC
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Post by Colonel Jake
Post by bd4u.utah
Post by a***@yahoo.com
Post by bd4u.utah
I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
I know for a fact that Sun Myung Moon wants unification
at the cost of everybody giving up their GoD given right
of 'freedom of choice,' that way he can lead you like a
lamb to the slaughter, to the place he's headed for,
where the worm never dies that eats upon him and the
hell fires never quench, and the place where the soul's
are damned for all eternity...that's right! follow
Sun Myung Moon to his kingdom, the kingdom of hell!.
Worse things than that has been said about Sun Myung Moon,
AND the Mormons, AND, the Jews, AND Scientologists too!
So what makes YOU so special?
bd4u.utah-
As evidence, consider the day in April 2002 when he received the
latest in a long series of earthshattering religious visions. This one
was especially noteworthy. In it, Moon learned that he had been
selected as "the Savior, Messiah and King of Kings of all of humanity"
by God. Also on the selection committee: Jesus Christ, Mohammed, and
Buddha (in addition to several others, including the godless
Communists Marx and Stalin for some mysterious reason).  What a bunch
of bullshit,...but it did make him rich!
Like I said before. If you "think" you know Sun Myung Moon, you
better "think" again! Nothing he says or does is obvious. Everything
he says and does is to challenge the way you might "think".

Some are extremely mentally challenged, others are less so, and
still others just go with the flow.

bd4u.utah
a***@yahoo.com
2011-09-28 17:49:10 UTC
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Post by bd4u.utah
I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean. But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.

Moon is preoccupied with sex. I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity." Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."

Beautiful godly comments here, right? Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
bd4u.utah
2011-09-28 20:55:43 UTC
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Post by bd4u.utah
I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.

You accuse Sun Myung Moon of having a
preoccupation with sex simply because he says it
is bad for you.. And yet how many Strip Clubs,
Pornographic Material, Prostitutes are there in
America? All those border towns in Mexico with
prostitutes lining the streets. They are not there
for Mexicans, they are there for Americans.
And you have the gonads to accuse Sun Myung
Moon of being preoccupied with sex! Hehh..

See I keep telling ya'll, your accusations are lame.
But ya'll keep using them like they actually mean
something. I could be saying the same thing about
Joseph Smith, ya'lls accusations about him are
just as lame.

bd4u.utah
a***@yahoo.com
2011-09-28 21:32:54 UTC
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I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
Post by bd4u.utah
You accuse Sun Myung Moon of having a
preoccupation with sex simply because he says it
is bad for you.
Sex is bad for us? That is a new one! Moon's personal life that has
been made public is what condemns him

. And yet how many Strip Clubs,
Post by bd4u.utah
Pornographic Material, Prostitutes are there in
America? All those border towns in Mexico with
prostitutes lining the streets. They are not there
for Mexicans, they are there for Americans.
And you have the gonads to accuse Sun Myung
Moon of being preoccupied with sex! Hehh..
When I speak of sex, of course I'm not referring to pornographic
material, prostitutes, or Mexico. That stuff is illegal and sick.
Post by bd4u.utah
See I keep telling ya'll, your accusations are lame.
But ya'll keep using them like they actually mean
something. I could be saying the same thing about
Joseph Smith, ya'lls accusations about him are
just as lame.
I don't accuse him, he accuses himself by allowing the media to print
stuff about him. Is he guilty or not? His mission seems to be very
simular to Adolf Hitler. Moon's mission seems to involve replacing
democracy, which he calls a "failed system", with a theocracy, with
himself as the head of both church and state. "The time has come when
the whole world must be concerned about me," Moon has said. "From now
on, American Christianity must follow me." Early in his ministry --
during the 1950s -- Rev Moon reportedly spread sexual purity by having
intercourse with female followers[1]. He sees himself and his wives as
humanity's "true parents", has described the Holocaust as partial
payback for Jewish leaders who did not support Christ, and he says
homosexuality is "where all different kinds of dung collect". His
first wife left him after thirteen years of marriage, repulsed by his
strange religious teachings.

Anyway, this just my opinion,...as is your opinion in the opposite. I
put Moon and Joseph Smith in the same category, ...con artists!
Post by bd4u.utah
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I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
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them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.


<snip> as useless

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I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me? Is this
also a teaching of Moon? This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
Post by bd4u.utah
<snip> as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English. But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
bd4u.utah
2011-09-29 03:16:47 UTC
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GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me?  Is this
also a teaching of Moon?  This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
Post by bd4u.utah
<snip> as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English.  But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.

Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.

But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!

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GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
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at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me?  Is this
also a teaching of Moon?  This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
Post by bd4u.utah
<snip> as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English.  But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging. So, try again, cast some "pearls
before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
bd4u.utah
2011-09-29 17:48:09 UTC
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I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me?  Is this
also a teaching of Moon?  This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
Post by bd4u.utah
<snip> as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English.  But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging.  So, try again, cast some "pearls
before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
Get off the soapbox already. You don't want to know anything,
if you did you wouldn't be asking, you would be finding out
for yourself on your own time.

I'll say it again, "a closed mind is like a steel trap"
The fact that you call what I have to say "opinions"
shows clearly that your mind is already closed to
discussion.

end

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I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me?  Is this
also a teaching of Moon?  This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
Post by bd4u.utah
<snip> as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English.  But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging.  So, try again, cast some "pearls
before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
Get off the soapbox already. You don't want to know anything,
if you did you wouldn't be asking, you would be finding out
for yourself on your own time.
Quit judging and discuss the subject.
Post by bd4u.utah
I'll say it again, "a closed mind is like a steel trap"
The fact that you call what I have to say "opinions"
shows clearly that your mind is already closed to
discussion.
Your acting like a snotty nosed child, answer my question and quit
beating around the bush. If what you post is not opinions, then are
you saying they are facts?
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I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me?  Is this
also a teaching of Moon?  This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
Post by bd4u.utah
<snip> as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English.  But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging.  So, try again, cast some "pearls
before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
Get off the soapbox already. You don't want to know anything,
if you did you wouldn't be asking, you would be finding out
for yourself on your own time.
Quit judging and discuss the subject.
Post by bd4u.utah
I'll say it again, "a closed mind is like a steel trap"
The fact that you call what I have to say "opinions"
shows clearly that your mind is already closed to
discussion.
Your acting like a snotty nosed child, answer my question and quit
beating around the bush.  If what you post is not opinions, then are
you saying they are facts?
Pfffftttt


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at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me?  Is this
also a teaching of Moon?  This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
Post by bd4u.utah
<snip> as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English.  But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging.  So, try again, cast some "pearls
before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
Get off the soapbox already. You don't want to know anything,
if you did you wouldn't be asking, you would be finding out
for yourself on your own time.
Quit judging and discuss the subject.
Post by bd4u.utah
I'll say it again, "a closed mind is like a steel trap"
The fact that you call what I have to say "opinions"
shows clearly that your mind is already closed to
discussion.
Your acting like a snotty nosed child, answer my question and quit
beating around the bush.  If what you post is not opinions, then are
you saying they are facts?
Pfffftttt
bd4u.utah-
Brilliant response !
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Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me?  Is this
also a teaching of Moon?  This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
Post by bd4u.utah
<snip> as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English.  But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging.  So, try again, cast some "pearls
before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
Get off the soapbox already. You don't want to know anything,
if you did you wouldn't be asking, you would be finding out
for yourself on your own time.
Quit judging and discuss the subject.
Post by bd4u.utah
I'll say it again, "a closed mind is like a steel trap"
The fact that you call what I have to say "opinions"
shows clearly that your mind is already closed to
discussion.
Your acting like a snotty nosed child, answer my question and quit
beating around the bush.  If what you post is not opinions, then are
you saying they are facts?
It is a great misconception because of Christianity
that people should not "judge". Yet Jesus NEVER
said NOT to judge. He expressed in his words
that we should be careful HOW we judge.

People judge all the time, just as you are judging me
now for judging. Hehh, what hypocrisy..


bd4u.utah
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at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me?  Is this
also a teaching of Moon?  This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
Post by bd4u.utah
<snip> as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English.  But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging.  So, try again, cast some "pearls
before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
Get off the soapbox already. You don't want to know anything,
if you did you wouldn't be asking, you would be finding out
for yourself on your own time.
Quit judging and discuss the subject.
Post by bd4u.utah
I'll say it again, "a closed mind is like a steel trap"
The fact that you call what I have to say "opinions"
shows clearly that your mind is already closed to
discussion.
Your acting like a snotty nosed child, answer my question and quit
beating around the bush.  If what you post is not opinions, then are
you saying they are facts?
It is a great misconception because of Christianity
that people should not "judge". Yet Jesus NEVER
said NOT to judge. He expressed in his words
that we should be careful HOW we judge.
People judge all the time, just as you are judging me
now for judging. Hehh, what hypocrisy..
bd4u.utah-
I thought the following was quoting you, not judging you.

Quote bd4u: It's not worth my time. Besides you already have your own
mind made up as to what it means. I'm not here to change minds, only
to educate them. Something about casting pearls before swine. Cause
the swine no not the value of such things. Unquote

Also quote: I'll say it again, "a closed mind is like a steel trap"
The fact that you call what I have to say "opinions" shows clearly
that your mind is already closed to discussion. unquote

As I asked, are your opinions fact?
Why do you think you are qualified to educate anyone?
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GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me?  Is this
also a teaching of Moon?  This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
Post by bd4u.utah
<snip> as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English.  But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging.  So, try again, cast some "pearls
before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
You are right, I am judging. Judging whether you are teachable
or not, and in my better judgement, you simply are NOT!
NOT worth my time, or anybody else's either.

bd4u.utah
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GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me?  Is this
also a teaching of Moon?  This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
Post by bd4u.utah
<snip> as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English.  But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging.  So, try again, cast some "pearls
before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
You are right, I am judging. Judging whether you are teachable
or not, and in my better judgement, you simply are NOT!
NOT worth my time, or anybody else's either.
bd4u.utah-
Thanks for admitting you are judging. Now, where did you get the
authority to judge? Also, my original question before all your judging
bullshit was: Is the following true?

Early in his ministry --
during the 1950s -- Rev Moon reportedly spread sexual purity by
having
intercourse with female followers[1]. He sees himself and his wives
as
humanity's "true parents", has described the Holocaust as partial
payback for Jewish leaders who did not support Christ, and he says
homosexuality is "where all different kinds of dung collect". His
first wife left him after thirteen years of marriage, repulsed by his
strange religious teachings.

Moon's mission seems to involve replacing
democracy, which he calls a "failed system", with a theocracy, with
himself as the head of both church and state.
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at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did.. ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean. But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex. I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity." Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right? Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me? Is this
also a teaching of Moon? This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
Post by bd4u.utah
<snip> as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English. But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging. So, try again, cast some "pearls
before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
You are right, I am judging. Judging whether you are teachable
or not, and in my better judgement, you simply are NOT!
NOT worth my time, or anybody else's either.
bd4u.utah-
Thanks for admitting you are judging. Now, where did you get the
authority to judge? Also, my original question before all your judging
bullshit was: Is the following true?
Early in his ministry --
during the 1950s -- Rev Moon reportedly spread sexual purity by having
intercourse with female followers[1]. He sees himself and his wives as
humanity's "true parents", has described the Holocaust as partial
payback for Jewish leaders who did not support Christ, and he says
homosexuality is "where all different kinds of dung collect". His
first wife left him after thirteen years of marriage, repulsed by his
strange religious teachings.
Moon's mission seems to involve replacing
democracy, which he calls a "failed system", with a theocracy, with
himself as the head of both church and state.
Isn't that something Amalthea?,
"How wannabe missionaries just don't know when to quit?
I remembering going to a Born Again Christian Church
with my cousins back in '84, and they found out what my
religion was, and their response was, 'You're not saved,
you must join my church, or you'll not be saved!,' yeah,
I thought they were pretty pathetic acting all knowing
and if you're not a member of our church you're DAMNED,
but I read somewhere here that you served a LDS mission
and if so, do you remember what missionaries are
supposed to do when they encounter folks like 'bd4u?,'
that's right! they're supposed to walk away from them
and dust off their shoes...well my shoes have already
been dusted off, question is? have you dusted yours
off yet?!?!?!..."
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at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me?  Is this
also a teaching of Moon?  This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
Post by bd4u.utah
<snip>  as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English.  But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging.  So, try again, cast some "pearls
before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
You are right, I am judging. Judging whether you are teachable
or not, and in my better judgement, you simply are NOT!
NOT worth my time, or anybody else's either.
bd4u.utah-
Thanks for admitting you are judging.  Now, where did you get the
authority to judge? Also, my original question before all your judging
bullshit was: Is the following true?
Early in his ministry --
during the 1950s -- Rev Moon reportedly spread sexual purity by having
intercourse with female followers[1]. He sees himself and his wives as
humanity's "true parents", has described the Holocaust as partial
payback for Jewish leaders who did not support Christ, and he says
homosexuality is "where all different kinds of dung collect". His
first wife left him after thirteen years of marriage, repulsed by his
strange religious teachings.
Moon's mission seems to involve replacing
democracy, which he calls a "failed system", with a theocracy, with
himself as the head of both church and state.
Isn't that something Amalthea?,
"How wannabe missionaries just don't know when to quit?
I remembering going to a Born Again Christian Church
with my cousins back in '84, and they found out what my
religion was, and their response was, 'You're not saved,
you must join my church, or you'll not be saved!,' yeah,
I thought they were pretty pathetic acting all knowing
and if you're not a member of our church you're DAMNED,T
You are so right. The LDS missionaries job is to contact nonmembers
and tell them everything they believed all their life is wrong.
That's what conversion is all about. The missionaries constantly
testify that they "know" that they represent the "only" true church on
earth!
Post by Colonel Jake
but I read somewhere here that you served a LDS mission
and if so, do you remember what missionaries are
supposed to do when they encounter folks like 'bd4u?,'
that's right! they're supposed to walk away from them
and dust off their shoes...well my shoes have already
been dusted off, question is? have you dusted yours
off yet?!?!?!..."-
Yes, I served a mission in the 50's and was told that if we tracted
any blacks not to proselyt them, just hand them a track and walk
away. At that time the church was practicing discrimination and the
blacks were not allowed to hold the priesthood because they had the
blood of Cain in them! What a bunch crap! And you are right, there
was a time when missionaries were to dust of their shoes from the
property of any who would not listen to them. They do not do that
anymore, in fact, the current missionaries are very polite and
agreeable. They still visit me regularly even though I am inactive.
bd4u.utah
2011-09-30 01:39:25 UTC
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I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me?  Is this
also a teaching of Moon?  This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
Post by bd4u.utah
<snip>  as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English.  But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging.  So, try again, cast some "pearls
before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
You are right, I am judging. Judging whether you are teachable
or not, and in my better judgement, you simply are NOT!
NOT worth my time, or anybody else's either.
bd4u.utah-
Thanks for admitting you are judging.  Now, where did you get the
authority to judge? Also, my original question before all your judging
bullshit was: Is the following true?
Early in his ministry --
during the 1950s -- Rev Moon reportedly spread sexual purity by having
intercourse with female followers[1]. He sees himself and his wives as
humanity's "true parents", has described the Holocaust as partial
payback for Jewish leaders who did not support Christ, and he says
homosexuality is "where all different kinds of dung collect". His
first wife left him after thirteen years of marriage, repulsed by his
strange religious teachings.
Moon's mission seems to involve replacing
democracy, which he calls a "failed system", with a theocracy, with
himself as the head of both church and state.
Isn't that something Amalthea?,
"How wannabe missionaries just don't know when to quit?
I remembering going to a Born Again Christian Church
with my cousins back in '84, and they found out what my
religion was, and their response was, 'You're not saved,
you must join my church, or you'll not be saved!,' yeah,
I thought they were pretty pathetic acting all knowing
and if you're not a member of our church you're DAMNED,T
You are so right.  The LDS missionaries job is to contact nonmembers
and tell them everything they believed all their life is wrong.
That's what conversion is all about.  The missionaries constantly
testify that they "know" that they represent the "only" true church on
earth!
You must have had an oddball experience
with the Mormon missionairies. Beleive me
when I tell you that I have had a few of my own.
Not everybody is led by the the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) Yet many a Mormon are!

All I can suggest to you is to Repent, and
recieve the Holy Ghost (Shekhinah, Tao).

You can not fill a cup that is already full.
That is where repentance comes into play.
It empties your cup that it may be filled again.

Tha\ose that have an ear, let them hear.

bd4u.utah
Post by Colonel Jake
but I read somewhere here that you served a LDS mission
and if so, do you remember what missionaries are
supposed to do when they encounter folks like 'bd4u?,'
that's right! they're supposed to walk away from them
and dust off their shoes...well my shoes have already
been dusted off, question is? have you dusted yours
off yet?!?!?!..."-
Yes, I served a mission in the 50's and was told that if we tracted
any blacks not to proselyt them, just hand them a track and walk
away.  At that time the church was practicing discrimination and the
blacks were not allowed to hold the priesthood because they had the
blood of Cain in them!  What a bunch crap!  And you are right, there
was a time when missionaries were to dust of their shoes from the
property of any who would not listen to them.  They do not do that
anymore, in fact, the current missionaries are very polite and
agreeable. They still visit me regularly even though I am inactive.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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Post by bd4u.utah
Post by a***@yahoo.com
Post by bd4u.utah
Post by bd4u.utah
Post by a***@yahoo.com
Post by bd4u.utah
I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me?  Is this
also a teaching of Moon?  This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
Post by bd4u.utah
<snip>  as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English.  But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging.  So, try again, cast some "pearls
before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
You are right, I am judging. Judging whether you are teachable
or not, and in my better judgement, you simply are NOT!
NOT worth my time, or anybody else's either.
bd4u.utah-
Thanks for admitting you are judging.  Now, where did you get the
authority to judge? Also, my original question before all your judging
bullshit was: Is the following true?
Early in his ministry --
during the 1950s -- Rev Moon reportedly spread sexual purity by having
intercourse with female followers[1]. He sees himself and his wives as
humanity's "true parents", has described the Holocaust as partial
payback for Jewish leaders who did not support Christ, and he says
homosexuality is "where all different kinds of dung collect". His
first wife left him after thirteen years of marriage, repulsed by his
strange religious teachings.
Moon's mission seems to involve replacing
democracy, which he calls a "failed system", with a theocracy, with
himself as the head of both church and state.
Isn't that something Amalthea?,
"How wannabe missionaries just don't know when to quit?
I remembering going to a Born Again Christian Church
with my cousins back in '84, and they found out what my
religion was, and their response was, 'You're not saved,
you must join my church, or you'll not be saved!,' yeah,
I thought they were pretty pathetic acting all knowing
and if you're not a member of our church you're DAMNED,T
You are so right.  The LDS missionaries job is to contact nonmembers
and tell them everything they believed all their life is wrong.
That's what conversion is all about.  The missionaries constantly
testify that they "know" that they represent the "only" true church on
earth!
You must have had an oddball experience
with the Mormon missionairies. Beleive me
when I tell you that I have had a few of my own.
My senior companion was a blind man with an excellent memory. We
baptised 8 people.
Post by bd4u.utah
Not everybody is led by the the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) Yet many a Mormon are!
I'm more a believer of the 'Golden Rule' than the 'Holy Ghost'. The
reason I don't accept the Holy Ghost because he is in every religious
denomination, so they claim. Who is right?
Post by bd4u.utah
All I can suggest to you is to Repent, and
recieve the Holy Ghost (Shekhinah, Tao).
I don't what I would repent of.
Post by bd4u.utah
You can not fill a cup that is already full.
That is where repentance comes into play.
It empties your cup that it may be filled again.
Tha\ose that have an ear, let them hear.
bd4u.utah
Post by Colonel Jake
but I read somewhere here that you served a LDS mission
and if so, do you remember what missionaries are
supposed to do when they encounter folks like 'bd4u?,'
that's right! they're supposed to walk away from them
and dust off their shoes...well my shoes have already
been dusted off, question is? have you dusted yours
off yet?!?!?!..."-
Yes, I served a mission in the 50's and was told that if we tracted
any blacks not to proselyt them, just hand them a track and walk
away.  At that time the church was practicing discrimination and the
blacks were not allowed to hold the priesthood because they had the
blood of Cain in them!  What a bunch crap!  And you are right, there
was a time when missionaries were to dust of their shoes from the
property of any who would not listen to them.  They do not do that
anymore, in fact, the current missionaries are very polite and
agreeable. They still visit me regularly even though I am inactive.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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Post by bd4u.utah
Post by a***@yahoo.com
Post by bd4u.utah
Post by bd4u.utah
Post by a***@yahoo.com
Post by bd4u.utah
I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me?  Is this
also a teaching of Moon?  This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
Post by bd4u.utah
<snip>  as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English.  But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging.  So, try again, cast some "pearls
before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
You are right, I am judging. Judging whether you are teachable
or not, and in my better judgement, you simply are NOT!
NOT worth my time, or anybody else's either.
bd4u.utah-
Thanks for admitting you are judging.  Now, where did you get the
authority to judge? Also, my original question before all your judging
bullshit was: Is the following true?
Early in his ministry --
during the 1950s -- Rev Moon reportedly spread sexual purity by having
intercourse with female followers[1]. He sees himself and his wives as
humanity's "true parents", has described the Holocaust as partial
payback for Jewish leaders who did not support Christ, and he says
homosexuality is "where all different kinds of dung collect". His
first wife left him after thirteen years of marriage, repulsed by his
strange religious teachings.
Moon's mission seems to involve replacing
democracy, which he calls a "failed system", with a theocracy, with
himself as the head of both church and state.
Isn't that something Amalthea?,
"How wannabe missionaries just don't know when to quit?
I remembering going to a Born Again Christian Church
with my cousins back in '84, and they found out what my
religion was, and their response was, 'You're not saved,
you must join my church, or you'll not be saved!,' yeah,
I thought they were pretty pathetic acting all knowing
and if you're not a member of our church you're DAMNED,T
You are so right.  The LDS missionaries job is to contact nonmembers
and tell them everything they believed all their life is wrong.
That's what conversion is all about.  The missionaries constantly
testify that they "know" that they represent the "only" true church on
earth!
Post by Colonel Jake
but I read somewhere here that you served a LDS mission
and if so, do you remember what missionaries are
supposed to do when they encounter folks like 'bd4u?,'
that's right! they're supposed to walk away from them
and dust off their shoes...well my shoes have already
been dusted off, question is? have you dusted yours
off yet?!?!?!..."-
Yes, I served a mission in the 50's and was told that if we tracted
any blacks not to proselyt them, just hand them a track and walk
away.  At that time the church was practicing discrimination and the
blacks were not allowed to hold the priesthood because they had the
blood of Cain in them!  What a bunch crap!  And you are right, there
was a time when missionaries were to dust of their shoes from the
property of any who would not listen to them.  They do not do that
anymore, in fact, the current missionaries are very polite and
agreeable. They still visit me regularly even though I am inactive.
Hehh, what a joke. What hypocrisy. Two Detractors of their own
Religion, deciding whether I am "worthy" or NOT!

What exactly IS, somebody like "bd4u"? What exactly is that
supposed to mean? I'm the one "active" (not you) in the Mormon
Church, and you DARE to criticize ME?!?

I'll tell you what "bd4u" is like!

I Bruce Daniel believe in the ONE God, Father Almighty,
creator of Heaven and Earth. In his son Jesus Christ, the
Prophets, and the Saints. I believe in the Resurrection, life
everlasting, and an Eternal Family, I do not expect everyone
to believe these things, but I think you could consider the
possibilities if you wanted to.

We are ALL the children of God, and I believe it's time
we acted like it. Instead of all this petty Jealousy and infighting.

"My God is better than your God" Bull, it's the same God. So
why are there so many Religions with the same beliefs, just
worded differently?

At this rate NO Messiah will come, because you each would
kill him out of Jealousy, trying OWN him, or Possess him over
the other Church's which will simply NEVER be!

The Messiah comes for ALL People, Nations, and Tongues.
Not just the Jews, or the Christians, or the Mormons, or
the Unificationists. Ya'll better get it straight, because God will
simply wait until you do!

;-)

Bruce Daniel
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I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me?  Is this
also a teaching of Moon?  This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
Post by bd4u.utah
<snip>  as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English.  But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging.  So, try again, cast some "pearls
before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
You are right, I am judging. Judging whether you are teachable
or not, and in my better judgement, you simply are NOT!
NOT worth my time, or anybody else's either.
bd4u.utah-
Thanks for admitting you are judging.  Now, where did you get the
authority to judge? Also, my original question before all your judging
bullshit was: Is the following true?
Early in his ministry --
during the 1950s -- Rev Moon reportedly spread sexual purity by having
intercourse with female followers[1]. He sees himself and his wives as
humanity's "true parents", has described the Holocaust as partial
payback for Jewish leaders who did not support Christ, and he says
homosexuality is "where all different kinds of dung collect". His
first wife left him after thirteen years of marriage, repulsed by his
strange religious teachings.
Moon's mission seems to involve replacing
democracy, which he calls a "failed system", with a theocracy, with
himself as the head of both church and state.
Isn't that something Amalthea?,
"How wannabe missionaries just don't know when to quit?
I remembering going to a Born Again Christian Church
with my cousins back in '84, and they found out what my
religion was, and their response was, 'You're not saved,
you must join my church, or you'll not be saved!,' yeah,
I thought they were pretty pathetic acting all knowing
and if you're not a member of our church you're DAMNED,T
You are so right.  The LDS missionaries job is to contact nonmembers
and tell them everything they believed all their life is wrong.
That's what conversion is all about.  The missionaries constantly
testify that they "know" that they represent the "only" true church on
earth!
Post by Colonel Jake
but I read somewhere here that you served a LDS mission
and if so, do you remember what missionaries are
supposed to do when they encounter folks like 'bd4u?,'
that's right! they're supposed to walk away from them
and dust off their shoes...well my shoes have already
been dusted off, question is? have you dusted yours
off yet?!?!?!..."-
Yes, I served a mission in the 50's and was told that if we tracted
any blacks not to proselyt them, just hand them a track and walk
away.  At that time the church was practicing discrimination and the
blacks were not allowed to hold the priesthood because they had the
blood of Cain in them!  What a bunch crap!  And you are right, there
was a time when missionaries were to dust of their shoes from the
property of any who would not listen to them.  They do not do that
anymore, in fact, the current missionaries are very polite and
agreeable. They still visit me regularly even though I am inactive.
Hehh, what a joke. What hypocrisy. Two Detractors of their own
Religion, deciding whether I am "worthy" or NOT!
What exactly IS, somebody like "bd4u"? What exactly is that
supposed to mean? I'm the one "active" (not you) in the Mormon
Church, and you DARE to criticize ME?!?
I'll tell you what "bd4u" is like!
I Bruce Daniel believe in the ONE God, Father Almighty,
creator of Heaven and Earth. In his son Jesus Christ, the
Prophets, and the Saints. I believe in the Resurrection, life
everlasting, and an Eternal Family, I do not expect everyone
to believe these things, but I think you could consider the
possibilities if you wanted to.
We are ALL the children of God, and I believe it's time
we acted like it. Instead of all this petty Jealousy and infighting.
"My God is better than your God" Bull, it's the same God. So
why are there so many Religions with the same beliefs, just
worded differently?
At this rate NO Messiah will come, because you each would
kill him out of Jealousy, trying OWN him, or Possess him over
the other Church's which will simply NEVER be!
The Messiah comes for ALL People, Nations, and Tongues.
Not just the Jews, or the Christians, or the Mormons, or
the Unificationists. Ya'll better get it straight, because God will
simply wait until you do!
;-)
Bruce Daniel
If ya'll can't receive me, the least in God's Kingdom, then
how on Earth do you expect to receive the Messiah when
he comes?!?

bd4u.utah
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I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me?  Is this
also a teaching of Moon?  This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
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<snip>  as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English.  But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging.  So, try again, cast some "pearls
before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
You are right, I am judging. Judging whether you are teachable
or not, and in my better judgement, you simply are NOT!
NOT worth my time, or anybody else's either.
bd4u.utah-
Thanks for admitting you are judging.  Now, where did you get the
authority to judge? Also, my original question before all your judging
bullshit was: Is the following true?
Early in his ministry --
during the 1950s -- Rev Moon reportedly spread sexual purity by having
intercourse with female followers[1]. He sees himself and his wives as
humanity's "true parents", has described the Holocaust as partial
payback for Jewish leaders who did not support Christ, and he says
homosexuality is "where all different kinds of dung collect". His
first wife left him after thirteen years of marriage, repulsed by his
strange religious teachings.
Moon's mission seems to involve replacing
democracy, which he calls a "failed system", with a theocracy, with
himself as the head of both church and state.
Isn't that something Amalthea?,
"How wannabe missionaries just don't know when to quit?
I remembering going to a Born Again Christian Church
with my cousins back in '84, and they found out what my
religion was, and their response was, 'You're not saved,
you must join my church, or you'll not be saved!,' yeah,
I thought they were pretty pathetic acting all knowing
and if you're not a member of our church you're DAMNED,T
You are so right.  The LDS missionaries job is to contact nonmembers
and tell them everything they believed all their life is wrong.
That's what conversion is all about.  The missionaries constantly
testify that they "know" that they represent the "only" true church on
earth!
Post by Colonel Jake
but I read somewhere here that you served a LDS mission
and if so, do you remember what missionaries are
supposed to do when they encounter folks like 'bd4u?,'
that's right! they're supposed to walk away from them
and dust off their shoes...well my shoes have already
been dusted off, question is? have you dusted yours
off yet?!?!?!..."-
Yes, I served a mission in the 50's and was told that if we tracted
any blacks not to proselyt them, just hand them a track and walk
away.  At that time the church was practicing discrimination and the
blacks were not allowed to hold the priesthood because they had the
blood of Cain in them!  What a bunch crap!  And you are right, there
was a time when missionaries were to dust of their shoes from the
property of any who would not listen to them.  They do not do that
anymore, in fact, the current missionaries are very polite and
agreeable. They still visit me regularly even though I am inactive.
Hehh, what a joke. What hypocrisy. Two Detractors of their own
Religion, deciding whether I am "worthy" or NOT!
What exactly IS, somebody like "bd4u"? What exactly is that
supposed to mean? I'm the one "active" (not you) in the Mormon
Church, and you DARE to criticize ME?!?
I'll tell you what "bd4u" is like!
I Bruce Daniel believe in the ONE God, Father Almighty,
creator of Heaven and Earth. In his son Jesus Christ, the
Prophets, and the Saints. I believe in the Resurrection, life
everlasting, and an Eternal Family, I do not expect everyone
to believe these things, but I think you could consider the
possibilities if you wanted to.
We are ALL the children of God, and I believe it's time
we acted like it. Instead of all this petty Jealousy and infighting.
"My God is better than your God" Bull, it's the same God. So
why are there so many Religions with the same beliefs, just
worded differently?
At this rate NO Messiah will come, because you each would
kill him out of Jealousy, trying OWN him, or Possess him over
the other Church's which will simply NEVER be!
The Messiah comes for ALL People, Nations, and Tongues.
Not just the Jews, or the Christians, or the Mormons, or
the Unificationists. Ya'll better get it straight, because God will
simply wait until you do!
;-)
Bruce Daniel
If ya'll can't receive me, the least in God's Kingdom, then
how on Earth do you expect to receive the Messiah when
he comes?!?
bd4u.utah-
I don't expect to receive the Messiah because I don't believe He will
come. All the proof you have is old legends. 5,000 years from now
people will be standing around waiting for the Messiah.
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2011-10-03 04:13:52 UTC
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If ya'll can't receive me, the least in God's Kingdom, then
how on Earth do you expect to receive the Messiah when
he comes?!?
bd4u.utah
I don't expect to receive the Messiah because I don't believe He will
come.  All the proof you have is old legends.  5,000 years from now
people will be standing around waiting for the Messiah.
They are not just old "legends". They are old, but they are NOT
legends. It's Jewish Mysticism, and the order of the Universe
according to the Kaballah. Macroprosopus, and Microprosopus,
along with the lesser, and greater hierarchy of Heaven. Four
Books giving details of "Jacobs Ladder", also called the
"Stairway to Heaven". It's templates are a virtual map to the
universe. Also called "The Tree of Life".

I'm not just some country bumpkin, I have researched it
quite thoroughly, much more so than most people.

bd4u.utah
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2011-10-03 16:43:29 UTC
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If ya'll can't receive me, the least in God's Kingdom, then
how on Earth do you expect to receive the Messiah when
he comes?!?
bd4u.utah
I don't expect to receive the Messiah because I don't believe He will
come.  All the proof you have is old legends.  5,000 years from now
people will be standing around waiting for the Messiah.
They are not just old "legends". They are old, but they are NOT
legends. It's Jewish Mysticism, and the order of the Universe
according to the Kaballah. Macroprosopus, and Microprosopus,
along with the lesser, and greater hierarchy of Heaven. Four
Books giving details of "Jacobs Ladder", also called the
"Stairway to Heaven". It's templates are a virtual map to the
universe. Also called "The Tree of Life".
I'm not just some country bumpkin, I have researched it
quite thoroughly, much more so than most people.
bd4u.utah
Reasearching nonsense still gives you nothing more than nonsense!

bd4u, why would I need Kaballah. Macroprosopus, and Microprosopus, or
God. I'm an affluent person, was CEO of my own company, own homes in
three countries, my kids are educated and affluent, I have my own air
transportation, three cars, a majordomo, cook, housekeeper and
gardener. It is Christians that work for me,...I donate to welfare to
help poor Christians, tell me then, what more could religion or prayer
do for me?
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2011-10-03 21:10:34 UTC
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If ya'll can't receive me, the least in God's Kingdom, then
how on Earth do you expect to receive the Messiah when
he comes?!?
bd4u.utah
I don't expect to receive the Messiah because I don't believe He will
come.  All the proof you have is old legends.  5,000 years from now
people will be standing around waiting for the Messiah.
They are not just old "legends". They are old, but they are NOT
legends. It's Jewish Mysticism, and the order of the Universe
according to the Kaballah. Macroprosopus, and Microprosopus,
along with the lesser, and greater hierarchy of Heaven. Four
Books giving details of "Jacobs Ladder", also called the
"Stairway to Heaven". It's templates are a virtual map to the
universe. Also called "The Tree of Life".
I'm not just some country bumpkin, I have researched it
quite thoroughly, much more so than most people.
bd4u.utah
Reasearching nonsense still gives you nothing more than nonsense!
bd4u, why would I need Kaballah. Macroprosopus, and Microprosopus, or
God.  I'm an affluent person, was CEO of my own company, own homes in
three countries, my kids are educated and affluent, I have my own air
transportation, three cars, a majordomo, cook, housekeeper and
gardener.  It is Christians that work for me,...I donate to welfare to
help poor Christians, tell me then, what more could religion or prayer
do for me?
IF you have all of that and are happy with it,
then why are you here in this newsgroup
wasting your time and mine to begin with?!?

Are you THAT paranoid, and superstitious?

bd4u.utah
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2011-10-03 22:27:12 UTC
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If ya'll can't receive me, the least in God's Kingdom, then
how on Earth do you expect to receive the Messiah when
he comes?!?
bd4u.utah
I don't expect to receive the Messiah because I don't believe He will
come.  All the proof you have is old legends.  5,000 years from now
people will be standing around waiting for the Messiah.
They are not just old "legends". They are old, but they are NOT
legends. It's Jewish Mysticism, and the order of the Universe
according to the Kaballah. Macroprosopus, and Microprosopus,
along with the lesser, and greater hierarchy of Heaven. Four
Books giving details of "Jacobs Ladder", also called the
"Stairway to Heaven". It's templates are a virtual map to the
universe. Also called "The Tree of Life".
I'm not just some country bumpkin, I have researched it
quite thoroughly, much more so than most people.
bd4u.utah
Reasearching nonsense still gives you nothing more than nonsense!
bd4u, why would I need Kaballah. Macroprosopus, and Microprosopus, or
God.  I'm an affluent person, was CEO of my own company, own homes in
three countries, my kids are educated and affluent, I have my own air
transportation, three cars, a majordomo, cook, housekeeper and
gardener.  It is Christians that work for me,...I donate to welfare to
help poor Christians, tell me then, what more could religion or prayer
do for me?
IF you have all of that and are happy with it,
then why are you here in this newsgroup
wasting your time and mine to begin with?!?
Are you THAT paranoid, and superstitious?
bd4u.utah-
I will answer that, but first, if you have God and the Holy Ghost and
are happy with them, then why are you here in this newsgroup, wasting
your time. Are you that paranoid, and superstitious also? I post
here because I am old and it is intertainment, plus a slim amount of
knowledge. Also, I meet people like you, which is rare to meet
outside an institution.
bd4u.utah
2011-10-03 23:55:07 UTC
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If ya'll can't receive me, the least in God's Kingdom, then
how on Earth do you expect to receive the Messiah when
he comes?!?
bd4u.utah
I don't expect to receive the Messiah because I don't believe He will
come.  All the proof you have is old legends.  5,000 years from now
people will be standing around waiting for the Messiah.
They are not just old "legends". They are old, but they are NOT
legends. It's Jewish Mysticism, and the order of the Universe
according to the Kaballah. Macroprosopus, and Microprosopus,
along with the lesser, and greater hierarchy of Heaven. Four
Books giving details of "Jacobs Ladder", also called the
"Stairway to Heaven". It's templates are a virtual map to the
universe. Also called "The Tree of Life".
I'm not just some country bumpkin, I have researched it
quite thoroughly, much more so than most people.
bd4u.utah
Reasearching nonsense still gives you nothing more than nonsense!
bd4u, why would I need Kaballah. Macroprosopus, and Microprosopus, or
God.  I'm an affluent person, was CEO of my own company, own homes in
three countries, my kids are educated and affluent, I have my own air
transportation, three cars, a majordomo, cook, housekeeper and
gardener.  It is Christians that work for me,...I donate to welfare to
help poor Christians, tell me then, what more could religion or prayer
do for me?
IF you have all of that and are happy with it,
then why are you here in this newsgroup
wasting your time and mine to begin with?!?
Are you THAT paranoid, and superstitious?
bd4u.utah-
I will answer that, but first, if you have God and the Holy Ghost and
are happy with them, then why are you here in this newsgroup, wasting
your time.  Are you that paranoid, and superstitious also?  I post
here because I am old and it is intertainment, plus a slim amount of
knowledge.  Also, I meet people like you, which is rare to meet
outside an institution.
So let me get this straight, as a CEO of your own
company you actually have time to waste online?
Are you on that Jet to France yet?

bd4u.utah
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If ya'll can't receive me, the least in God's Kingdom, then
how on Earth do you expect to receive the Messiah when
he comes?!?
bd4u.utah
I don't expect to receive the Messiah because I don't believe He will
come.  All the proof you have is old legends.  5,000 years from now
people will be standing around waiting for the Messiah.
They are not just old "legends". They are old, but they are NOT
legends. It's Jewish Mysticism, and the order of the Universe
according to the Kaballah. Macroprosopus, and Microprosopus,
along with the lesser, and greater hierarchy of Heaven. Four
Books giving details of "Jacobs Ladder", also called the
"Stairway to Heaven". It's templates are a virtual map to the
universe. Also called "The Tree of Life".
I'm not just some country bumpkin, I have researched it
quite thoroughly, much more so than most people.
bd4u.utah
Reasearching nonsense still gives you nothing more than nonsense!
bd4u, why would I need Kaballah. Macroprosopus, and Microprosopus, or
God.  I'm an affluent person, was CEO of my own company, own homes in
three countries, my kids are educated and affluent, I have my own air
transportation, three cars, a majordomo, cook, housekeeper and
gardener.  It is Christians that work for me,...I donate to welfare to
help poor Christians, tell me then, what more could religion or prayer
do for me?
IF you have all of that and are happy with it,
then why are you here in this newsgroup
wasting your time and mine to begin with?!?
Are you THAT paranoid, and superstitious?
bd4u.utah-
I will answer that, but first, if you have God and the Holy Ghost and
are happy with them, then why are you here in this newsgroup, wasting
your time.  Are you that paranoid, and superstitious also?  I post
here because I am old and it is intertainment, plus a slim amount of
knowledge.  Also, I meet people like you, which is rare to meet
outside an institution.
So let me get this straight, as a CEO of your own
company you actually have time to waste online?
Are you on that Jet to France yet?
bd4u.utah-
Your memory is quite poor. I've told you before that I am old and
retired. I'll be in France Wednesday.
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If ya'll can't receive me, the least in God's Kingdom, then
how on Earth do you expect to receive the Messiah when
he comes?!?
bd4u.utah
I don't expect to receive the Messiah because I don't believe He will
come.  All the proof you have is old legends.  5,000 years from now
people will be standing around waiting for the Messiah.
They are not just old "legends". They are old, but they are NOT
legends. It's Jewish Mysticism, and the order of the Universe
according to the Kaballah. Macroprosopus, and Microprosopus,
along with the lesser, and greater hierarchy of Heaven. Four
Books giving details of "Jacobs Ladder", also called the
"Stairway to Heaven". It's templates are a virtual map to the
universe. Also called "The Tree of Life".
I'm not just some country bumpkin, I have researched it
quite thoroughly, much more so than most people.
bd4u.utah
Reasearching nonsense still gives you nothing more than nonsense!
bd4u, why would I need Kaballah. Macroprosopus, and Microprosopus, or
God.  I'm an affluent person, was CEO of my own company, own homes in
three countries, my kids are educated and affluent, I have my own air
transportation, three cars, a majordomo, cook, housekeeper and
gardener.  It is Christians that work for me,...I donate to welfare to
help poor Christians, tell me then, what more could religion or prayer
do for me?
IF you have all of that and are happy with it,
then why are you here in this newsgroup
wasting your time and mine to begin with?!?
Are you THAT paranoid, and superstitious?
bd4u.utah-
I will answer that, but first, if you have God and the Holy Ghost and
are happy with them, then why are you here in this newsgroup, wasting
your time.  Are you that paranoid, and superstitious also?  I post
here because I am old and it is intertainment, plus a slim amount of
knowledge.  Also, I meet people like you, which is rare to meet
outside an institution.
So let me get this straight, as a CEO of your own
company you actually have time to waste online?
Are you on that Jet to France yet?
bd4u.utah-
Your memory is quite poor.  I've told you before that I am old and
retired.  I'll be in France Wednesday.
Enjoy your trip.

bd4u
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I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me?  Is this
also a teaching of Moon?  This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
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<snip>  as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English.  But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging.  So, try again, cast some "pearls
before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
You are right, I am judging. Judging whether you are teachable
or not, and in my better judgement, you simply are NOT!
NOT worth my time, or anybody else's either.
bd4u.utah-
Thanks for admitting you are judging.  Now, where did you get the
authority to judge? Also, my original question before all your judging
bullshit was: Is the following true?
Early in his ministry --
during the 1950s -- Rev Moon reportedly spread sexual purity by having
intercourse with female followers[1]. He sees himself and his wives as
humanity's "true parents", has described the Holocaust as partial
payback for Jewish leaders who did not support Christ, and he says
homosexuality is "where all different kinds of dung collect". His
first wife left him after thirteen years of marriage, repulsed by his
strange religious teachings.
Moon's mission seems to involve replacing
democracy, which he calls a "failed system", with a theocracy, with
himself as the head of both church and state.
Isn't that something Amalthea?,
"How wannabe missionaries just don't know when to quit?
I remembering going to a Born Again Christian Church
with my cousins back in '84, and they found out what my
religion was, and their response was, 'You're not saved,
you must join my church, or you'll not be saved!,' yeah,
I thought they were pretty pathetic acting all knowing
and if you're not a member of our church you're DAMNED,T
You are so right.  The LDS missionaries job is to contact nonmembers
and tell them everything they believed all their life is wrong.
That's what conversion is all about.  The missionaries constantly
testify that they "know" that they represent the "only" true church on
earth!
Post by Colonel Jake
but I read somewhere here that you served a LDS mission
and if so, do you remember what missionaries are
supposed to do when they encounter folks like 'bd4u?,'
that's right! they're supposed to walk away from them
and dust off their shoes...well my shoes have already
been dusted off, question is? have you dusted yours
off yet?!?!?!..."-
Yes, I served a mission in the 50's and was told that if we tracted
any blacks not to proselyt them, just hand them a track and walk
away.  At that time the church was practicing discrimination and the
blacks were not allowed to hold the priesthood because they had the
blood of Cain in them!  What a bunch crap!  And you are right, there
was a time when missionaries were to dust of their shoes from the
property of any who would not listen to them.  They do not do that
anymore, in fact, the current missionaries are very polite and
agreeable. They still visit me regularly even though I am inactive.
Hehh, what a joke. What hypocrisy. Two Detractors of their own
Religion, deciding whether I am "worthy" or NOT!
Call for cite. Where did I decide if you are worthy or not? I've
just been asking questions you can't or won't answer.
Post by bd4u.utah
What exactly IS, somebody like "bd4u"? What exactly is that
supposed to mean? I'm the one "active" (not you) in the Mormon
Church, and you DARE to criticize ME?!?
I'm active because i don't believe,...should I be a hypocrit and
because active anyway? Is that what you do? I don't criticize you I
point what religion has taught using their own literature, ...it
hurts, doesn't i?
Post by bd4u.utah
I'll tell you what "bd4u" is like!
I Bruce Daniel believe in the ONE God, Father Almighty,
creator of Heaven and Earth. In his son Jesus Christ, the
Prophets, and the Saints. I believe in the Resurrection, life
everlasting, and an Eternal Family, I do not expect everyone
to believe these things, but I think you could consider the
possibilities if you wanted to.
Good for you. I've been there and done that. I refuse too be conned
anymore.
Post by bd4u.utah
We are ALL the children of God, and I believe it's time
we acted like it. Instead of all this petty Jealousy and infighting.
No, you believe you are a children of God, I do not believe
such,...and I'm not fighting over it, you are.
Post by bd4u.utah
"My God is better than your God" Bull, it's the same God. So
why are there so many Religions with the same beliefs, just
worded differently?
So, I don't believe in ANY religion, so you can believe in any God you
wish.
Post by bd4u.utah
At this rate NO Messiah will come, because you each would
kill him out of Jealousy, trying OWN him, or Possess him over
the other Church's which will simply NEVER be!
There you go judging again! I'm a very peaceful man and do not
believe in killing anyone.
Post by bd4u.utah
The Messiah comes for ALL People, Nations, and Tongues.
Not just the Jews, or the Christians, or the Mormons, or
the Unificationists. Ya'll better get it straight, because God will
simply wait until you do!
Prove it. This is your belief, not mine. Ya know, Bruce, you don't
sound much like a religious person in you posts.
Post by bd4u.utah
;-)
Bruce Daniel-
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I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me?  Is this
also a teaching of Moon?  This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
Post by bd4u.utah
<snip>  as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English.  But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging.  So, try again, cast some "pearls
before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
You are right, I am judging. Judging whether you are teachable
or not, and in my better judgement, you simply are NOT!
NOT worth my time, or anybody else's either.
bd4u.utah-
Thanks for admitting you are judging.  Now, where did you get the
authority to judge? Also, my original question before all your judging
bullshit was: Is the following true?
Early in his ministry --
during the 1950s -- Rev Moon reportedly spread sexual purity by having
intercourse with female followers[1]. He sees himself and his wives as
humanity's "true parents", has described the Holocaust as partial
payback for Jewish leaders who did not support Christ, and he says
homosexuality is "where all different kinds of dung collect". His
first wife left him after thirteen years of marriage, repulsed by his
strange religious teachings.
Moon's mission seems to involve replacing
democracy, which he calls a "failed system", with a theocracy, with
himself as the head of both church and state.
Isn't that something Amalthea?,
"How wannabe missionaries just don't know when to quit?
I remembering going to a Born Again Christian Church
with my cousins back in '84, and they found out what my
religion was, and their response was, 'You're not saved,
you must join my church, or you'll not be saved!,' yeah,
I thought they were pretty pathetic acting all knowing
and if you're not a member of our church you're DAMNED,T
You are so right.  The LDS missionaries job is to contact nonmembers
and tell them everything they believed all their life is wrong.
That's what conversion is all about.  The missionaries constantly
testify that they "know" that they represent the "only" true church on
earth!
Post by Colonel Jake
but I read somewhere here that you served a LDS mission
and if so, do you remember what missionaries are
supposed to do when they encounter folks like 'bd4u?,'
that's right! they're supposed to walk away from them
and dust off their shoes...well my shoes have already
been dusted off, question is? have you dusted yours
off yet?!?!?!..."-
Yes, I served a mission in the 50's and was told that if we tracted
any blacks not to proselyt them, just hand them a track and walk
away.  At that time the church was practicing discrimination and the
blacks were not allowed to hold the priesthood because they had the
blood of Cain in them!  What a bunch crap!  And you are right, there
was a time when missionaries were to dust of their shoes from the
property of any who would not listen to them.  They do not do that
anymore, in fact, the current missionaries are very polite and
agreeable. They still visit me regularly even though I am inactive.
Hehh, what a joke. What hypocrisy. Two Detractors of their own
Religion, deciding whether I am "worthy" or NOT!
Call for cite.  Where did I decide if you are worthy or not?  I've
just been asking questions you can't or won't answer.
Post by bd4u.utah
What exactly IS, somebody like "bd4u"? What exactly is that
supposed to mean? I'm the one "active" (not you) in the Mormon
Church, and you DARE to criticize ME?!?
I'm active because i don't believe,...should I be a hypocrit and
because active anyway?  Is that what you do?  I don't criticize you I
point what religion has taught using their own literature, ...it
hurts, doesn't i?
Post by bd4u.utah
I'll tell you what "bd4u" is like!
I Bruce Daniel believe in the ONE God, Father Almighty,
creator of Heaven and Earth. In his son Jesus Christ, the
Prophets, and the Saints. I believe in the Resurrection, life
everlasting, and an Eternal Family, I do not expect everyone
to believe these things, but I think you could consider the
possibilities if you wanted to.
Good for you.  I've been there and done that.  I refuse too be conned
anymore.
Post by bd4u.utah
We are ALL the children of God, and I believe it's time
we acted like it. Instead of all this petty Jealousy and infighting.
No, you believe you are a children of God, I do not believe
such,...and I'm not fighting over it, you are.
Post by bd4u.utah
"My God is better than your God" Bull, it's the same God. So
why are there so many Religions with the same beliefs, just
worded differently?
So, I don't believe in ANY religion, so you can believe in any God you
wish.
Post by bd4u.utah
At this rate NO Messiah will come, because you each would
kill him out of Jealousy, trying OWN him, or Possess him over
the other Church's which will simply NEVER be!
There you go judging again!  I'm a very peaceful man and do not
believe in killing anyone.
Post by bd4u.utah
The Messiah comes for ALL People, Nations, and Tongues.
Not just the Jews, or the Christians, or the Mormons, or
the Unificationists. Ya'll better get it straight, because God will
simply wait until you do!
Prove it.  This is
...
read more »
You want me to simply hand you a lifetime of religious studies
on a silver platter. Sorry it ain't gonna happen, it doesn't work
that way. Don't be so stupid, go do your own homework.
NOTHING is free in life, especially the Kingdom of Heaven.
You want I FREE RIDE? Sorry but it doesn't exist except in
fairy tales.

bd4u.utah
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I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me?  Is this
also a teaching of Moon?  This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
Post by bd4u.utah
<snip>  as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English.  But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging.  So, try again, cast some "pearls
before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
You are right, I am judging. Judging whether you are teachable
or not, and in my better judgement, you simply are NOT!
NOT worth my time, or anybody else's either.
bd4u.utah-
Thanks for admitting you are judging.  Now, where did you get the
authority to judge? Also, my original question before all your judging
bullshit was: Is the following true?
Early in his ministry --
during the 1950s -- Rev Moon reportedly spread sexual purity by having
intercourse with female followers[1]. He sees himself and his wives as
humanity's "true parents", has described the Holocaust as partial
payback for Jewish leaders who did not support Christ, and he says
homosexuality is "where all different kinds of dung collect". His
first wife left him after thirteen years of marriage, repulsed by his
strange religious teachings.
Moon's mission seems to involve replacing
democracy, which he calls a "failed system", with a theocracy, with
himself as the head of both church and state.
Isn't that something Amalthea?,
"How wannabe missionaries just don't know when to quit?
I remembering going to a Born Again Christian Church
with my cousins back in '84, and they found out what my
religion was, and their response was, 'You're not saved,
you must join my church, or you'll not be saved!,' yeah,
I thought they were pretty pathetic acting all knowing
and if you're not a member of our church you're DAMNED,T
You are so right.  The LDS missionaries job is to contact nonmembers
and tell them everything they believed all their life is wrong.
That's what conversion is all about.  The missionaries constantly
testify that they "know" that they represent the "only" true church on
earth!
Post by Colonel Jake
but I read somewhere here that you served a LDS mission
and if so, do you remember what missionaries are
supposed to do when they encounter folks like 'bd4u?,'
that's right! they're supposed to walk away from them
and dust off their shoes...well my shoes have already
been dusted off, question is? have you dusted yours
off yet?!?!?!..."-
Yes, I served a mission in the 50's and was told that if we tracted
any blacks not to proselyt them, just hand them a track and walk
away.  At that time the church was practicing discrimination and the
blacks were not allowed to hold the priesthood because they had the
blood of Cain in them!  What a bunch crap!  And you are right, there
was a time when missionaries were to dust of their shoes from the
property of any who would not listen to them.  They do not do that
anymore, in fact, the current missionaries are very polite and
agreeable. They still visit me regularly even though I am inactive.
Hehh, what a joke. What hypocrisy. Two Detractors of their own
Religion, deciding whether I am "worthy" or NOT!
Call for cite.  Where did I decide if you are worthy or not?  I've
just been asking questions you can't or won't answer.
Post by bd4u.utah
What exactly IS, somebody like "bd4u"? What exactly is that
supposed to mean? I'm the one "active" (not you) in the Mormon
Church, and you DARE to criticize ME?!?
I'm active because i don't believe,...should I be a hypocrit and
because active anyway?  Is that what you do?  I don't criticize you I
point what religion has taught using their own literature, ...it
hurts, doesn't i?
Post by bd4u.utah
I'll tell you what "bd4u" is like!
I Bruce Daniel believe in the ONE God, Father Almighty,
creator of Heaven and Earth. In his son Jesus Christ, the
Prophets, and the Saints. I believe in the Resurrection, life
everlasting, and an Eternal Family, I do not expect everyone
to believe these things, but I think you could consider the
possibilities if you wanted to.
Good for you.  I've been there and done that.  I refuse too be conned
anymore.
Post by bd4u.utah
We are ALL the children of God, and I believe it's time
we acted like it. Instead of all this petty Jealousy and infighting.
No, you believe you are a children of God, I do not believe
such,...and I'm not fighting over it, you are.
Post by bd4u.utah
"My God is better than your God" Bull, it's the same God. So
why are there so many Religions with the same beliefs, just
worded differently?
So, I don't believe in ANY religion, so you can believe in any God you
wish.
Post by bd4u.utah
At this rate NO Messiah will come, because you each would
kill him out of Jealousy, trying OWN him, or Possess him over
the other Church's which will simply NEVER be!
There you go judging again!  I'm a very peaceful man and do not
believe in killing anyone.
Post by bd4u.utah
The Messiah comes for ALL People, Nations, and Tongues.
Not just the Jews, or the Christians, or the Mormons, or
the Unificationists. Ya'll better get it straight, because God will
simply wait until you do!
Prove it.  This is
...
read more »
You want me to simply hand you a lifetime of religious studies
on a silver platter. Sorry it ain't gonna happen, it doesn't work
that way. Don't be so stupid, go do your own homework.
NOTHING is free in life, especially the Kingdom of Heaven.
You want I FREE RIDE? Sorry but it doesn't exist except in
fairy tales.
bd4u.utah
The furtherest thing from my desire is your religious studies ! I was
just curious why anyone would believe unproven legends. I have
already done my homework, 60 years of it as a hobby. Free
ride,????? Read my previous post. Do you also believe in Gullivers
Travels and Alice in
Wonderland? They are in books too.
bd4u.utah
2011-10-03 21:04:35 UTC
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I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me?  Is this
also a teaching of Moon?  This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
Post by bd4u.utah
<snip>  as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English.  But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging.  So, try again, cast some "pearls
before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
You are right, I am judging. Judging whether you are teachable
or not, and in my better judgement, you simply are NOT!
NOT worth my time, or anybody else's either.
bd4u.utah-
Thanks for admitting you are judging.  Now, where did you get the
authority to judge? Also, my original question before all your judging
bullshit was: Is the following true?
Early in his ministry --
during the 1950s -- Rev Moon reportedly spread sexual purity by
having
intercourse with female followers[1]. He sees himself and his wives
as
humanity's "true parents", has described the Holocaust as partial
payback for Jewish leaders who did not support Christ, and he says
homosexuality is "where all different kinds of dung collect". His
first wife left him after thirteen years of marriage, repulsed by his
strange religious teachings.
Moon's mission seems to involve replacing
democracy, which he calls a "failed system", with a theocracy, with
himself as the head of both church and state.
Isn't that something Amalthea?,
"How wannabe missionaries just don't know when to quit?
I remembering going to a Born Again Christian Church
with my cousins back in '84, and they found out what my
religion was, and their response was, 'You're not saved,
you must join my church, or you'll not be saved!,' yeah,
I thought they were pretty pathetic acting all knowing
and if you're not a member of our church you're DAMNED,T
You are so right.  The LDS missionaries job is to contact nonmembers
and tell them everything they believed all their life is wrong.
That's what conversion is all about.  The missionaries constantly
testify that they "know" that they represent the "only" true church on
earth!
Post by Colonel Jake
but I read somewhere here that you served a LDS mission
and if so, do you remember what missionaries are
supposed to do when they encounter folks like 'bd4u?,'
that's right! they're supposed to walk away from them
and dust off their shoes...well my shoes have already
been dusted off, question is? have you dusted yours
off yet?!?!?!..."-
Yes, I served a mission in the 50's and was told that if we tracted
any blacks not to proselyt them, just hand them a track and walk
away.  At that time the church was practicing discrimination and the
blacks were not allowed to hold the priesthood because they had the
blood of Cain in them!  What a bunch crap!  And you are right, there
was a time when missionaries were to dust of their shoes from the
property of any who would not listen to them.  They do not do that
anymore, in fact, the current missionaries are very polite and
agreeable. They still visit me regularly even though I am inactive.
Hehh, what a joke. What hypocrisy. Two Detractors of their own
Religion, deciding whether I am "worthy" or NOT!
Call for cite.  Where did I decide if you are worthy or not?  I've
just been asking questions you can't or won't answer.
Post by bd4u.utah
What exactly IS, somebody like "bd4u"? What exactly is that
supposed to mean? I'm the one "active" (not you) in the Mormon
Church, and you DARE to criticize ME?!?
I'm active because i don't believe,...should I be a hypocrit and
because active anyway?  Is that what you do?  I don't criticize you I
point what religion has taught using their own literature, ...it
hurts, doesn't i?
Post by bd4u.utah
I'll tell you what "bd4u" is like!
I Bruce Daniel believe in the ONE God, Father Almighty,
creator of Heaven and Earth. In his son Jesus Christ, the
Prophets, and the Saints. I believe in the Resurrection, life
everlasting, and an Eternal Family, I do not expect everyone
to believe these things, but I think you could consider the
possibilities if you wanted to.
Good for you.  I've been there and done that.  I refuse too be conned
anymore.
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We are ALL the children of God, and I believe it's time
we acted like it. Instead of all this petty Jealousy and infighting.
No, you believe you are a children of God, I do not believe
such,...and I'm not fighting over it, you are.
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"My God is better than your God" Bull, it's the same God. So
why are there so many Religions with the same beliefs, just
worded differently?
So, I don't believe in ANY religion, so you can believe in any God you
wish.
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At this rate NO Messiah will come, because you each would
kill him out of Jealousy, trying OWN him, or Possess him over
the other Church's which will simply NEVER be!
There you go judging again!  I'm a very peaceful man and do not
believe in killing anyone.
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The Messiah comes for ALL People, Nations, and Tongues.
Not just the Jews, or the Christians, or the Mormons, or
the Unificationists. Ya'll better get it straight, because God will
simply wait until you do!
Prove it.  This is
...
read more »
You want me to simply hand you a lifetime of religious studies
on a silver platter. Sorry it ain't gonna happen, it doesn't work
that way. Don't be so stupid, go do your own homework.
NOTHING is free in life, especially the Kingdom of Heaven.
You want I FREE RIDE? Sorry but it doesn't exist except in
fairy tales.
bd4u.utah
The furtherest thing from my desire is your religious studies ! I was
just curious why anyone would believe unproven legends.  I have
already done my homework, 60 years of it as a hobby.   Free
ride,?????  Read my previous post.  Do you also believe in Gullivers
Travels and Alice in
Wonderland?  They are in books too.
If the Holy Ghost (Shehkinah, Tao) doesn't affirm it,
why would I believe it?

See, that's the difference in rock solid faith, and
trusting in your own feeble mind. The Holy Ghost
(Shehkinah, Tao). That is why you never made it
as a Mormon and quit. Cause you never had the
Holy Ghost experience. Yet many a Mormon
did, and does. There is a reason why the
Holy Ghost (Shehkinah, Tao) led me to SLC,
and the Mormons are it! (among other things)

bd4u.utah
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You want me to simply hand you a lifetime of religious studies
on a silver platter. Sorry it ain't gonna happen, it doesn't work
that way. Don't be so stupid, go do your own homework.
NOTHING is free in life, especially the Kingdom of Heaven.
You want I FREE RIDE? Sorry but it doesn't exist except in
fairy tales.
bd4u.utah
The furtherest thing from my desire is your religious studies ! I was
just curious why anyone would believe unproven legends.  I have
already done my homework, 60 years of it as a hobby.   Free
ride,?????  Read my previous post.  Do you also believe in Gullivers
Travels and Alice in
Wonderland?  They are in books too.
If the Holy Ghost (Shehkinah, Tao) doesn't affirm it,
why would I believe it?
See, that's the difference in rock solid faith, and
trusting in your own feeble mind. The Holy Ghost
(Shehkinah, Tao). That is why you never made it
as a Mormon and quit. Cause you never had the
Holy Ghost experience. Yet many a Mormon
did, and does. There is a reason why the
Holy Ghost (Shehkinah, Tao) led me to SLC,
and the Mormons are it! (among other things)
bd4u.utah
You are right, I never had the Holy Ghost, ...I never believed in
spooks. I know many Mormons claim to have had the Holy Ghost, so do
the Seventh Day Adventist across the street from the Mormon church.
So does the Catholic church a block down the street, so does the
Lutheran church at the other end of town, and the Baptist church in
the center of town,...and they all teach a different message. So do
you. What a bunch of nonsense!
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sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
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the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
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politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
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poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake.=
If you think
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should. It is poison to humanity." =A0 Also: "The head =
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rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
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at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love or=
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'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for m=
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<snip> =A0as useless
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what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging. =A0So, try again, cast some =
"pearls
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before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
You are right, I am judging. Judging whether you are teachable
or not, and in my better judgement, you simply are NOT!
NOT worth my time, or anybody else's either.
bd4u.utah-
Thanks for admitting you are judging. =A0Now, where did you get=
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authority to judge? Also, my original question before all your =
judging
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bullshit was: Is the following true?
Early in his ministry --
during the 1950s -- Rev Moon reportedly spread sexual purity by
having
intercourse with female followers[1]. He sees himself and his w=
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payback for Jewish leaders who did not support Christ, and he s=
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homosexuality is "where all different kinds of dung collect". H=
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first wife left him after thirteen years of marriage, repulsed =
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strange religious teachings.
Moon's mission seems to involve replacing
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with
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himself as the head of both church and state.
Isn't that something Amalthea?,
"How wannabe missionaries just don't know when to quit?
I remembering going to a Born Again Christian Church
with my cousins back in '84, and they found out what my
religion was, and their response was, 'You're not saved,
you must join my church, or you'll not be saved!,' yeah,
I thought they were pretty pathetic acting all knowing
and if you're not a member of our church you're DAMNED,T
You are so right. =A0The LDS missionaries job is to contact nonmemb=
ers
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and tell them everything they believed all their life is wrong.
That's what conversion is all about. =A0The missionaries constantly
testify that they "know" that they represent the "only" true church=
on
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earth!
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but I read somewhere here that you served a LDS mission
and if so, do you remember what missionaries are
supposed to do when they encounter folks like 'bd4u?,'
that's right! they're supposed to walk away from them
and dust off their shoes...well my shoes have already
been dusted off, question is? have you dusted yours
off yet?!?!?!..."-
Yes, I served a mission in the 50's and was told that if we tracted
any blacks not to proselyt them, just hand them a track and walk
away. =A0At that time the church was practicing discrimination and =
the
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blacks were not allowed to hold the priesthood because they had the
blood of Cain in them! =A0What a bunch crap! =A0And you are right, =
there
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was a time when missionaries were to dust of their shoes from the
property of any who would not listen to them. =A0They do not do tha=
t
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anymore, in fact, the current missionaries are very polite and
agreeable. They still visit me regularly even though I am inactive.
Hehh, what a joke. What hypocrisy. Two Detractors of their own
Religion, deciding whether I am "worthy" or NOT!
Call for cite. =A0Where did I decide if you are worthy or not? =A0I've
just been asking questions you can't or won't answer.
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What exactly IS, somebody like "bd4u"? What exactly is that
supposed to mean? I'm the one "active" (not you) in the Mormon
Church, and you DARE to criticize ME?!?
I'm active because i don't believe,...should I be a hypocrit and
because active anyway? =A0Is that what you do? =A0I don't criticize you=
I
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point what religion has taught using their own literature, ...it
hurts, doesn't i?
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I'll tell you what "bd4u" is like!
I Bruce Daniel believe in the ONE God, Father Almighty,
creator of Heaven and Earth. In his son Jesus Christ, the
Prophets, and the Saints. I believe in the Resurrection, life
everlasting, and an Eternal Family, I do not expect everyone
to believe these things, but I think you could consider the
possibilities if you wanted to.
Good for you. =A0I've been there and done that. =A0I refuse too be conn=
ed
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anymore.
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We are ALL the children of God, and I believe it's time
we acted like it. Instead of all this petty Jealousy and infighting.
No, you believe you are a children of God, I do not believe
such,...and I'm not fighting over it, you are.
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"My God is better than your God" Bull, it's the same God. So
why are there so many Religions with the same beliefs, just
worded differently?
So, I don't believe in ANY religion, so you can believe in any God you
wish.
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At this rate NO Messiah will come, because you each would
kill him out of Jealousy, trying OWN him, or Possess him over
the other Church's which will simply NEVER be!
There you go judging again! =A0I'm a very peaceful man and do not
believe in killing anyone.
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The Messiah comes for ALL People, Nations, and Tongues.
Not just the Jews, or the Christians, or the Mormons, or
the Unificationists. Ya'll better get it straight, because God will
simply wait until you do!
Prove it. =A0This is
...
read more =BB
You want me to simply hand you a lifetime of religious studies
on a silver platter. Sorry it ain't gonna happen, it doesn't work
that way. Don't be so stupid, go do your own homework.
NOTHING is free in life, especially the Kingdom of Heaven.
You want I FREE RIDE? Sorry but it doesn't exist except in
fairy tales.
bd4u.utah
The furtherest thing from my desire is your religious studies ! I was
just curious why anyone would believe unproven legends. I have
already done my homework, 60 years of it as a hobby. Free
ride,????? Read my previous post. Do you also believe in Gullivers
Travels and Alice in
Wonderland? They are in books too.
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I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled, EXAMINE THE
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at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
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Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did.. ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean. But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex. I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity." Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right? Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me? Is this
also a teaching of Moon? This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
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<snip> as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English. But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging. So, try again, cast some "pearls
before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
You are right, I am judging. Judging whether you are teachable
or not, and in my better judgement, you simply are NOT!
NOT worth my time, or anybody else's either.
bd4u.utah-
Thanks for admitting you are judging. Now, where did you get the
authority to judge? Also, my original question before all your judging
bullshit was: Is the following true?
Early in his ministry --
during the 1950s -- Rev Moon reportedly spread sexual purity by having
intercourse with female followers[1]. He sees himself and his wives as
humanity's "true parents", has described the Holocaust as partial
payback for Jewish leaders who did not support Christ, and he says
homosexuality is "where all different kinds of dung collect". His
first wife left him after thirteen years of marriage, repulsed by his
strange religious teachings.
Moon's mission seems to involve replacing
democracy, which he calls a "failed system", with a theocracy, with
himself as the head of both church and state.
Isn't that something Amalthea?,
"How wannabe missionaries just don't know when to quit?
I remembering going to a Born Again Christian Church
with my cousins back in '84, and they found out what my
religion was, and their response was, 'You're not saved,
you must join my church, or you'll not be saved!,' yeah,
I thought they were pretty pathetic acting all knowing
and if you're not a member of our church you're DAMNED,T
You are so right. The LDS missionaries job is to contact nonmembers
and tell them everything they believed all their life is wrong.
That's what conversion is all about. The missionaries constantly
testify that they "know" that they represent the "only" true church on
earth!
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but I read somewhere here that you served a LDS mission
and if so, do you remember what missionaries are
supposed to do when they encounter folks like 'bd4u?,'
that's right! they're supposed to walk away from them
and dust off their shoes...well my shoes have already
been dusted off, question is? have you dusted yours
off yet?!?!?!..."-
Yes, I served a mission in the 50's and was told that if we tracted
any blacks not to proselyt them, just hand them a track and walk
away. At that time the church was practicing discrimination and the
blacks were not allowed to hold the priesthood because they had the
blood of Cain in them! What a bunch crap! And you are right, there
was a time when missionaries were to dust of their shoes from the
property of any who would not listen to them. They do not do that
anymore, in fact, the current missionaries are very polite and
agreeable. They still visit me regularly even though I am inactive.
Hehh, what a joke. What hypocrisy. Two Detractors of their own
Religion, deciding whether I am "worthy" or NOT!
Call for cite. Where did I decide if you are worthy or not? I've
just been asking questions you can't or won't answer.
Post by bd4u.utah
What exactly IS, somebody like "bd4u"? What exactly is that
supposed to mean? I'm the one "active" (not you) in the Mormon
Church, and you DARE to criticize ME?!?
I'm active because i don't believe,...should I be a hypocrit and
because active anyway? Is that what you do? I don't criticize you I
point what religion has taught using their own literature, ...it
hurts, doesn't i?
Post by bd4u.utah
I'll tell you what "bd4u" is like!
I Bruce Daniel believe in the ONE God, Father Almighty,
creator of Heaven and Earth. In his son Jesus Christ, the
Prophets, and the Saints. I believe in the Resurrection, life
everlasting, and an Eternal Family, I do not expect everyone
to believe these things, but I think you could consider the
possibilities if you wanted to.
Good for you. I've been there and done that. I refuse too be conned
anymore.
Post by bd4u.utah
We are ALL the children of God, and I believe it's time
we acted like it. Instead of all this petty Jealousy and infighting.
No, you believe you are a children of God, I do not believe
such,...and I'm not fighting over it, you are.
Post by bd4u.utah
"My God is better than your God" Bull, it's the same God. So
why are there so many Religions with the same beliefs, just
worded differently?
So, I don't believe in ANY religion, so you can believe in any God you
wish.
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At this rate NO Messiah will come, because you each would
kill him out of Jealousy, trying OWN him, or Possess him over
the other Church's which will simply NEVER be!
There you go judging again! I'm a very peaceful man and do not
believe in killing anyone.
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The Messiah comes for ALL People, Nations, and Tongues.
Not just the Jews, or the Christians, or the Mormons, or
the Unificationists. Ya'll better get it straight, because God will
simply wait until you do!
Prove it. This is your belief, not mine. Ya know, Bruce, you don't
sound much like a religious person in you posts.
Ahem to that Amalthea!,
"Now that bd4u (Bruce Daniel) has admitted to being fully
active in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints?
I really wonder how his Stake President/Bishop/Ward
Congregation/Families he Home Teaches would take it if
they all knew that he's apostatizing the LDS faith and is
now preaching the faith of Sun Myung Moon?!?!?!..."

*definitely a disfellowship or even an excommunication*
(worse scenario is a Divorce with no child custodies)

<goodbye house, goodbye wife, goodbye children, goodbye life>
(all in the name of Sun Myung Moon)
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;-)
Bruce Daniel-<SLAP>
bd4u.utah
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I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
at,http://wh.gov/4Os
I also encourage you to make the link known to every person you have
the ability to reach in person or electronically and that you urge
them to also sign.
Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did..  ..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
bd4u.utah-
Yes, I know what you mean.  But you do realize that Moon is a
politician and will tell people what they want to hear.
Moon is preoccupied with sex.  I refer to his comments: "The Bible
refers to the origin of free sex by using the image of a snake.
Woman's sexual organ is like the open mouth of a snake filled with
poison. Man's sexual organ is like the head of a snake. If you think
of fallen love action in these terms you feel disgusted and so you
should. It is poison to humanity."   Also: "The head of the love organ
is shaped exactly like a poisonous rattlesnake. And just like a
rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
Beautiful godly comments here, right?  Wouldn't you love to have him
at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ', or
'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me?  Is this
also a teaching of Moon?  This is really not a good way to carry on an
intelligent discussion, do you think?
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<snip>    as useless
bd4u.utah-
I've somewhat delved into other languages, but am not proficient in
any of them except maybe English.  But I'd rather hear what you claim
what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging.  So, try again, cast some "pearls
before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
You are right, I am judging. Judging whether you are teachable
or not, and in my better judgement, you simply are NOT!
NOT worth my time, or anybody else's either.
bd4u.utah-
Thanks for admitting you are judging.  Now, where did you get the
authority to judge? Also, my original question before all your judging
bullshit was: Is the following true?
Early in his ministry --
during the 1950s -- Rev Moon reportedly spread sexual purity by having
intercourse with female followers[1]. He sees himself and his wives as
humanity's "true parents", has described the Holocaust as partial
payback for Jewish leaders who did not support Christ, and he says
homosexuality is "where all different kinds of dung collect". His
first wife left him after thirteen years of marriage, repulsed by his
strange religious teachings.
Moon's mission seems to involve replacing
democracy, which he calls a "failed system", with a theocracy, with
himself as the head of both church and state.
Isn't that something Amalthea?,
"How wannabe missionaries just don't know when to quit?
I remembering going to a Born Again Christian Church
with my cousins back in '84, and they found out what my
religion was, and their response was, 'You're not saved,
you must join my church, or you'll not be saved!,' yeah,
I thought they were pretty pathetic acting all knowing
and if you're not a member of our church you're DAMNED,T
You are so right.  The LDS missionaries job is to contact nonmembers
and tell them everything they believed all their life is wrong.
That's what conversion is all about.  The missionaries constantly
testify that they "know" that they represent the "only" true church on
earth!
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but I read somewhere here that you served a LDS mission
and if so, do you remember what missionaries are
supposed to do when they encounter folks like 'bd4u?,'
that's right! they're supposed to walk away from them
and dust off their shoes...well my shoes have already
been dusted off, question is? have you dusted yours
off yet?!?!?!..."-
Yes, I served a mission in the 50's and was told that if we tracted
any blacks not to proselyt them, just hand them a track and walk
away.  At that time the church was practicing discrimination and the
blacks were not allowed to hold the priesthood because they had the
blood of Cain in them!  What a bunch crap!  And you are right, there
was a time when missionaries were to dust of their shoes from the
property of any who would not listen to them.  They do not do that
anymore, in fact, the current missionaries are very polite and
agreeable. They still visit me regularly even though I am inactive.
Hehh, what a joke. What hypocrisy. Two Detractors of their own
Religion, deciding whether I am "worthy" or NOT!
Call for cite.  Where did I decide if you are worthy or not?  I've
just been asking questions you can't or won't answer.
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What exactly IS, somebody like "bd4u"? What exactly is that
supposed to mean? I'm the one "active" (not you) in the Mormon
Church, and you DARE to criticize ME?!?
I'm active because i don't believe,...should I be a hypocrit and
because active anyway?  Is that what you do?  I don't criticize you I
point what religion has taught using their own literature, ...it
hurts, doesn't i?
Post by bd4u.utah
I'll tell you what "bd4u" is like!
I Bruce Daniel believe in the ONE God, Father Almighty,
creator of Heaven and Earth. In his son Jesus Christ, the
Prophets, and the Saints. I believe in the Resurrection, life
everlasting, and an Eternal Family, I do not expect everyone
to believe these things, but I think you could consider the
possibilities if you wanted to.
Good for you.  I've been there and done that.  I refuse too be conned
anymore.
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We are ALL the children of God, and I believe it's time
we acted like it. Instead of all this petty Jealousy and infighting.
No, you believe you are a children of God, I do not believe
such,...and I'm not fighting over it, you are.
Post by bd4u.utah
"My God is better than your God" Bull, it's the same God. So
why are there so many Religions with the same beliefs, just
worded differently?
So, I don't believe in ANY religion, so you can believe in any God you
wish.
Post by bd4u.utah
At this rate NO Messiah will come, because you each would
kill him out of Jealousy, trying OWN him, or Possess him over
the other Church's which will simply NEVER be!
There you go judging again!  I'm a very peaceful man and do not
believe in killing anyone.
Post by bd4u.utah
The Messiah comes for ALL People, Nations, and Tongues.
Not just the Jews, or the Christians, or the Mormons, or
the Unificationists. Ya'll better get it straight, because God will
simply wait until you do!
Prove it.  This is your belief, not mine.  Ya know, Bruce, you don't
sound much like a religious person in you posts.
Ahem to that Amalthea!,
"Now that bd4u (Bruce Daniel) has admitted to being fully
active in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints?
I really wonder how his Stake President/Bishop/Ward
Congregation/Families he Home Teaches would take it if
they all knew that he's apostatizing the LDS faith and is
now preaching the faith of Sun Myung Moon?!?!?!..."
*definitely a disfellowship or even an excommunication*
(worse scenario is a Divorce with no child custodies)
<goodbye house, goodbye wife, goodbye children, goodbye life>
(all in the name of Sun Myung Moon)
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;-)
Bruce Daniel-<SLAP>
LOL, yer so full of it. I'm not preaching anything. I'm simply
telling the truth as I know of it.

I can see that your momma and dadda didn't raise you
right. You go around slapping people, just like you slap
your kids, and your momma
and dadda slapped each other around.

Yeah, that kinda thing runs in the family. You learn
it from your parents, and then pass it on to your kids.

It's very unfortunate that Just because people are
Mormon that their marriages are not all the same
in edifying others instead of tearing them down!

P.S. The ONLY reason I am "active" in the LDS
Church is because that is where the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) wants me to be at this time. Too
bad you can't see it that way. Or maybe you would
be "active" too!

There are a lot of good people in the Mormon religion,
and I can see clearly why you both left!

bd4u.utah
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LOL, yer so full of it. I'm not preaching anything. I'm simply
telling the truth as I know of it.
I can see that your momma and dadda didn't raise you
right. You go around slapping people, just like you slap
your kids, and your momma
and dadda slapped each other around.
Yeah, that kinda thing runs in the family. You learn
it from your parents, and then pass it on to your kids.
It's very unfortunate that Just because people are
Mormon that their marriages are not all the same
in edifying others instead of tearing them down!
P.S. The ONLY reason I am "active" in the LDS
Church is because that is where the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) wants me to be at this time. Too
bad you can't see it that way. Or maybe you would
be "active" too!
There are a lot of good people in the Mormon religion,
and I can see clearly why you both left!
bd4u.utah
No, bd4u, if you could see clearly, you wouldn't still be active.
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Gigi
Scientology? Let see now, for some strange reason
Sun Myung Moon actually praised them. I am not totally
sure why, but I have an open mind.
bd4u.utah
fffffssssppp, gag, gag !!
Hey, I never said everyone would agree. Heck I don't
even know why Sun Myung Moon regarded them in
such high praise. But he did.. =A0..but ya know that is
the nature of a "True Father", to raise up and edify
that which might be good.
Many people out there, know what I mean.
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rattlesnake, it's always looking for a hole."
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at one of kids birthday party?
Sun Myung Moon is Korean, and most of his
speeches were interpreted to English. I don't
doubt that to your lack of knowledge or
understanding such words probably are weird
to you! As for me, after studying the Oriental
Culture, Philosophies, and Martial Arts intensely,
I can better understand what he meant by it.
I'm not sure how one would misinterpret 'snake', 'love organ'=
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'hole' in the context of sex.
It's real easy. Do you know any languages OTHER
than English? No, I didn't think so.
Interesting, you ask me a question and then answer it for me? =
=A0Is this
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<snip> =A0 =A0as useless
bd4u.utah-
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what he might have meant by making these references.
It's not worth my time. Besides you already
have your own mind made up as to what it means.
I'm not here to change minds, only to educate them.
Something about casting pearls before swine.
Cause the swine no not the value of such things.
But if you are like most detractors, you will
misunderstand that too!
bd4u.utah-
Your not teaching, your judging. =A0So, try again, cast some "pea=
rls
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before this swine" and I'll try to grasp your opinions.
You are right, I am judging. Judging whether you are teachable
or not, and in my better judgement, you simply are NOT!
NOT worth my time, or anybody else's either.
bd4u.utah-
Thanks for admitting you are judging. =A0Now, where did you get the
authority to judge? Also, my original question before all your judg=
ing
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bullshit was: Is the following true?
Early in his ministry --
during the 1950s -- Rev Moon reportedly spread sexual purity by having
intercourse with female followers[1]. He sees himself and his wives as
humanity's "true parents", has described the Holocaust as partial
payback for Jewish leaders who did not support Christ, and he says
homosexuality is "where all different kinds of dung collect". His
first wife left him after thirteen years of marriage, repulsed by h=
is
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strange religious teachings.
Moon's mission seems to involve replacing
democracy, which he calls a "failed system", with a theocracy, with
himself as the head of both church and state.
Isn't that something Amalthea?,
"How wannabe missionaries just don't know when to quit?
I remembering going to a Born Again Christian Church
with my cousins back in '84, and they found out what my
religion was, and their response was, 'You're not saved,
you must join my church, or you'll not be saved!,' yeah,
I thought they were pretty pathetic acting all knowing
and if you're not a member of our church you're DAMNED,T
You are so right. =A0The LDS missionaries job is to contact nonmember=
s
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and tell them everything they believed all their life is wrong.
That's what conversion is all about. =A0The missionaries constantly
testify that they "know" that they represent the "only" true church o=
n
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earth!
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but I read somewhere here that you served a LDS mission
and if so, do you remember what missionaries are
supposed to do when they encounter folks like 'bd4u?,'
that's right! they're supposed to walk away from them
and dust off their shoes...well my shoes have already
been dusted off, question is? have you dusted yours
off yet?!?!?!..."-
Yes, I served a mission in the 50's and was told that if we tracted
any blacks not to proselyt them, just hand them a track and walk
away. =A0At that time the church was practicing discrimination and th=
e
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blacks were not allowed to hold the priesthood because they had the
blood of Cain in them! =A0What a bunch crap! =A0And you are right, th=
ere
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was a time when missionaries were to dust of their shoes from the
property of any who would not listen to them. =A0They do not do that
anymore, in fact, the current missionaries are very polite and
agreeable. They still visit me regularly even though I am inactive.
Hehh, what a joke. What hypocrisy. Two Detractors of their own
Religion, deciding whether I am "worthy" or NOT!
Call for cite. =A0Where did I decide if you are worthy or not? =A0I've
just been asking questions you can't or won't answer.
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What exactly IS, somebody like "bd4u"? What exactly is that
supposed to mean? I'm the one "active" (not you) in the Mormon
Church, and you DARE to criticize ME?!?
I'm active because i don't believe,...should I be a hypocrit and
because active anyway? =A0Is that what you do? =A0I don't criticize you=
I
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point what religion has taught using their own literature, ...it
hurts, doesn't i?
Post by bd4u.utah
I'll tell you what "bd4u" is like!
I Bruce Daniel believe in the ONE God, Father Almighty,
creator of Heaven and Earth. In his son Jesus Christ, the
Prophets, and the Saints. I believe in the Resurrection, life
everlasting, and an Eternal Family, I do not expect everyone
to believe these things, but I think you could consider the
possibilities if you wanted to.
Good for you. =A0I've been there and done that. =A0I refuse too be conn=
ed
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anymore.
Post by bd4u.utah
We are ALL the children of God, and I believe it's time
we acted like it. Instead of all this petty Jealousy and infighting.
No, you believe you are a children of God, I do not believe
such,...and I'm not fighting over it, you are.
Post by bd4u.utah
"My God is better than your God" Bull, it's the same God. So
why are there so many Religions with the same beliefs, just
worded differently?
So, I don't believe in ANY religion, so you can believe in any God you
wish.
Post by bd4u.utah
At this rate NO Messiah will come, because you each would
kill him out of Jealousy, trying OWN him, or Possess him over
the other Church's which will simply NEVER be!
There you go judging again! =A0I'm a very peaceful man and do not
believe in killing anyone.
Post by bd4u.utah
The Messiah comes for ALL People, Nations, and Tongues.
Not just the Jews, or the Christians, or the Mormons, or
the Unificationists. Ya'll better get it straight, because God will
simply wait until you do!
Prove it. =A0This is your belief, not mine. =A0Ya know, Bruce, you don'=
t
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sound much like a religious person in you posts.
Ahem to that Amalthea!,
"Now that bd4u (Bruce Daniel) has admitted to being fully
active in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints?
I really wonder how his Stake President/Bishop/Ward
Congregation/Families he Home Teaches would take it if
they all knew that he's apostatizing the LDS faith and is
now preaching the faith of Sun Myung Moon?!?!?!..."
*definitely a disfellowship or even an excommunication*
(worse scenario is a Divorce with no child custodies)
<goodbye house, goodbye wife, goodbye children, goodbye life>
(all in the name of Sun Myung Moon)
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;-)
Bruce Daniel-<SLAP>
LOL, yer so full of it. I'm not preaching anything. I'm simply
telling the truth as I know of it.
I can see that your momma and dadda didn't raise you
right. You go around slapping people, just like you slap
your kids, and your momma
and dadda slapped each other around.
Yeah, that kinda thing runs in the family. You learn
it from your parents, and then pass it on to your kids.
It's very unfortunate that Just because people are
Mormon that their marriages are not all the same
in edifying others instead of tearing them down!
P.S. The ONLY reason I am "active" in the LDS
Church is because that is where the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) wants me to be at this time. Too
bad you can't see it that way. Or maybe you would
be "active" too!
There are a lot of good people in the Mormon religion,
and I can see clearly why you both left!
** No one like to admit they were sold a bill of goods.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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Bruce Daniel-<SLAP>
LOL, yer so full of it. I'm not preaching anything. I'm simply
telling the truth as I know of it.
I can see that your momma and dadda didn't raise you
right. You go around slapping people, just like you slap
your kids, and your momma
and dadda slapped each other around.
Yeah, that kinda thing runs in the family. You learn
it from your parents, and then pass it on to your kids.
It's very unfortunate that Just because people are
Mormon that their marriages are not all the same
in edifying others instead of tearing them down!
P.S. The ONLY reason I am "active" in the LDS
Church is because that is where the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) wants me to be at this time. Too
bad you can't see it that way. Or maybe you would
be "active" too!
There are a lot of good people in the Mormon religion,
and I can see clearly why you both left!
**  No one like to admit they were sold a bill of goods.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K,  805-386-3734,www.somis.org
Apparently NOT! Simply hitting to close to home
apparently. Most people, are more honest than NOT!
It's the Christian way! Drilled into us, since we were
all youngsters. Even though other cultures, and other
beliefs claim otherwise.

Ya know I was thinking the other day. If you were in
Germany at the height of Hitlers Antisemitism, if you
were hiding a Jew in your basement, and the Gestapo
stopped you to ask if you knew where any Jews were.
What would you tell them? The truth, or a lie?

bd4u.utah
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Bruce Daniel-<SLAP>
LOL, yer so full of it. I'm not preaching anything. I'm simply
telling the truth as I know of it.
I can see that your momma and dadda didn't raise you
right. You go around slapping people, just like you slap
your kids, and your momma
and dadda slapped each other around.
Yeah, that kinda thing runs in the family. You learn
it from your parents, and then pass it on to your kids.
It's very unfortunate that Just because people are
Mormon that their marriages are not all the same
in edifying others instead of tearing them down!
P.S. The ONLY reason I am "active" in the LDS
Church is because that is where the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) wants me to be at this time. Too
bad you can't see it that way. Or maybe you would
be "active" too!
There are a lot of good people in the Mormon religion,
and I can see clearly why you both left!
**  No one like to admit they were sold a bill of goods.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K,  805-386-3734,www.somis.org
Apparently NOT! Simply hitting to close to home
apparently. Most people, are more honest than NOT!
It's the Christian way! Drilled into us, since we were
all youngsters. Even though other cultures, and other
beliefs claim otherwise.
Ya know I was thinking the other day. If you were in
Germany at the height of Hitlers Antisemitism, if you
were hiding a Jew in your basement, and the Gestapo
stopped you to ask if you knew where any Jews were.
What would you tell them? The truth, or a lie?
bd4u.utah
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent,
for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension,
the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”


- Joseph Goebbels, Minister of Propaganda, Third Reich
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Bruce Daniel-<SLAP>
LOL, yer so full of it. I'm not preaching anything. I'm simply
telling the truth as I know of it.
I can see that your momma and dadda didn't raise you
right. You go around slapping people, just like you slap
your kids, and your momma
and dadda slapped each other around.
Yeah, that kinda thing runs in the family. You learn
it from your parents, and then pass it on to your kids.
It's very unfortunate that Just because people are
Mormon that their marriages are not all the same
in edifying others instead of tearing them down!
P.S. The ONLY reason I am "active" in the LDS
Church is because that is where the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) wants me to be at this time. Too
bad you can't see it that way. Or maybe you would
be "active" too!
There are a lot of good people in the Mormon religion,
and I can see clearly why you both left!
** =A0No one likes to admit they were sold a bill of goods.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org
Apparently NOT! Simply hitting to close to home
apparently. Most people, are more honest than NOT!
It's the Christian way!
** the only type of prevarication proscribed by the Ten Commandmsnts is
calumny. General purpose lying isn't.
Post by bd4u.utah
Drilled into us, since we were
all youngsters. Even though other cultures, and other
beliefs claim otherwise.
Ya know I was thinking the other day. If you were in
Germany at the height of Hitlers Antisemitism, if you
were hiding a Jew in your basement, and the Gestapo
stopped you to ask if you knew where any Jews were.
What would you tell them? The truth, or a lie?
** I don't know.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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Bruce Daniel-<SLAP>
LOL, yer so full of it. I'm not preaching anything. I'm simply
telling the truth as I know of it.
I can see that your momma and dadda didn't raise you
right. You go around slapping people, just like you slap
your kids, and your momma
and dadda slapped each other around.
Yeah, that kinda thing runs in the family. You learn
it from your parents, and then pass it on to your kids.
It's very unfortunate that Just because people are
Mormon that their marriages are not all the same
in edifying others instead of tearing them down!
P.S. The ONLY reason I am "active" in the LDS
Church is because that is where the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) wants me to be at this time. Too
bad you can't see it that way. Or maybe you would
be "active" too!
There are a lot of good people in the Mormon religion,
and I can see clearly why you both left!
** =A0No one likes to admit they were sold a bill of goods.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org
Apparently NOT! Simply hitting to close to home
apparently. Most people, are more honest than NOT!
It's the Christian way!
**  the only type of prevarication proscribed by the Ten Commandmsnts is
calumny.  General purpose lying isn't.  
Post by bd4u.utah
Drilled into us, since we were
all youngsters. Even though other cultures, and other
beliefs claim otherwise.
Ya know I was thinking the other day. If you were in
Germany at the height of Hitlers Antisemitism, if you
were hiding a Jew in your basement, and the Gestapo
stopped you to ask if you knew where any Jews were.
What would you tell them? The truth, or a lie?
**  I don't know.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K,  805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
Salutations de la France ! I know what I would do, to tell the truth
would cause a person to loose their life, to lie would save their
life. The correct decision seems obvious to me.
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Bruce Daniel-<SLAP>
LOL, yer so full of it. I'm not preaching anything. I'm simply
telling the truth as I know of it.
I can see that your momma and dadda didn't raise you
right. You go around slapping people, just like you slap
your kids, and your momma
and dadda slapped each other around.
Yeah, that kinda thing runs in the family. You learn
it from your parents, and then pass it on to your kids.
It's very unfortunate that Just because people are
Mormon that their marriages are not all the same
in edifying others instead of tearing them down!
P.S. The ONLY reason I am "active" in the LDS
Church is because that is where the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) wants me to be at this time. Too
bad you can't see it that way. Or maybe you would
be "active" too!
There are a lot of good people in the Mormon religion,
and I can see clearly why you both left!
** =A0No one likes to admit they were sold a bill of goods.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org
Apparently NOT! Simply hitting to close to home
apparently. Most people, are more honest than NOT!
It's the Christian way!
**  the only type of prevarication proscribed by the Ten Commandmsnts is
calumny.  General purpose lying isn't.  
Post by bd4u.utah
Drilled into us, since we were
all youngsters. Even though other cultures, and other
beliefs claim otherwise.
Ya know I was thinking the other day. If you were in
Germany at the height of Hitlers Antisemitism, if you
were hiding a Jew in your basement, and the Gestapo
stopped you to ask if you knew where any Jews were.
What would you tell them? The truth, or a lie?
**  I don't know.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K,  805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
Salutations de la France !  I know what I would do, to tell the truth
would cause a person to loose their life, to lie would save their
life.  The correct decision seems obvious to me.
Congratulations, you took a courageous and bold step there
to admit that. R.L. Measures knew it was a trick question,
and did not want to give rise to Sun Myung Moon's
claims that "To tell a lie to help someone is a good thing"
by answering it.

That is a very famous quote by Moon used by Detractors
to discredit Sun Myung Moon, and you by admitting that
you would lie to save a life, just debunked it!

Thanks..

P.S. What's the weather like in France? Here in Utah they
are having a Winter Storm Alert. ;-)

bd4u.utah
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Bruce Daniel-<SLAP>
LOL, yer so full of it. I'm not preaching anything. I'm simply
telling the truth as I know of it.
I can see that your momma and dadda didn't raise you
right. You go around slapping people, just like you slap
your kids, and your momma
and dadda slapped each other around.
Yeah, that kinda thing runs in the family. You learn
it from your parents, and then pass it on to your kids.
It's very unfortunate that Just because people are
Mormon that their marriages are not all the same
in edifying others instead of tearing them down!
P.S. The ONLY reason I am "active" in the LDS
Church is because that is where the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) wants me to be at this time. Too
bad you can't see it that way. Or maybe you would
be "active" too!
There are a lot of good people in the Mormon religion,
and I can see clearly why you both left!
** =A0No one likes to admit they were sold a bill of goods.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org
Apparently NOT! Simply hitting to close to home
apparently. Most people, are more honest than NOT!
It's the Christian way!
**  the only type of prevarication proscribed by the Ten Commandmsnts is
calumny.  General purpose lying isn't.  
Post by bd4u.utah
Drilled into us, since we were
all youngsters. Even though other cultures, and other
beliefs claim otherwise.
Ya know I was thinking the other day. If you were in
Germany at the height of Hitlers Antisemitism, if you
were hiding a Jew in your basement, and the Gestapo
stopped you to ask if you knew where any Jews were.
What would you tell them? The truth, or a lie?
**  I don't know.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K,  805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
Salutations de la France !  I know what I would do, to tell the truth
would cause a person to loose their life, to lie would save their
life.  The correct decision seems obvious to me.
Congratulations, you took a courageous and bold step there
to admit that. R.L. Measures knew it was a trick question,
and did not want to give rise to Sun Myung Moon's
claims that "To tell a lie to help someone is a good thing"
by answering it.
That is a very famous quote by Moon used by Detractors
to discredit Sun Myung Moon, and you by admitting that
you would lie to save a life, just debunked it!
Thanks..
P.S. What's the weather like in France? Here in Utah they
are having a Winter Storm Alert. ;-)
bd4u.utah-
Life takes precedence. It is 70°F, 15 mph W, 64% humidity in my area.
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Bruce Daniel-<SLAP>
LOL, yer so full of it. I'm not preaching anything. I'm simply
telling the truth as I know of it.
I can see that your momma and dadda didn't raise you
right. You go around slapping people, just like you slap
your kids, and your momma
and dadda slapped each other around.
Yeah, that kinda thing runs in the family. You learn
it from your parents, and then pass it on to your kids.
It's very unfortunate that Just because people are
Mormon that their marriages are not all the same
in edifying others instead of tearing them down!
P.S. The ONLY reason I am "active" in the LDS
Church is because that is where the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) wants me to be at this time. Too
bad you can't see it that way. Or maybe you would
be "active" too!
There are a lot of good people in the Mormon religion,
and I can see clearly why you both left!
** =3DA0No one likes to admit they were sold a bill of goods.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =3DA0805-386-3734,www.somis.org
Apparently NOT! Simply hitting to close to home
apparently. Most people, are more honest than NOT!
It's the Christian way!
** =A0the only type of prevarication proscribed by the Ten Commandmsnts i=
s
Post by • R. L. Measures.
calumny. =A0General purpose lying isn't. =A0
Post by bd4u.utah
Drilled into us, since we were
all youngsters. Even though other cultures, and other
beliefs claim otherwise.
Ya know I was thinking the other day. If you were in
Germany at the height of Hitlers Antisemitism, if you
were hiding a Jew in your basement, and the Gestapo
stopped you to ask if you knew where any Jews were.
What would you tell them? The truth, or a lie?
** =A0I don't know.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
Salutations de la France ! I know what I would do, to tell the truth
would cause a person to loose their life, to lie would save their
life. The correct decision seems obvious to me.
** The troubling thing about Mormonism is:

"It does not matter that the criticism is true ."  
-- LDS "Apostle" Dallin H. Oaks

"Some things that are true are not very useful."
- Boyd K. Packer, LDS "Apostle"
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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Bruce Daniel-<SLAP>
LOL, yer so full of it. I'm not preaching anything. I'm simply
telling the truth as I know of it.
I can see that your momma and dadda didn't raise you
right. You go around slapping people, just like you slap
your kids, and your momma
and dadda slapped each other around.
Yeah, that kinda thing runs in the family. You learn
it from your parents, and then pass it on to your kids.
It's very unfortunate that Just because people are
Mormon that their marriages are not all the same
in edifying others instead of tearing them down!
P.S. The ONLY reason I am "active" in the LDS
Church is because that is where the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) wants me to be at this time. Too
bad you can't see it that way. Or maybe you would
be "active" too!
There are a lot of good people in the Mormon religion,
and I can see clearly why you both left!
** =3DA0No one likes to admit they were sold a bill of goods.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =3DA0805-386-3734,www.somis.org
Apparently NOT! Simply hitting to close to home
apparently. Most people, are more honest than NOT!
It's the Christian way!
** =A0the only type of prevarication proscribed by the Ten Commandmsnts i=
s
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calumny. =A0General purpose lying isn't. =A0
Post by bd4u.utah
Drilled into us, since we were
all youngsters. Even though other cultures, and other
beliefs claim otherwise.
Ya know I was thinking the other day. If you were in
Germany at the height of Hitlers Antisemitism, if you
were hiding a Jew in your basement, and the Gestapo
stopped you to ask if you knew where any Jews were.
What would you tell them? The truth, or a lie?
** =A0I don't know.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
Salutations de la France !  I know what I would do, to tell the truth
would cause a person to loose their life, to lie would save their
life.  The correct decision seems obvious to me.
**  The troubling thing about Mormonism is:  
"It does not matter that the criticism is true ."
 --  LDS "Apostle" Dallin H. Oaks
"Some things that are true are not very useful."
- Boyd K. Packer,  LDS "Apostle"
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K,  805-386-3734,www.somis.org
Hehh, so you want to make absolutely sure that everybody
is miserable like you! You are a religion in and of yourself,
why should anybody join YOU?

Misery loves company..

I was just telling another fella who was concerned
about what Moonies do, not to worry about what
Moonies do. You could say the same thing about
Mormons too.

Take the good from any experience and discard
anything that don't work for you.

But as one Moonie once put it. "Don't throw the
baby out with the bathwater".

bd4u.utah
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Bruce Daniel-<SLAP>
LOL, yer so full of it. I'm not preaching anything. I'm simply
telling the truth as I know of it.
I can see that your momma and dadda didn't raise you
right. You go around slapping people, just like you slap
your kids, and your momma
and dadda slapped each other around.
Yeah, that kinda thing runs in the family. You learn
it from your parents, and then pass it on to your kids.
It's very unfortunate that Just because people are
Mormon that their marriages are not all the same
in edifying others instead of tearing them down!
P.S. The ONLY reason I am "active" in the LDS
Church is because that is where the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) wants me to be at this time. Too
bad you can't see it that way. Or maybe you would
be "active" too!
There are a lot of good people in the Mormon religion,
and I can see clearly why you both left!
** =3D3DA0No one likes to admit they were sold a bill of goods.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =3D3DA0805-386-3734,www.somis.org
Apparently NOT! Simply hitting to close to home
apparently. Most people, are more honest than NOT!
It's the Christian way!
** =3DA0the only type of prevarication proscribed by the Ten Commandms=
nts i=3D
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s
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calumny. =3DA0General purpose lying isn't. =3DA0
Post by bd4u.utah
Drilled into us, since we were
all youngsters. Even though other cultures, and other
beliefs claim otherwise.
Ya know I was thinking the other day. If you were in
Germany at the height of Hitlers Antisemitism, if you
were hiding a Jew in your basement, and the Gestapo
stopped you to ask if you knew where any Jews were.
What would you tell them? The truth, or a lie?
** =3DA0I don't know.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =3DA0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
Salutations de la France ! =A0I know what I would do, to tell the truth
would cause a person to loose their life, to lie would save their
life. =A0The correct decision seems obvious to me.
** =A0The troubling thing about Mormonism is: =A0
"It does not matter that the criticism is true ."
=A0-- =A0LDS "Apostle" Dallin H. Oaks
"Some things that are true are not very useful."
- Boyd K. Packer, =A0LDS "Apostle"
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org
Hehh, so you want to make absolutely sure that everybody
is miserable like you! You are a religion in and of yourself,
why should anybody join YOU?
** I do not advocate this.

³I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.²
- - Galileo Galilei
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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Bruce Daniel-<SLAP>
LOL, yer so full of it. I'm not preaching anything. I'm simply
telling the truth as I know of it.
I can see that your momma and dadda didn't raise you
right. You go around slapping people, just like you slap
your kids, and your momma
and dadda slapped each other around.
Yeah, that kinda thing runs in the family. You learn
it from your parents, and then pass it on to your kids.
It's very unfortunate that Just because people are
Mormon that their marriages are not all the same
in edifying others instead of tearing them down!
P.S. The ONLY reason I am "active" in the LDS
Church is because that is where the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) wants me to be at this time. Too
bad you can't see it that way. Or maybe you would
be "active" too!
There are a lot of good people in the Mormon religion,
and I can see clearly why you both left!
** =3DA0No one likes to admit they were sold a bill of goods.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =3DA0805-386-3734,www.somis.org
Apparently NOT! Simply hitting to close to home
apparently. Most people, are more honest than NOT!
It's the Christian way!
** =A0the only type of prevarication proscribed by the Ten Commandmsnts i=
s
Post by • R. L. Measures.
calumny. =A0General purpose lying isn't. =A0
Post by bd4u.utah
Drilled into us, since we were
all youngsters. Even though other cultures, and other
beliefs claim otherwise.
Ya know I was thinking the other day. If you were in
Germany at the height of Hitlers Antisemitism, if you
were hiding a Jew in your basement, and the Gestapo
stopped you to ask if you knew where any Jews were.
What would you tell them? The truth, or a lie?
** =A0I don't know.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
Salutations de la France !  I know what I would do, to tell the truth
would cause a person to loose their life, to lie would save their
life.  The correct decision seems obvious to me.
**  The troubling thing about Mormonism is:  
"It does not matter that the criticism is true ."
 --  LDS "Apostle" Dallin H. Oaks
"Some things that are true are not very useful."
- Boyd K. Packer,  LDS "Apostle"
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K,  805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
....and then you have Paul H. Dunn and his lies.
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Bruce Daniel-<SLAP>
LOL, yer so full of it. I'm not preaching anything. I'm simply
telling the truth as I know of it.
I can see that your momma and dadda didn't raise you
right. You go around slapping people, just like you slap
your kids, and your momma
and dadda slapped each other around.
Yeah, that kinda thing runs in the family. You learn
it from your parents, and then pass it on to your kids.
It's very unfortunate that Just because people are
Mormon that their marriages are not all the same
in edifying others instead of tearing them down!
P.S. The ONLY reason I am "active" in the LDS
Church is because that is where the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) wants me to be at this time. Too
bad you can't see it that way. Or maybe you would
be "active" too!
There are a lot of good people in the Mormon religion,
and I can see clearly why you both left!
** =3DA0No one likes to admit they were sold a bill of goods.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =3DA0805-386-3734,www.somis.org
Apparently NOT! Simply hitting to close to home
apparently. Most people, are more honest than NOT!
It's the Christian way!
** =A0the only type of prevarication proscribed by the Ten Commandmsnts i=
s
Post by • R. L. Measures.
calumny. =A0General purpose lying isn't. =A0
Post by bd4u.utah
Drilled into us, since we were
all youngsters. Even though other cultures, and other
beliefs claim otherwise.
Ya know I was thinking the other day. If you were in
Germany at the height of Hitlers Antisemitism, if you
were hiding a Jew in your basement, and the Gestapo
stopped you to ask if you knew where any Jews were.
What would you tell them? The truth, or a lie?
** =A0I don't know.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
Salutations de la France !  I know what I would do, to tell the truth
would cause a person to loose their life, to lie would save their
life.  The correct decision seems obvious to me.
**  The troubling thing about Mormonism is:  
"It does not matter that the criticism is true ."
 --  LDS "Apostle" Dallin H. Oaks
"Some things that are true are not very useful."
- Boyd K. Packer,  LDS "Apostle"
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K,  805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
....and then you have Paul H. Dunn and his lies.
You still don't get it do you? Everybody lies, some just don't
want to admit to it. Every lie is based on the truth, and the
truth is relative. What is true for some people is not true
for others. You yourself claim that the Kabbalah is a "legend",
a myth, do you also claim it to be a lie, simply because for
you it does not work? That does not mean it is not true
for others. Everyone has their own truth, whether it works
for them or not is the question.

Do you know WHY the Mormon Church (or for that matter
any fraternal/maternal organization) holds certain meetings
in private? It is in order to keep the believers informed, not
the doubters and the skeptics.

I have been to the Stake meetings, and seen the General
Conference of the Mormons, and I can see why it is not
open to the public. Many simply wouldn't, couldn't
appreciate it. They would find some reason to doubt,
and become suspicious over it. Not that they would have
a reason, but because they would find one.

The same thing with the Kabbalah, it was hidden away
by the Jews and still is, with it's true meaning known
only to those that do not doubt it's origins, or it's
powers.

Why oh why cast pearls before swine? For the swine
know not the value of such an item, out of ignorance
and ill-respect they would trample it into the ground.
Such is the value of true understanding and knowledge.

bd4u.utah
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Bruce Daniel-<SLAP>
LOL, yer so full of it. I'm not preaching anything. I'm simply
telling the truth as I know of it.
I can see that your momma and dadda didn't raise you
right. You go around slapping people, just like you slap
your kids, and your momma
and dadda slapped each other around.
Yeah, that kinda thing runs in the family. You learn
it from your parents, and then pass it on to your kids.
It's very unfortunate that Just because people are
Mormon that their marriages are not all the same
in edifying others instead of tearing them down!
P.S. The ONLY reason I am "active" in the LDS
Church is because that is where the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) wants me to be at this time. Too
bad you can't see it that way. Or maybe you would
be "active" too!
There are a lot of good people in the Mormon religion,
and I can see clearly why you both left!
** =3DA0No one likes to admit they were sold a bill of goods.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =3DA0805-386-3734,www.somis.org
Apparently NOT! Simply hitting to close to home
apparently. Most people, are more honest than NOT!
It's the Christian way!
** =A0the only type of prevarication proscribed by the Ten Commandmsnts i=
s
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Post by bd4u.utah
Drilled into us, since we were
all youngsters. Even though other cultures, and other
beliefs claim otherwise.
Ya know I was thinking the other day. If you were in
Germany at the height of Hitlers Antisemitism, if you
were hiding a Jew in your basement, and the Gestapo
stopped you to ask if you knew where any Jews were.
What would you tell them? The truth, or a lie?
** =A0I don't know.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
Salutations de la France !  I know what I would do, to tell the truth
would cause a person to loose their life, to lie would save their
life.  The correct decision seems obvious to me.
**  The troubling thing about Mormonism is:  
"It does not matter that the criticism is true ."
 --  LDS "Apostle" Dallin H. Oaks
"Some things that are true are not very useful."
- Boyd K. Packer,  LDS "Apostle"
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K,  805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
....and then you have Paul H. Dunn and his lies.
You still don't get it do you?
Nope
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Everybody lies, some just don't
want to admit to it.
Everybody would include God, Jesus, you and Moon,...right?
Post by bd4u.utah
Every lie is based on the truth, and the
truth is relative.
Not true, the truth is definitive. It either is or is not.
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What is true for some people is not true
for others.
If the truth is not true for others, it is not the truth !
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You yourself claim that the Kabbalah is a "legend",
a myth, do you also claim it to be a lie, simply because for
you it does not work?
Yes. Following is an example of the teaching of the Kabbalah, and as
one can see, it is jibberish.

In comparison with the Zohar, Lurianic teachings regarding the soul
were far more elaborate. In one teaching the formation of the soul
recapitulates the process of cosmic emanation and contributes towards
the cosmic redemption or tikkun. Explains Scholem:

"Just as the supernal lights of the partzufim of Atzilut develop
through conjunctions and "couplings" (zivvugim) of the parztufim, so
are the souls born through a corresponding process. Within the
Sefirah Malkut of each parztuf are...souls in a potential state that
ascend...and are actualised as a result of the "unions" of the
(higher) Sefirot. At the outset these souls exist only in the state
of "female waters" (mayyim nukbin); that is, they are passive
potencies that...lack harmony and form....Only through additional
"couplings" of...Ze'er Anpin with its female counterpart or Nukvah do
they receieve the actual structure of souls. With each new arousal of
the "female waters" in these parztufim, new opportunities arise for
the creation of souls. Such a process occurs in all four worlds....,
the possible variation in modes of souls being practically infinite.
Each of these souls recapitualtes...the structure of the worlds
through which it passed (when)...being created, so that when it
descends to enter a body in this world it will be able to work towards
the latter's tikkun...and, to some extent,...the uplifting of the
higher worlds as well."
[Kabbalah, pp.161-2]
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That does not mean it is not true
for others. Everyone has their own truth, whether it works
for them or not is the question.
If something is false, then it is false for everyone !
Post by bd4u.utah
Do you know WHY the Mormon Church (or for that matter
any fraternal/maternal organization) holds certain meetings
in private? It is in order to keep the believers informed, not
the doubters and the skeptics.
Yes, I was friends with Apostle Hugh B. Brown's son. His father told
him what goes on in the private meetings, and it is not what the
members think goes on!
Post by bd4u.utah
I have been to the Stake meetings, and seen the General
Conference of the Mormons, and I can see why it is not
open to the public. Many simply wouldn't, couldn't
appreciate it. They would find some reason to doubt,
and become suspicious over it. Not that they would have
a reason, but because they would find one.
I can see why they are not open to the public either. Take a look a
Joseph F. Smith senate testimony in the Reed Smoot case,
http://www.waynesimister.mysite.com/smith.htm. The President didn't
have time to have prophesies, he was too greedy owning many
businesses.
Post by bd4u.utah
The same thing with the Kabbalah, it was hidden away
by the Jews and still is, with it's true meaning known
only to those that do not doubt it's origins, or it's
powers.
Why oh why cast pearls before swine? For the swine
know not the value of such an item, out of ignorance
and ill-respect they would trample it into the ground.
Such is the value of true understanding and knowledge.
Yes, the swine would trample into the ground such things as:
discrimination, polygamy, murder, polyandry, suicide, lies, false
prophesies, death atonement, bank fraud, etc., all part of the history
of the LDS and other churches. The brethren wouldn't want to loose
these things!!!
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The only truth you know is your own! And to you that is
the only truth you will ever know, unless you open your eyes.

Best of luck to you!

bd4u.utah
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Bruce Daniel-<SLAP>
LOL, yer so full of it. I'm not preaching anything. I'm simply
telling the truth as I know of it.
I can see that your momma and dadda didn't raise you
right. You go around slapping people, just like you slap
your kids, and your momma
and dadda slapped each other around.
Yeah, that kinda thing runs in the family. You learn
it from your parents, and then pass it on to your kids.
It's very unfortunate that Just because people are
Mormon that their marriages are not all the same
in edifying others instead of tearing them down!
P.S. The ONLY reason I am "active" in the LDS
Church is because that is where the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) wants me to be at this time. Too
bad you can't see it that way. Or maybe you would
be "active" too!
There are a lot of good people in the Mormon religion,
and I can see clearly why you both left!
** =3DA0No one likes to admit they were sold a bill of goods.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =3DA0805-386-3734,www.somis.org
Apparently NOT! Simply hitting to close to home
apparently. Most people, are more honest than NOT!
It's the Christian way!
** =A0the only type of prevarication proscribed by the Ten Commandmsnts i=
s
Post by • R. L. Measures.
calumny. =A0General purpose lying isn't. =A0
Post by bd4u.utah
Drilled into us, since we were
all youngsters. Even though other cultures, and other
beliefs claim otherwise.
Ya know I was thinking the other day. If you were in
Germany at the height of Hitlers Antisemitism, if you
were hiding a Jew in your basement, and the Gestapo
stopped you to ask if you knew where any Jews were.
What would you tell them? The truth, or a lie?
** =A0I don't know.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
Salutations de la France !  I know what I would do, to tell the truth
would cause a person to loose their life, to lie would save their
life.  The correct decision seems obvious to me.
**  The troubling thing about Mormonism is:  
"It does not matter that the criticism is true ."
 --  LDS "Apostle" Dallin H. Oaks
"Some things that are true are not very useful."
- Boyd K. Packer,  LDS "Apostle"
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K,  805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
....and then you have Paul H. Dunn and his lies.
You still don't get it do you?
Nope
Post by bd4u.utah
Everybody lies, some just don't
want to admit to it.
Everybody would include God, Jesus, you and Moon,...right?
Post by bd4u.utah
Every lie is based on the truth, and the
truth is relative.
Not true, the truth is definitive.  It either is or is not.
Post by bd4u.utah
What is true for some people is not true
for others.
If the truth is not true for others, it is not the truth !
Post by bd4u.utah
You yourself claim that the Kabbalah is a "legend",
a myth, do you also claim it to be a lie, simply because for
you it does not work?
Yes.  Following is an example of the teaching of the Kabbalah, and as
one can see, it is jibberish.
In comparison with the Zohar, Lurianic teachings regarding the soul
were far more elaborate.  In one teaching the formation of the soul
recapitulates the process of cosmic emanation and contributes towards
"Just as the supernal lights of the partzufim of Atzilut develop
through conjunctions and "couplings" (zivvugim) of the parztufim, so
are the souls born through a corresponding process.  Within the
Sefirah Malkut of each parztuf are...souls in a potential state that
ascend...and are actualised as a result of the "unions" of the
(higher) Sefirot.  At the outset these souls exist only in the state
of "female waters" (mayyim nukbin); that is, they are passive
potencies that...lack harmony and form....Only through additional
"couplings" of...Ze'er Anpin with its female counterpart or Nukvah do
they receieve the actual structure of souls.  With each new arousal of
the "female waters" in these parztufim, new opportunities arise for
the creation of souls.  Such a process occurs in all four worlds....,
the possible variation in modes of souls being practically infinite.
Each of these souls recapitualtes...the structure of the worlds
through which it passed (when)...being created, so that when it
descends to enter a body in this world it will be able to work towards
the latter's tikkun...and, to some extent,...the uplifting of the
higher worlds as well."
 [Kabbalah, pp.161-2]
 >That does not mean it is not true
Post by bd4u.utah
for others. Everyone has their own truth, whether it works
for them or not is the question.
If something is false, then it is false for everyone !
Post by bd4u.utah
Do you know WHY the Mormon Church (or for that matter
any fraternal/maternal organization) holds certain meetings
in private? It is in order to keep the believers informed, not
the doubters and the skeptics.
Yes, I was friends with Apostle Hugh B. Brown's son.  His father told
him what goes on in the private meetings, and it is not what the
members think goes on!
Post by bd4u.utah
I have been to the Stake meetings, and seen the General
Conference of the Mormons, and I can see why it is not
open to the public. Many simply wouldn't, couldn't
appreciate it. They would find some reason to doubt,
and become suspicious over it. Not that they would have
a reason, but because they would find one.
I can see why they are not open to the public either.  Take a look a
Joseph F. Smith senate testimony in the Reed Smoot case,http://www.waynesimister.mysite.com/smith.htm.  The President didn't
have time to have prophesies, he was too greedy owning many
businesses.
Post by bd4u.utah
The same thing with the Kabbalah, it was hidden away
by the Jews and still is, with it's true meaning known
only to those that do not doubt it's origins, or it's
powers.
Why oh why cast pearls before swine? For the swine
know not the value of such an item, out of ignorance
and ill-respect they would trample it into the ground.
Such is the value of true understanding and knowledge.
discrimination, polygamy, murder, polyandry, suicide, lies, false
prophesies, death atonement, bank fraud, etc., all part of the history
of the LDS and other churches.  The brethren wouldn't want to loose
these things!!!
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The only truth you know is your own! And to you that is
the only truth you will ever know, unless you open your eyes.
Best of luck to you!
bd4u.utah
And why are you so sure your eyes are open? Good luck to you too,
I'll have a drink to you at the Alain Ducasse au Plaza Athénée in
Paris tonight!!! Ah, life can be good!
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The only truth you know is your own! And to you that is
the only truth you will ever know, unless you open your eyes.
Best of luck to you!
bd4u.utah
And why are you so sure your eyes are open?  Good luck to you too,
I'll have a drink to you at the Alain Ducasse au Plaza Athénée in
Paris tonight!!!  Ah, life can be good!
You are welcome to all the life here in this temporal world
that you want. But to me the next world which is forever
is more important.

bd4u.utah
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The only truth you know is your own! And to you that is
the only truth you will ever know, unless you open your eyes.
Best of luck to you!
bd4u.utah
And why are you so sure your eyes are open?  Good luck to you too,
I'll have a drink to you at the Alain Ducasse au Plaza Athénée in
Paris tonight!!!  Ah, life can be good!
You are welcome to all the life here in this temporal world
that you want. But to me the next world which is forever
is more important.
bd4u.utah
My evidence in this temporal world is experiencing it in reality, you
have no evidence of the next world to experience !!! That's the
difference between us. I have experienced the world that God gave us
while you, apparently, sit in a pew and dream.
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The only truth you know is your own! And to you that is
the only truth you will ever know, unless you open your eyes.
Best of luck to you!
bd4u.utah
And why are you so sure your eyes are open?  
Hehh, because there is not a single prejudice bone
in my body. I don't allow personal differences to
cloud my judgement.

I am not a bigot, I know all to well that the world
is so much bigger than I am, and I can't absorb
it if I shut my senses (close my mind) to it.

We were designed to be all that we can be.
Why would I create limitations, when God
doesn't.

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The only truth you know is your own! And to you that is
the only truth you will ever know, unless you open your eyes.
Best of luck to you!
bd4u.utah
And why are you so sure your eyes are open?  
Hehh, because there is not a single prejudice bone
in my body. I don't allow personal differences to
cloud my judgement.
Bruce, the definition of prejudice is : preconceived judgment or
opinion : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds
or before sufficient knowledge,... considering this, are you so sure
you are not prejudiced?
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I am not a bigot, I know all to well that the world
is so much bigger than I am, and I can't absorb
it if I shut my senses (close my mind)  to it.
I've been where you are at,...man is that he may have joy, and I enjoy
life. Life is not a joy when you pinch your mind down to print on a
page,...life is much more.
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We were designed to be all that we can be.
Why would I create limitations, when God
doesn't.
Isn't this what I been trying to get across to you?
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The only truth you know is your own! And to you that is
the only truth you will ever know, unless you open your eyes.
Best of luck to you!
bd4u.utah
And why are you so sure your eyes are open?  
Hehh, because there is not a single prejudice bone
in my body. I don't allow personal differences to
cloud my judgement.
Bruce, the definition of prejudice is  : preconceived judgment or
opinion  : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds
or before sufficient knowledge,... considering this, are you so sure
you are not prejudiced?
Post by bd4u.utah
I am not a bigot, I know all to well that the world
is so much bigger than I am, and I can't absorb
it if I shut my senses (close my mind)  to it.
I've been where you are at,...man is that he may have joy, and I enjoy
life.  Life is not a joy when you pinch your mind down to print on a
page,...life is much more.
Post by bd4u.utah
We were designed to be all that we can be.
Why would I create limitations, when God
doesn't.
Isn't this what I been trying to get across to you?
You limit your understanding to the physical
world. I on the other hand do NOT! According to
sources, we have 9 bodies only one of them is
physical.
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The only truth you know is your own! And to you that is
the only truth you will ever know, unless you open your eyes.
Best of luck to you!
bd4u.utah
And why are you so sure your eyes are open?  
Hehh, because there is not a single prejudice bone
in my body. I don't allow personal differences to
cloud my judgement.
Bruce, the definition of prejudice is  : preconceived judgment or
opinion  : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds
or before sufficient knowledge,... considering this, are you so sure
you are not prejudiced?
Post by bd4u.utah
I am not a bigot, I know all to well that the world
is so much bigger than I am, and I can't absorb
it if I shut my senses (close my mind)  to it.
I've been where you are at,...man is that he may have joy, and I enjoy
life.  Life is not a joy when you pinch your mind down to print on a
page,...life is much more.
Post by bd4u.utah
We were designed to be all that we can be.
Why would I create limitations, when God
doesn't.
Isn't this what I been trying to get across to you?
You limit your understanding to the physical
world.
Not true, Bruce, I've told you before that I was active in church for
60 years. That is more spiritual exposure than many people have had,
probably including you.
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I on the other hand do NOT! According to
sources,
And those sources areS?

we have 9 bodies only one of them is
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The only truth you know is your own! And to you that is
the only truth you will ever know, unless you open your eyes.
Best of luck to you!
bd4u.utah
And why are you so sure your eyes are open?  
Hehh, because there is not a single prejudice bone
in my body. I don't allow personal differences to
cloud my judgement.
Bruce, the definition of prejudice is  : preconceived judgment or
opinion  : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds
or before sufficient knowledge,... considering this, are you so sure
you are not prejudiced?
Post by bd4u.utah
I am not a bigot, I know all to well that the world
is so much bigger than I am, and I can't absorb
it if I shut my senses (close my mind)  to it.
I've been where you are at,...man is that he may have joy, and I enjoy
life.  Life is not a joy when you pinch your mind down to print on a
page,...life is much more.
Post by bd4u.utah
We were designed to be all that we can be.
Why would I create limitations, when God
doesn't.
Isn't this what I been trying to get across to you?
You limit your understanding to the physical
world.
Not true, Bruce, I've told you before that I was active in church for
60 years.  That is more spiritual exposure than many people have had,
probably including you.
You yourself claim that the spiritual world (heaven)
you have no evidence of, and ask why you should
believe it? You question the existence of the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao). Referred to by the Jews as "Gods
Divine presence on the earth". So which is it, are
you "spiritual" or NOT!

You DO know I hope, that religious exposure
is not the same thing as "spiritual" exposure.
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I on the other hand do NOT! According to
sources,
we have 9 bodies only one of them is
physical.
And those sources areS?
Which ones? Almost every religion on the
face of the earth recognizes them. I'm so
sorry if the Mormon's DON'T, and that you
spent 60 years just learning about Mormonism.

It's a BIG world out there, ya know!
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The only truth you know is your own! And to you that is
the only truth you will ever know, unless you open your eyes.
Best of luck to you!
bd4u.utah
And why are you so sure your eyes are open?  
Hehh, because there is not a single prejudice bone
in my body. I don't allow personal differences to
cloud my judgement.
Bruce, the definition of prejudice is  : preconceived judgment or
opinion  : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds
or before sufficient knowledge,... considering this, are you so sure
you are not prejudiced?
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I am not a bigot, I know all to well that the world
is so much bigger than I am, and I can't absorb
it if I shut my senses (close my mind)  to it.
I've been where you are at,...man is that he may have joy, and I enjoy
life.  Life is not a joy when you pinch your mind down to print on a
page,...life is much more.
Post by bd4u.utah
We were designed to be all that we can be.
Why would I create limitations, when God
doesn't.
Isn't this what I been trying to get across to you?
You limit your understanding to the physical
world.
Not true, Bruce, I've told you before that I was active in church for
60 years.  That is more spiritual exposure than many people have had,
probably including you.
You yourself claim that the spiritual world (heaven)
you have no evidence of, and ask why you should
believe it? You question the existence of the  Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao). Referred to by the Jews as "Gods
Divine presence on the earth". So which is it, are
you "spiritual" or NOT!
You DO know I hope, that religious exposure
is not the same thing as "spiritual" exposure.
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I on the other hand do NOT! According to
sources,
we have 9 bodies only one of them is
physical.
And those sources areS?
Which ones? Almost every religion on the
face of the earth recognizes them. I'm so
sorry if the Mormon's DON'T, and that you
spent 60 years just learning about Mormonism.
It's a BIG world out there, ya know!
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bd4u.utah
BTW: The above is not to suggest that Mormonism
is wrong, simply that they do not know all that there
is to know about the Spiritual realms. The Mormons
claim that there is a realm of darkness, and a realm
of light. Which is true, but what they don't seem to
recognize is that there are separate realms of
existence in both the light of day, and the darkness
of night.

Yet what the Mormons realize about the nature of
the spiritual realms, is more than most people do!
After all we are unfortunately for the most part living
in a Godless world.

If you care to see a map of those realms, well here it
is..


http://people.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Sefirot/Sefirot.html


bd4u.utah
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The only truth you know is your own! And to you that is
the only truth you will ever know, unless you open your eyes.
Best of luck to you!
bd4u.utah
And why are you so sure your eyes are open?  
Hehh, because there is not a single prejudice bone
in my body. I don't allow personal differences to
cloud my judgement.
Bruce, the definition of prejudice is  : preconceived judgment or
opinion  : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds
or before sufficient knowledge,... considering this, are you so sure
you are not prejudiced?
Post by bd4u.utah
I am not a bigot, I know all to well that the world
is so much bigger than I am, and I can't absorb
it if I shut my senses (close my mind)  to it.
I've been where you are at,...man is that he may have joy, and I enjoy
life.  Life is not a joy when you pinch your mind down to print on a
page,...life is much more.
Post by bd4u.utah
We were designed to be all that we can be.
Why would I create limitations, when God
doesn't.
Isn't this what I been trying to get across to you?
You limit your understanding to the physical
world.
Not true, Bruce, I've told you before that I was active in church for
60 years.  That is more spiritual exposure than many people have had,
probably including you.
You yourself claim that the spiritual world (heaven)
you have no evidence of, and ask why you should
believe it? You question the existence of the  Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao). Referred to by the Jews as "Gods
Divine presence on the earth". So which is it, are
you "spiritual" or NOT!
You DO know I hope, that religious exposure
is not the same thing as "spiritual" exposure.
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I on the other hand do NOT! According to
sources,
we have 9 bodies only one of them is
physical.
And those sources areS?
Which ones? Almost every religion on the
face of the earth recognizes them. I'm so
sorry if the Mormon's DON'T, and that you
spent 60 years just learning about Mormonism.
It's a BIG world out there, ya know!
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bd4u.utah
BTW: The above is not to suggest that Mormonism
is wrong, simply that they do not know all that there
is to know about the Spiritual realms. The Mormons
claim that there is a realm of darkness, and a realm
of light. Which is true, but what they don't seem to
recognize is that there are separate realms of
existence in both the light of day, and the darkness
of night.
Yet what the Mormons realize about the nature of
the spiritual realms, is more than most people do!
After all we are unfortunately for the most part living
in a Godless world.
If you care to see a map of those realms, well here it
is..
http://people.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Sefirot/Sefirot.html
bd4u.utah
SIDEBAR:

Alistair Crowley sought his whole life for the reverse image
(hell) of the heavens. Only to go insane trying. What he
failed to realize is that they don't actually exist. The Kabbalah
describes the reverse as a Mirror image. IOW it is but a
reflection and has no dimension to it! It does not actually exist!

Puzzle that for awhile, if you will.

bd4u.utah
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The only truth you know is your own! And to you that is
the only truth you will ever know, unless you open your eyes.
Best of luck to you!
bd4u.utah
And why are you so sure your eyes are open?  
Hehh, because there is not a single prejudice bone
in my body. I don't allow personal differences to
cloud my judgement.
Bruce, the definition of prejudice is  : preconceived judgment or
opinion  : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds
or before sufficient knowledge,... considering this, are you so sure
you are not prejudiced?
Post by bd4u.utah
I am not a bigot, I know all to well that the world
is so much bigger than I am, and I can't absorb
it if I shut my senses (close my mind)  to it.
I've been where you are at,...man is that he may have joy, and I enjoy
life.  Life is not a joy when you pinch your mind down to print on a
page,...life is much more.
Post by bd4u.utah
We were designed to be all that we can be.
Why would I create limitations, when God
doesn't.
Isn't this what I been trying to get across to you?
You limit your understanding to the physical
world.
Not true, Bruce, I've told you before that I was active in church for
60 years.  That is more spiritual exposure than many people have had,
probably including you.
You yourself claim that the spiritual world (heaven)
you have no evidence of, and ask why you should
believe it? You question the existence of the  Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao). Referred to by the Jews as "Gods
Divine presence on the earth". So which is it, are
you "spiritual" or NOT!
You DO know I hope, that religious exposure
is not the same thing as "spiritual" exposure.
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I on the other hand do NOT! According to
sources,
we have 9 bodies only one of them is
physical.
And those sources areS?
Which ones? Almost every religion on the
face of the earth recognizes them. I'm so
sorry if the Mormon's DON'T, and that you
spent 60 years just learning about Mormonism.
It's a BIG world out there, ya know!
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bd4u.utah
BTW: The above is not to suggest that Mormonism
is wrong, simply that they do not know all that there
is to know about the Spiritual realms. The Mormons
claim that there is a realm of darkness, and a realm
of light. Which is true, but what they don't seem to
recognize is that there are separate realms of
existence in both the light of day, and the darkness
of night.
Yet what the Mormons realize about the nature of
the spiritual realms, is more than most people do!
After all we are unfortunately for the most part living
in a Godless world.
If you care to see a map of those realms, well here it
is..
http://people.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Sefirot/Sefirot.html
bd4u.utah
Alistair Crowley sought his whole life for the reverse image
(hell) of the heavens. Only to go insane trying. What he
failed to realize is that they don't actually exist. The Kabbalah
describes the reverse as a Mirror image. IOW it is but a
reflection and has no dimension to it! It does not actually exist!
Puzzle that for awhile, if you will.
bd4u.utah
As many point out, what God of love, would create a HELL.
The answer is quite simple, HE didn't!

bd4u.utah
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The only truth you know is your own! And to you that is
the only truth you will ever know, unless you open your eyes.
Best of luck to you!
bd4u.utah
And why are you so sure your eyes are open?  
Hehh, because there is not a single prejudice bone
in my body. I don't allow personal differences to
cloud my judgement.
Bruce, the definition of prejudice is  : preconceived judgment or
opinion  : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds
or before sufficient knowledge,... considering this, are you so sure
you are not prejudiced?
Post by bd4u.utah
I am not a bigot, I know all to well that the world
is so much bigger than I am, and I can't absorb
it if I shut my senses (close my mind)  to it.
I've been where you are at,...man is that he may have joy, and I enjoy
life.  Life is not a joy when you pinch your mind down to print on a
page,...life is much more.
Post by bd4u.utah
We were designed to be all that we can be.
Why would I create limitations, when God
doesn't.
Isn't this what I been trying to get across to you?
You limit your understanding to the physical
world.
Not true, Bruce, I've told you before that I was active in church for
60 years.  That is more spiritual exposure than many people have had,
probably including you.
You yourself claim that the spiritual world (heaven)
you have no evidence of, and ask why you should
believe it? You question the existence of the  Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao). Referred to by the Jews as "Gods
Divine presence on the earth". So which is it, are
you "spiritual" or NOT!
You DO know I hope, that religious exposure
is not the same thing as "spiritual" exposure.
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I on the other hand do NOT! According to
sources,
we have 9 bodies only one of them is
physical.
And those sources areS?
Which ones? Almost every religion on the
face of the earth recognizes them. I'm so
sorry if the Mormon's DON'T, and that you
spent 60 years just learning about Mormonism.
It's a BIG world out there, ya know!
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bd4u.utah
BTW: The above is not to suggest that Mormonism
is wrong, simply that they do not know all that there
is to know about the Spiritual realms. The Mormons
claim that there is a realm of darkness, and a realm
of light. Which is true, but what they don't seem to
recognize is that there are separate realms of
existence in both the light of day, and the darkness
of night.
Yet what the Mormons realize about the nature of
the spiritual realms, is more than most people do!
After all we are unfortunately for the most part living
in a Godless world.
If you care to see a map of those realms, well here it
is..
http://people.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Sefirot/Sefirot.html
bd4u.utah
Alistair Crowley sought his whole life for the reverse image
(hell) of the heavens. Only to go insane trying. What he
failed to realize is that they don't actually exist. The Kabbalah
describes the reverse as a Mirror image. IOW it is but a
reflection and has no dimension to it! It does not actually exist!
Puzzle that for awhile, if you will.
bd4u.utah
As many point out, what God of love, would create a HELL.
The answer is quite simple, HE didn't!
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There is not evidence that either Heaven or Hell exists.
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The only truth you know is your own! And to you that is
the only truth you will ever know, unless you open your eyes.
Best of luck to you!
bd4u.utah
And why are you so sure your eyes are open?  
Hehh, because there is not a single prejudice bone
in my body. I don't allow personal differences to
cloud my judgement.
Bruce, the definition of prejudice is  : preconceived judgment or
opinion  : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds
or before sufficient knowledge,... considering this, are you so sure
you are not prejudiced?
Post by bd4u.utah
I am not a bigot, I know all to well that the world
is so much bigger than I am, and I can't absorb
it if I shut my senses (close my mind)  to it.
I've been where you are at,...man is that he may have joy, and I enjoy
life.  Life is not a joy when you pinch your mind down to print on a
page,...life is much more.
Post by bd4u.utah
We were designed to be all that we can be.
Why would I create limitations, when God
doesn't.
Isn't this what I been trying to get across to you?
You limit your understanding to the physical
world.
Not true, Bruce, I've told you before that I was active in church for
60 years.  That is more spiritual exposure than many people have had,
probably including you.
You yourself claim that the spiritual world (heaven)
you have no evidence of, and ask why you should
believe it? You question the existence of the  Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao). Referred to by the Jews as "Gods
Divine presence on the earth". So which is it, are
you "spiritual" or NOT!
You DO know I hope, that religious exposure
is not the same thing as "spiritual" exposure.
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I on the other hand do NOT! According to
sources,
we have 9 bodies only one of them is
physical.
And those sources areS?
Which ones? Almost every religion on the
face of the earth recognizes them. I'm so
sorry if the Mormon's DON'T, and that you
spent 60 years just learning about Mormonism.
It's a BIG world out there, ya know!
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bd4u.utah
BTW: The above is not to suggest that Mormonism
is wrong, simply that they do not know all that there
is to know about the Spiritual realms. The Mormons
claim that there is a realm of darkness, and a realm
of light. Which is true, but what they don't seem to
recognize is that there are separate realms of
existence in both the light of day, and the darkness
of night.
Yet what the Mormons realize about the nature of
the spiritual realms, is more than most people do!
After all we are unfortunately for the most part living
in a Godless world.
If you care to see a map of those realms, well here it
is..
http://people.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Sefirot/Sefirot.html
bd4u.utah
Alistair Crowley sought his whole life for the reverse image
(hell) of the heavens. Only to go insane trying. What he
failed to realize is that they don't actually exist. The Kabbalah
describes the reverse as a Mirror image. IOW it is but a
reflection and has no dimension to it! It does not actually exist!
Puzzle that for awhile, if you will.
bd4u.utah
As many point out, what God of love, would create a HELL.
The answer is quite simple, HE didn't!
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There is not evidence that either Heaven or Hell exists.
Sure there is. Heaven is a state of being, a state of being
HAPPY! Everyone experiences it at some point in their
life. Are you suggesting that you haven't?

Buddhism refers to this state as Nirvana, and anybody
can achieve it at any time. Especially through intense
prayer or meditation.

We already have the tools to do so, the difficulty is
in maintaining it all the time.

bd4u.utah
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Alistair Crowley sought his whole life for the reverse image
(hell) of the heavens. Only to go insane trying. What he
failed to realize is that they don't actually exist. The Kabbalah
describes the reverse as a Mirror image. IOW it is but a
reflection and has no dimension to it! It does not actually exist!
Puzzle that for awhile, if you will.
Crowley was a habitual drug user and also maintained a meticulous
record of his drug-induced experiences with opium, cocaine, hashish,
cannabis, alcohol, ether, mescaline, morphine, and heroin. Allan
Bennett, Crowley's mentor, was said to have "instructed Crowley in the
magical use of drugs." I won't waste my time puzzling anything
Crowley stated.
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Alistair Crowley sought his whole life for the reverse image
(hell) of the heavens. Only to go insane trying. What he
failed to realize is that they don't actually exist. The Kabbalah
describes the reverse as a Mirror image. IOW it is but a
reflection and has no dimension to it! It does not actually exist!
Puzzle that for awhile, if you will.
Crowley was a habitual drug user and also maintained a meticulous
record of his drug-induced experiences with opium, cocaine, hashish,
cannabis, alcohol, ether, mescaline, morphine, and heroin. Allan
Bennett, Crowley's mentor, was said to have "instructed Crowley in the
magical use of drugs."  I won't waste my time puzzling anything
Crowley stated.
Dude, go get educated. I wasn't promoting Crowley,
I was disputing his experience. And simply claiming
that he was a druggie, doesn't dispute his findings
on anything. Did you ever go to college? The way you
make use of punitive statements to support your
arguments makes me wonder.
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bd4u.utah
BTW: The above is not to suggest that Mormonism
is wrong, simply that they do not know all that there
is to know about the Spiritual realms. The Mormons
claim that there is a realm of darkness, and a realm
of light. Which is true, but what they don't seem to
recognize is that there are separate realms of
existence in both the light of day, and the darkness
of night.
The Mormon people are friendly and kind people, but what they believe
is not true and I can prove it by their own document. The believe
that God had a man use seer stones, magic hat, and magic breastplate
to translate golden plates is an insult to any supreme being.
Post by bd4u.utah
Yet what the Mormons realize about the nature of
the spiritual realms, is more than most people do!
After all we are unfortunately for the most part living
in a Godless world.
It is a Godless world because there is no God,...live with it.
Post by bd4u.utah
If you care to see a map of those realms, well here it
is..
http://people.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Sefirot/Sefirot.html
I went to your link and made no sense to me at all. It was, to me,
childish words and comments.
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bd4u.utah
BTW: The above is not to suggest that Mormonism
is wrong, simply that they do not know all that there
is to know about the Spiritual realms. The Mormons
claim that there is a realm of darkness, and a realm
of light. Which is true, but what they don't seem to
recognize is that there are separate realms of
existence in both the light of day, and the darkness
of night.
The Mormon people are friendly and kind people, but what they believe
is not true and I can prove it by their own document.  The believe
that God had a man use seer stones, magic hat, and magic breastplate
to translate golden plates is an insult to any supreme being.
You by your own admission wouldn't know a supreme being
if he stood right there before you. Which one day he will
if for no other reason than to prove your assumptions WRONG!
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Yet what the Mormons realize about the nature of
the spiritual realms, is more than most people do!
After all we are unfortunately for the most part living
in a Godless world.
It is a Godless world because there is no God,...live with it.
IOW your 60 years of studying religion, was a wasted experience.
You would not be the first person who did that!
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If you care to see a map of those realms, well here it
is..
http://people.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Sefirot/Sefirot.html
I went to your link and made no sense to me at all.  It was, to me,
childish words and comments.
IOW you are too complicated to understand simple
equations in a storyboard format. Too bad...
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The only truth you know is your own! And to you that is
the only truth you will ever know, unless you open your eyes.
Best of luck to you!
bd4u.utah
And why are you so sure your eyes are open?  
Hehh, because there is not a single prejudice bone
in my body. I don't allow personal differences to
cloud my judgement.
Bruce, the definition of prejudice is  : preconceived judgment or
opinion  : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds
or before sufficient knowledge,... considering this, are you so sure
you are not prejudiced?
Post by bd4u.utah
I am not a bigot, I know all to well that the world
is so much bigger than I am, and I can't absorb
it if I shut my senses (close my mind)  to it.
I've been where you are at,...man is that he may have joy, and I enjoy
life.  Life is not a joy when you pinch your mind down to print on a
page,...life is much more.
Post by bd4u.utah
We were designed to be all that we can be.
Why would I create limitations, when God
doesn't.
Isn't this what I been trying to get across to you?
You limit your understanding to the physical
world.
Not true, Bruce, I've told you before that I was active in church for
60 years.  That is more spiritual exposure than many people have had,
probably including you.
You yourself claim that the spiritual world (heaven)
you have no evidence of, and ask why you should
believe it? You question the existence of the  Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao). Referred to by the Jews as "Gods
Divine presence on the earth". So which is it, are
you "spiritual" or NOT!
I do not believe in the spiritual world, (Heaven).
Post by bd4u.utah
You DO know I hope, that religious exposure
is not the same thing as "spiritual" exposure.
All churches claim religious exposure is the same as "spiritual"
exposure.
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I on the other hand do NOT! According to
sources,
we have 9 bodies only one of them is
physical.
I know nothing about other bodies.
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And those sources areS?
Which ones? Almost every religion on the
face of the earth recognizes them. I'm so
sorry if the Mormon's DON'T, and that you
spent 60 years just learning about Mormonism.
I didn't lean 'just' about Mormonism, I have a Associate of Arts in
Christian Studies degree.
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It's a BIG world out there, ya know!
Sonny, I've raised three children, have 13 grandchildren, 5 great
grandchildren, fought in WW II, I think I know the size of the world
out there, ya know!
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The only truth you know is your own! And to you that is
the only truth you will ever know, unless you open your eyes.
Best of luck to you!
bd4u.utah
And why are you so sure your eyes are open?  
Hehh, because there is not a single prejudice bone
in my body. I don't allow personal differences to
cloud my judgement.
Bruce, the definition of prejudice is  : preconceived judgment or
opinion  : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds
or before sufficient knowledge,... considering this, are you so sure
you are not prejudiced?
Post by bd4u.utah
I am not a bigot, I know all to well that the world
is so much bigger than I am, and I can't absorb
it if I shut my senses (close my mind)  to it.
I've been where you are at,...man is that he may have joy, and I enjoy
life.  Life is not a joy when you pinch your mind down to print on a
page,...life is much more.
Post by bd4u.utah
We were designed to be all that we can be.
Why would I create limitations, when God
doesn't.
Isn't this what I been trying to get across to you?
You limit your understanding to the physical
world.
Not true, Bruce, I've told you before that I was active in church for
60 years.  That is more spiritual exposure than many people have had,
probably including you.
You yourself claim that the spiritual world (heaven)
you have no evidence of, and ask why you should
believe it? You question the existence of the  Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao). Referred to by the Jews as "Gods
Divine presence on the earth". So which is it, are
you "spiritual" or NOT!
I do not believe in the spiritual world, (Heaven).
Post by bd4u.utah
You DO know I hope, that religious exposure
is not the same thing as "spiritual" exposure.
All churches claim religious exposure is the same as "spiritual"
exposure.
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I on the other hand do NOT! According to
sources,
we have 9 bodies only one of them is
physical.
I know nothing about other bodies.
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And those sources areS?
Which ones? Almost every religion on the
face of the earth recognizes them. I'm so
sorry if the Mormon's DON'T, and that you
spent 60 years just learning about Mormonism.
I didn't lean 'just' about Mormonism, I have a Associate of Arts in
Christian Studies degree.
Please note: There are NO Christian news groups in the
list, and for GOOD reason too!
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It's a BIG world out there, ya know!
Sonny, I've raised three children, have 13 grandchildren, 5 great
grandchildren, fought in WW II, I think I know the size of the world
out there, ya know!
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The only truth you know is your own! And to you that is
the only truth you will ever know, unless you open your eyes.
Best of luck to you!
bd4u.utah
And why are you so sure your eyes are open?  
Hehh, because there is not a single prejudice bone
in my body. I don't allow personal differences to
cloud my judgement.
Bruce, the definition of prejudice is  : preconceived judgment or
opinion  : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds
or before sufficient knowledge,... considering this, are you so sure
you are not prejudiced?
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I am not a bigot, I know all to well that the world
is so much bigger than I am, and I can't absorb
it if I shut my senses (close my mind)  to it.
I've been where you are at,...man is that he may have joy, and I enjoy
life.  Life is not a joy when you pinch your mind down to print on a
page,...life is much more.
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We were designed to be all that we can be.
Why would I create limitations, when God
doesn't.
Isn't this what I been trying to get across to you?
You limit your understanding to the physical
world.
Not true, Bruce, I've told you before that I was active in church for
60 years.  That is more spiritual exposure than many people have had,
probably including you.
You yourself claim that the spiritual world (heaven)
you have no evidence of, and ask why you should
believe it? You question the existence of the  Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao). Referred to by the Jews as "Gods
Divine presence on the earth". So which is it, are
you "spiritual" or NOT!
I do not believe in the spiritual world, (Heaven).
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You DO know I hope, that religious exposure
is not the same thing as "spiritual" exposure.
All churches claim religious exposure is the same as "spiritual"
exposure.
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I on the other hand do NOT! According to
sources,
we have 9 bodies only one of them is
physical.
I know nothing about other bodies.
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And those sources areS?
Which ones? Almost every religion on the
face of the earth recognizes them. I'm so
sorry if the Mormon's DON'T, and that you
spent 60 years just learning about Mormonism.
I didn't lean 'just' about Mormonism, I have a Associate of Arts in
Christian Studies degree.
Please note: There are NO Christian news groups in the
list, and for GOOD reason too!
..and before you get your panties in a bind, let me clearly
state the reason there is not any "Christian" newsgroups
in the list is because I am attempting to create a thread
of common understanding, I am NOT here to create
discontent, contention or a "flamewar" unlike some people
who all they want to do is argue moot points, and throw
insults.

bd4u.utah
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It's a BIG world out there, ya know!
Sonny, I've raised three children, have 13 grandchildren, 5 great
grandchildren, fought in WW II, I think I know the size of the world
out there, ya know!
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In comparison with the Zohar, Lurianic teachings regarding the soul
were far more elaborate.  In one teaching the formation of the soul
recapitulates the process of cosmic emanation and contributes towards
"Just as the supernal lights of the partzufim of Atzilut develop
through conjunctions and "couplings" (zivvugim) of the parztufim, so
are the souls born through a corresponding process.  Within the
Sefirah Malkut of each parztuf are...souls in a potential state that
ascend...and are actualised as a result of the "unions" of the
(higher) Sefirot.  At the outset these souls exist only in the state
of "female waters" (mayyim nukbin); that is, they are passive
potencies that...lack harmony and form....Only through additional
"couplings" of...Ze'er Anpin with its female counterpart or Nukvah do
they receieve the actual structure of souls.  With each new arousal of
the "female waters" in these parztufim, new opportunities arise for
the creation of souls.  Such a process occurs in all four worlds....,
the possible variation in modes of souls being practically infinite.
Each of these souls recapitualtes...the structure of the worlds
through which it passed (when)...being created, so that when it
descends to enter a body in this world it will be able to work towards
the latter's tikkun...and, to some extent,...the uplifting of the
higher worlds as well."
 [Kabbalah, pp.161-2]
BTW: What you have there is NOT the Kabbalah, it is commentary
on the Kabbalah. There has been many people commenting on
the Kabbalah over the years. The Kabbalah itself is very brief
and contains 4 schematics, along with 4 books. Do you understand
what the commentary above is suggesting? I doubt it.

For good commentary on the Kabbalah I suggest that you read
the Babylonian Talmud.

The Tora, Kabbalah, and Talmud were designed to be read
together, not separate and apart.

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Bruce Daniel-<SLAP>
LOL, yer so full of it. I'm not preaching anything. I'm simply
telling the truth as I know of it.
I can see that your momma and dadda didn't raise you
right. You go around slapping people, just like you slap
your kids, and your momma
and dadda slapped each other around.
Yeah, that kinda thing runs in the family. You learn
it from your parents, and then pass it on to your kids.
It's very unfortunate that Just because people are
Mormon that their marriages are not all the same
in edifying others instead of tearing them down!
P.S. The ONLY reason I am "active" in the LDS
Church is because that is where the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) wants me to be at this time. Too
bad you can't see it that way. Or maybe you would
be "active" too!
There are a lot of good people in the Mormon religion,
and I can see clearly why you both left!
** =3D3DA0No one likes to admit they were sold a bill of goods.
--
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Apparently NOT! Simply hitting to close to home
apparently. Most people, are more honest than NOT!
It's the Christian way!
** =3DA0the only type of prevarication proscribed by the Ten Comma=
ndmsnts i=3D
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calumny. =3DA0General purpose lying isn't. =3DA0
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Drilled into us, since we were
all youngsters. Even though other cultures, and other
beliefs claim otherwise.
Ya know I was thinking the other day. If you were in
Germany at the height of Hitlers Antisemitism, if you
were hiding a Jew in your basement, and the Gestapo
stopped you to ask if you knew where any Jews were.
What would you tell them? The truth, or a lie?
** =3DA0I don't know.
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would cause a person to loose their life, to lie would save their
life. =A0The correct decision seems obvious to me.
** =A0The troubling thing about Mormonism is: =A0
"It does not matter that the criticism is true ."
=A0-- =A0LDS "Apostle" Dallin H. Oaks
"Some things that are true are not very useful."
- Boyd K. Packer, =A0LDS "Apostle"
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
....and then you have Paul H. Dunn and his lies.
You still don't get it do you?
Nope
Post by bd4u.utah
Everybody lies, some just don't
want to admit to it.
Everybody would include God, Jesus, you and Moon,...right?
Post by bd4u.utah
Every lie is based on the truth, and the
truth is relative.
Not true, the truth is definitive. It either is or is not.
Post by bd4u.utah
What is true for some people is not true
for others.
If the truth is not true for others, it is not the truth !
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You yourself claim that the Kabbalah is a "legend",
a myth, do you also claim it to be a lie, simply because for
you it does not work?
Yes. Following is an example of the teaching of the Kabbalah, and as
one can see, it is jibberish.
In comparison with the Zohar, Lurianic teachings regarding the soul
were far more elaborate. In one teaching the formation of the soul
recapitulates the process of cosmic emanation and contributes towards
"Just as the supernal lights of the partzufim of Atzilut develop
through conjunctions and "couplings" (zivvugim) of the parztufim, so
are the souls born through a corresponding process. Within the
Sefirah Malkut of each parztuf are...souls in a potential state that
ascend...and are actualised as a result of the "unions" of the
(higher) Sefirot. At the outset these souls exist only in the state
of "female waters" (mayyim nukbin); that is, they are passive
potencies that...lack harmony and form....Only through additional
"couplings" of...Ze'er Anpin with its female counterpart or Nukvah do
they receieve the actual structure of souls. With each new arousal of
the "female waters" in these parztufim, new opportunities arise for
the creation of souls. Such a process occurs in all four worlds....,
the possible variation in modes of souls being practically infinite.
Each of these souls recapitualtes...the structure of the worlds
through which it passed (when)...being created, so that when it
descends to enter a body in this world it will be able to work towards
the latter's tikkun...and, to some extent,...the uplifting of the
higher worlds as well."
[Kabbalah, pp.161-2]
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That does not mean it is not true
for others. Everyone has their own truth, whether it works
for them or not is the question.
If something is false, then it is false for everyone !
Post by bd4u.utah
Do you know WHY the Mormon Church (or for that matter
any fraternal/maternal organization) holds certain meetings
in private? It is in order to keep the believers informed, not
the doubters and the skeptics.
Yes, I was friends with Apostle Hugh B. Brown's son. His father told
him what goes on in the private meetings, and it is not what the
members think goes on!
Post by bd4u.utah
I have been to the Stake meetings, and seen the General
Conference of the Mormons, and I can see why it is not
open to the public. Many simply wouldn't, couldn't
appreciate it. They would find some reason to doubt,
and become suspicious over it. Not that they would have
a reason, but because they would find one.
I can see why they are not open to the public either. Take a look a
Joseph F. Smith senate testimony in the Reed Smoot case,
http://www.waynesimister.mysite.com/smith.htm. The President didn't
have time to have prophesies, he was too greedy owning many
businesses.
Post by bd4u.utah
The same thing with the Kabbalah, it was hidden away
by the Jews and still is, with it's true meaning known
only to those that do not doubt it's origins, or it's
powers.
Why oh why cast pearls before swine? For the swine
know not the value of such an item, out of ignorance
and ill-respect they would trample it into the ground.
Such is the value of true understanding and knowledge.
discrimination, polygamy, murder, polyandry, suicide, lies, false
prophesies, death atonement, bank fraud, etc., all part of the history
of the LDS and other churches. The brethren wouldn't want to loose
these things!!!
** Polyandry is pretty much uniques to the LdS church.
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Bruce Daniel-<SLAP>
LOL, yer so full of it. I'm not preaching anything. I'm simply
telling the truth as I know of it.
I can see that your momma and dadda didn't raise you
right. You go around slapping people, just like you slap
your kids, and your momma
and dadda slapped each other around.
Yeah, that kinda thing runs in the family. You learn
it from your parents, and then pass it on to your kids.
It's very unfortunate that Just because people are
Mormon that their marriages are not all the same
in edifying others instead of tearing them down!
P.S. The ONLY reason I am "active" in the LDS
Church is because that is where the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) wants me to be at this time. Too
bad you can't see it that way. Or maybe you would
be "active" too!
There are a lot of good people in the Mormon religion,
and I can see clearly why you both left!
** =3D3DA0No one likes to admit they were sold a bill of goods.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =3D3DA0805-386-3734,www.somis.org
Apparently NOT! Simply hitting to close to home
apparently. Most people, are more honest than NOT!
It's the Christian way!
** =3DA0the only type of prevarication proscribed by the Ten Comma=
ndmsnts i=3D
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calumny. =3DA0General purpose lying isn't. =3DA0
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Drilled into us, since we were
all youngsters. Even though other cultures, and other
beliefs claim otherwise.
Ya know I was thinking the other day. If you were in
Germany at the height of Hitlers Antisemitism, if you
were hiding a Jew in your basement, and the Gestapo
stopped you to ask if you knew where any Jews were.
What would you tell them? The truth, or a lie?
** =3DA0I don't know.
--
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Salutations de la France ! =A0I know what I would do, to tell the tr=
uth
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would cause a person to loose their life, to lie would save their
life. =A0The correct decision seems obvious to me.
** =A0The troubling thing about Mormonism is: =A0
"It does not matter that the criticism is true ."
=A0-- =A0LDS "Apostle" Dallin H. Oaks
"Some things that are true are not very useful."
- Boyd K. Packer, =A0LDS "Apostle"
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
....and then you have Paul H. Dunn and his lies.
You still don't get it do you?
Nope
Post by bd4u.utah
Everybody lies, some just don't
want to admit to it.
Everybody would include God, Jesus, you and Moon,...right?
Post by bd4u.utah
Every lie is based on the truth, and the
truth is relative.
Not true, the truth is definitive.  It either is or is not.
Post by bd4u.utah
What is true for some people is not true
for others.
If the truth is not true for others, it is not the truth !
Post by bd4u.utah
You yourself claim that the Kabbalah is a "legend",
a myth, do you also claim it to be a lie, simply because for
you it does not work?
Yes.  Following is an example of the teaching of the Kabbalah, and as
one can see, it is jibberish.
In comparison with the Zohar, Lurianic teachings regarding the soul
were far more elaborate.  In one teaching the formation of the soul
recapitulates the process of cosmic emanation and contributes towards
"Just as the supernal lights of the partzufim of Atzilut develop
through conjunctions and "couplings" (zivvugim) of the parztufim, so
are the souls born through a corresponding process.  Within the
Sefirah Malkut of each parztuf are...souls in a potential state that
ascend...and are actualised as a result of the "unions" of the
(higher) Sefirot.  At the outset these souls exist only in the state
of "female waters" (mayyim nukbin); that is, they are passive
potencies that...lack harmony and form....Only through additional
"couplings" of...Ze'er Anpin with its female counterpart or Nukvah do
they receieve the actual structure of souls.  With each new arousal of
the "female waters" in these parztufim, new opportunities arise for
the creation of souls.  Such a process occurs in all four worlds....,
the possible variation in modes of souls being practically infinite.
Each of these souls recapitualtes...the structure of the worlds
through which it passed (when)...being created, so that when it
descends to enter a body in this world it will be able to work towards
the latter's tikkun...and, to some extent,...the uplifting of the
higher worlds as well."
[Kabbalah, pp.161-2]
Post by bd4u.utah
That does not mean it is not true
for others. Everyone has their own truth, whether it works
for them or not is the question.
If something is false, then it is false for everyone !
Post by bd4u.utah
Do you know WHY the Mormon Church (or for that matter
any fraternal/maternal organization) holds certain meetings
in private? It is in order to keep the believers informed, not
the doubters and the skeptics.
Yes, I was friends with Apostle Hugh B. Brown's son.  His father told
him what goes on in the private meetings, and it is not what the
members think goes on!
Post by bd4u.utah
I have been to the Stake meetings, and seen the General
Conference of the Mormons, and I can see why it is not
open to the public. Many simply wouldn't, couldn't
appreciate it. They would find some reason to doubt,
and become suspicious over it. Not that they would have
a reason, but because they would find one.
I can see why they are not open to the public either.  Take a look a
Joseph F. Smith senate testimony in the Reed Smoot case,
http://www.waynesimister.mysite.com/smith.htm.  The President didn't
have time to have prophesies, he was too greedy owning many
businesses.
Post by bd4u.utah
The same thing with the Kabbalah, it was hidden away
by the Jews and still is, with it's true meaning known
only to those that do not doubt it's origins, or it's
powers.
Why oh why cast pearls before swine? For the swine
know not the value of such an item, out of ignorance
and ill-respect they would trample it into the ground.
Such is the value of true understanding and knowledge.
discrimination, polygamy, murder, polyandry, suicide, lies, false
prophesies, death atonement, bank fraud, etc., all part of the history
of the LDS and other churches.  The brethren wouldn't want to loose
these things!!!
**  Polyandry is pretty much uniques to the LdS church.  
True,...there are a lot of practices 'unique' in the LDS church !!!
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telling the truth as I know of it.
I can see that your momma and dadda didn't raise you
right. You go around slapping people, just like you slap
your kids, and your momma
and dadda slapped each other around.
Yeah, that kinda thing runs in the family. You learn
it from your parents, and then pass it on to your kids.
It's very unfortunate that Just because people are
Mormon that their marriages are not all the same
in edifying others instead of tearing them down!
P.S. The ONLY reason I am "active" in the LDS
Church is because that is where the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) wants me to be at this time. Too
bad you can't see it that way. Or maybe you would
be "active" too!
There are a lot of good people in the Mormon religion,
and I can see clearly why you both left!
** =3D3D3DA0No one likes to admit they were sold a bill of g=
oods.
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Apparently NOT! Simply hitting to close to home
apparently. Most people, are more honest than NOT!
It's the Christian way!
** =3D3DA0the only type of prevarication proscribed by the Ten =
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Drilled into us, since we were
all youngsters. Even though other cultures, and other
beliefs claim otherwise.
Ya know I was thinking the other day. If you were in
Germany at the height of Hitlers Antisemitism, if you
were hiding a Jew in your basement, and the Gestapo
stopped you to ask if you knew where any Jews were.
What would you tell them? The truth, or a lie?
** =3D3DA0I don't know.
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would cause a person to loose their life, to lie would save their
life. =3DA0The correct decision seems obvious to me.
** =3DA0The troubling thing about Mormonism is: =3DA0
"It does not matter that the criticism is true ."
=3DA0-- =3DA0LDS "Apostle" Dallin H. Oaks
"Some things that are true are not very useful."
- Boyd K. Packer, =3DA0LDS "Apostle"
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Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =3DA0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
....and then you have Paul H. Dunn and his lies.
You still don't get it do you?
Nope
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Everybody lies, some just don't
want to admit to it.
Everybody would include God, Jesus, you and Moon,...right?
Post by bd4u.utah
Every lie is based on the truth, and the
truth is relative.
Not true, the truth is definitive. =A0It either is or is not.
Post by bd4u.utah
What is true for some people is not true
for others.
If the truth is not true for others, it is not the truth !
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You yourself claim that the Kabbalah is a "legend",
a myth, do you also claim it to be a lie, simply because for
you it does not work?
Yes. =A0Following is an example of the teaching of the Kabbalah, and as
one can see, it is jibberish.
In comparison with the Zohar, Lurianic teachings regarding the soul
were far more elaborate. =A0In one teaching the formation of the soul
recapitulates the process of cosmic emanation and contributes towards
"Just as the supernal lights of the partzufim of Atzilut develop
through conjunctions and "couplings" (zivvugim) of the parztufim, so
are the souls born through a corresponding process. =A0Within the
Sefirah Malkut of each parztuf are...souls in a potential state that
ascend...and are actualised as a result of the "unions" of the
(higher) Sefirot. =A0At the outset these souls exist only in the state
of "female waters" (mayyim nukbin); that is, they are passive
potencies that...lack harmony and form....Only through additional
"couplings" of...Ze'er Anpin with its female counterpart or Nukvah do
they receieve the actual structure of souls. =A0With each new arousal of
the "female waters" in these parztufim, new opportunities arise for
the creation of souls. =A0Such a process occurs in all four worlds....,
the possible variation in modes of souls being practically infinite.
Each of these souls recapitualtes...the structure of the worlds
through which it passed (when)...being created, so that when it
descends to enter a body in this world it will be able to work towards
the latter's tikkun...and, to some extent,...the uplifting of the
higher worlds as well."
[Kabbalah, pp.161-2]
Post by bd4u.utah
That does not mean it is not true
for others. Everyone has their own truth, whether it works
for them or not is the question.
If something is false, then it is false for everyone !
Post by bd4u.utah
Do you know WHY the Mormon Church (or for that matter
any fraternal/maternal organization) holds certain meetings
in private? It is in order to keep the believers informed, not
the doubters and the skeptics.
Yes, I was friends with Apostle Hugh B. Brown's son. =A0His father told
him what goes on in the private meetings, and it is not what the
members think goes on!
Post by bd4u.utah
I have been to the Stake meetings, and seen the General
Conference of the Mormons, and I can see why it is not
open to the public. Many simply wouldn't, couldn't
appreciate it. They would find some reason to doubt,
and become suspicious over it. Not that they would have
a reason, but because they would find one.
I can see why they are not open to the public either. =A0Take a look a
Joseph F. Smith senate testimony in the Reed Smoot case,
http://www.waynesimister.mysite.com/smith.htm. =A0The President didn't
have time to have prophesies, he was too greedy owning many
businesses.
Post by bd4u.utah
The same thing with the Kabbalah, it was hidden away
by the Jews and still is, with it's true meaning known
only to those that do not doubt it's origins, or it's
powers.
Why oh why cast pearls before swine? For the swine
know not the value of such an item, out of ignorance
and ill-respect they would trample it into the ground.
Such is the value of true understanding and knowledge.
discrimination, polygamy, murder, polyandry, suicide, lies, false
prophesies, death atonement, bank fraud, etc., all part of the history
of the LDS and other churches. =A0The brethren wouldn't want to loose
these things!!!
** =A0Polyandry is pretty much unique to the LdS church. =A0
True,...there are a lot of practices 'unique' in the LDS church !!!
** Indeed. The figleaf apron is one of my favorites.
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telling the truth as I know of it.
I can see that your momma and dadda didn't raise you
right. You go around slapping people, just like you slap
your kids, and your momma
and dadda slapped each other around.
Yeah, that kinda thing runs in the family. You learn
it from your parents, and then pass it on to your kids.
It's very unfortunate that Just because people are
Mormon that their marriages are not all the same
in edifying others instead of tearing them down!
P.S. The ONLY reason I am "active" in the LDS
Church is because that is where the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) wants me to be at this time. Too
bad you can't see it that way. Or maybe you would
be "active" too!
There are a lot of good people in the Mormon religion,
and I can see clearly why you both left!
** =3D3D3DA0No one likes to admit they were sold a bill of g=
oods.
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Apparently NOT! Simply hitting to close to home
apparently. Most people, are more honest than NOT!
It's the Christian way!
** =3D3DA0the only type of prevarication proscribed by the Ten =
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calumny. =3D3DA0General purpose lying isn't. =3D3DA0
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Drilled into us, since we were
all youngsters. Even though other cultures, and other
beliefs claim otherwise.
Ya know I was thinking the other day. If you were in
Germany at the height of Hitlers Antisemitism, if you
were hiding a Jew in your basement, and the Gestapo
stopped you to ask if you knew where any Jews were.
What would you tell them? The truth, or a lie?
** =3D3DA0I don't know.
--
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Salutations de la France ! =3DA0I know what I would do, to tell t=
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uth
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would cause a person to loose their life, to lie would save their
life. =3DA0The correct decision seems obvious to me.
** =3DA0The troubling thing about Mormonism is: =3DA0
"It does not matter that the criticism is true ."
=3DA0-- =3DA0LDS "Apostle" Dallin H. Oaks
"Some things that are true are not very useful."
- Boyd K. Packer, =3DA0LDS "Apostle"
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....and then you have Paul H. Dunn and his lies.
You still don't get it do you?
Nope
Post by bd4u.utah
Everybody lies, some just don't
want to admit to it.
Everybody would include God, Jesus, you and Moon,...right?
Post by bd4u.utah
Every lie is based on the truth, and the
truth is relative.
Not true, the truth is definitive. =A0It either is or is not.
Post by bd4u.utah
What is true for some people is not true
for others.
If the truth is not true for others, it is not the truth !
Post by bd4u.utah
You yourself claim that the Kabbalah is a "legend",
a myth, do you also claim it to be a lie, simply because for
you it does not work?
Yes. =A0Following is an example of the teaching of the Kabbalah, and as
one can see, it is jibberish.
In comparison with the Zohar, Lurianic teachings regarding the soul
were far more elaborate. =A0In one teaching the formation of the soul
recapitulates the process of cosmic emanation and contributes towards
"Just as the supernal lights of the partzufim of Atzilut develop
through conjunctions and "couplings" (zivvugim) of the parztufim, so
are the souls born through a corresponding process. =A0Within the
Sefirah Malkut of each parztuf are...souls in a potential state that
ascend...and are actualised as a result of the "unions" of the
(higher) Sefirot. =A0At the outset these souls exist only in the state
of "female waters" (mayyim nukbin); that is, they are passive
potencies that...lack harmony and form....Only through additional
"couplings" of...Ze'er Anpin with its female counterpart or Nukvah do
they receieve the actual structure of souls. =A0With each new arousal of
the "female waters" in these parztufim, new opportunities arise for
the creation of souls. =A0Such a process occurs in all four worlds....,
the possible variation in modes of souls being practically infinite.
Each of these souls recapitualtes...the structure of the worlds
through which it passed (when)...being created, so that when it
descends to enter a body in this world it will be able to work towards
the latter's tikkun...and, to some extent,...the uplifting of the
higher worlds as well."
[Kabbalah, pp.161-2]
Post by bd4u.utah
That does not mean it is not true
for others. Everyone has their own truth, whether it works
for them or not is the question.
If something is false, then it is false for everyone !
Post by bd4u.utah
Do you know WHY the Mormon Church (or for that matter
any fraternal/maternal organization) holds certain meetings
in private? It is in order to keep the believers informed, not
the doubters and the skeptics.
Yes, I was friends with Apostle Hugh B. Brown's son. =A0His father told
him what goes on in the private meetings, and it is not what the
members think goes on!
Post by bd4u.utah
I have been to the Stake meetings, and seen the General
Conference of the Mormons, and I can see why it is not
open to the public. Many simply wouldn't, couldn't
appreciate it. They would find some reason to doubt,
and become suspicious over it. Not that they would have
a reason, but because they would find one.
I can see why they are not open to the public either. =A0Take a look a
Joseph F. Smith senate testimony in the Reed Smoot case,
http://www.waynesimister.mysite.com/smith.htm. =A0The President didn't
have time to have prophesies, he was too greedy owning many
businesses.
Post by bd4u.utah
The same thing with the Kabbalah, it was hidden away
by the Jews and still is, with it's true meaning known
only to those that do not doubt it's origins, or it's
powers.
Why oh why cast pearls before swine? For the swine
know not the value of such an item, out of ignorance
and ill-respect they would trample it into the ground.
Such is the value of true understanding and knowledge.
discrimination, polygamy, murder, polyandry, suicide, lies, false
prophesies, death atonement, bank fraud, etc., all part of the history
of the LDS and other churches. =A0The brethren wouldn't want to loose
these things!!!
** =A0Polyandry is pretty much unique to the LdS church. =A0
True,...there are a lot of practices 'unique' in the LDS church !!!
**  Indeed.  The figleaf apron is one of my favorites.
--
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The 'aunt Jemima' temple garmet hat is a riot!

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Bruce Daniel-<SLAP>
LOL, yer so full of it. I'm not preaching anything. I'm simply
telling the truth as I know of it.
I can see that your momma and dadda didn't raise you
right. You go around slapping people, just like you slap
your kids, and your momma
and dadda slapped each other around.
Yeah, that kinda thing runs in the family. You learn
it from your parents, and then pass it on to your kids.
It's very unfortunate that Just because people are
Mormon that their marriages are not all the same
in edifying others instead of tearing them down!
P.S. The ONLY reason I am "active" in the LDS
Church is because that is where the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) wants me to be at this time. Too
bad you can't see it that way. Or maybe you would
be "active" too!
There are a lot of good people in the Mormon religion,
and I can see clearly why you both left!
** =3D3DA0No one likes to admit they were sold a bill of goods.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =3D3DA0805-386-3734,www.somis.org
Apparently NOT! Simply hitting to close to home
apparently. Most people, are more honest than NOT!
It's the Christian way!
** =3DA0the only type of prevarication proscribed by the Ten Command=
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calumny. =3DA0General purpose lying isn't. =3DA0
Post by bd4u.utah
Drilled into us, since we were
all youngsters. Even though other cultures, and other
beliefs claim otherwise.
Ya know I was thinking the other day. If you were in
Germany at the height of Hitlers Antisemitism, if you
were hiding a Jew in your basement, and the Gestapo
stopped you to ask if you knew where any Jews were.
What would you tell them? The truth, or a lie?
** =3DA0I don't know.
--
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Salutations de la France ! =A0I know what I would do, to tell the trut=
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would cause a person to loose their life, to lie would save their
life. =A0The correct decision seems obvious to me.
** =A0The troubling thing about Mormonism is: =A0
"It does not matter that the criticism is true ."
=A0-- =A0LDS "Apostle" Dallin H. Oaks
"Some things that are true are not very useful."
- Boyd K. Packer, =A0LDS "Apostle"
--
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....and then you have Paul H. Dunn and his lies.
You still don't get it do you? Everybody lies, some just don't
want to admit to it. Every lie is based on the truth, and the
truth is relative. What is true for some people is not true
for others. You yourself claim that the Kabbalah is a "legend",
a myth, do you also claim it to be a lie, simply because for
you it does not work? That does not mean it is not true
for others. Everyone has their own truth, whether it works
for them or not is the question.
Do you know WHY the Mormon Church (or for that matter
any fraternal/maternal organization) holds certain meetings
in private? It is in order to keep the believers informed, not
the doubters and the skeptics.
** It's to keep the laity under their thumb.
--
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Bruce Daniel-<SLAP>
LOL, yer so full of it. I'm not preaching anything. I'm simply
telling the truth as I know of it.
I can see that your momma and dadda didn't raise you
right. You go around slapping people, just like you slap
your kids, and your momma
and dadda slapped each other around.
Yeah, that kinda thing runs in the family. You learn
it from your parents, and then pass it on to your kids.
It's very unfortunate that Just because people are
Mormon that their marriages are not all the same
in edifying others instead of tearing them down!
P.S. The ONLY reason I am "active" in the LDS
Church is because that is where the Holy Ghost
(Shekhinah, Tao) wants me to be at this time. Too
bad you can't see it that way. Or maybe you would
be "active" too!
There are a lot of good people in the Mormon religion,
and I can see clearly why you both left!
** =3D3DA0No one likes to admit they were sold a bill of goods.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =3D3DA0805-386-3734,www.somis.org
Apparently NOT! Simply hitting to close to home
apparently. Most people, are more honest than NOT!
It's the Christian way!
** =3DA0the only type of prevarication proscribed by the Ten Commandms=
nts i=3D
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calumny. =3DA0General purpose lying isn't. =3DA0
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Drilled into us, since we were
all youngsters. Even though other cultures, and other
beliefs claim otherwise.
Ya know I was thinking the other day. If you were in
Germany at the height of Hitlers Antisemitism, if you
were hiding a Jew in your basement, and the Gestapo
stopped you to ask if you knew where any Jews were.
What would you tell them? The truth, or a lie?
** =3DA0I don't know.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =3DA0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
Salutations de la France ! =A0I know what I would do, to tell the truth
would cause a person to loose their life, to lie would save their
life. =A0The correct decision seems obvious to me.
** =A0The troubling thing about Mormonism is: =A0
"It does not matter that the criticism is true ."
=A0-- =A0LDS "Apostle" Dallin H. Oaks
"Some things that are true are not very useful."
- Boyd K. Packer, =A0LDS "Apostle"
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
....and then you have Paul H. Dunn and his lies.
** Indeed A -

"Lord, what fools these mortals be!" -- Puck.
--From A Midsummer Night's Dream (Act 3, scene 2 i, 115) by Wm. Shakespeare
--
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So, I don't believe in ANY religion, so you can believe in any God you
wish.
Post by bd4u.utah
At this rate NO Messiah will come, because you each would
kill him out of Jealousy, trying OWN him, or Possess him over
the other Church's which will simply NEVER be!
There you go judging again!  I'm a very peaceful man and do not
believe in killing anyone.
Post by bd4u.utah
The Messiah comes for ALL People, Nations, and Tongues.
Not just the Jews, or the Christians, or the Mormons, or
the Unificationists. Ya'll better get it straight, because God will
simply wait until you do!
Prove it.  This is your belief, not mine.  Ya know, Bruce, you don't
sound much like a religious person in you posts.
Ahem to that Amalthea!,
"Now that bd4u (Bruce Daniel) has admitted to being fully
active in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints?
I really wonder how his Stake President/Bishop/Ward
Congregation/Families he Home Teaches would take it if
they all knew that he's apostatizing the LDS faith and is
now preaching the faith of Sun Myung Moon?!?!?!..."
*definitely a disfellowship or even an excommunication*
(worse scenario is a Divorce with no child custodies)
<goodbye house, goodbye wife, goodbye children, goodbye life>
(all in the name of Sun Myung Moon)
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;-)
Bruce Daniel-<SLAP>
It has happened before! It could happen again!
Rob
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Post by Gigi S.
I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled, EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
As soon as the US Government finishes up with the Catholic Church child
abuse investigations I'm sure they will investigate fools that like to
give tens of thousands of dollars to people that have them hold a couple
of cans with a small electric charge.
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2011-10-02 13:18:01 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:33:28 -0700 (PDT), "Gigi S."
I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
 As soon as the US Government finishes up with the Catholic Church child
abuse investigations I'm sure they will investigate fools that like to
give tens of thousands of dollars to people that have them hold a couple
of cans with a small electric charge.
Only if they take away a persons right to spend their own money
the way they want to!

But if they did that, then the Government couldn't collect taxes,
and Church's couldn't collect tithes. What you are asking for is
impossible.

Spending Money is a Right, Child Abuse is a Crime.
Where did you go to School?

bd4u
a***@yahoo.com
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Post by Rob
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:33:28 -0700 (PDT), "Gigi S."
I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
 As soon as the US Government finishes up with the Catholic Church child
abuse investigations I'm sure they will investigate fools that like to
give tens of thousands of dollars to people that have them hold a couple
of cans with a small electric charge.
Only if they take away a persons right to spend their own money
the way they want to!
But if they did that, then the Government couldn't collect taxes,
and Church's couldn't collect tithes. What you are asking for is
impossible.
Spending Money is a Right, Child Abuse is a Crime.
Where did you go to School?
bd4u
Moon must have read the Book of Mormon when he was young. When he was
15 years old, at Easter, Jesus Christ appeared to him in a vision,
charging him with the responsibility of completing the work in the
world that Jesus had started. During his adult life he has had trouble
with legal authorities, having been arrested for practicing capitalism
(a crime in North Korea), charged (but not convicted) in South Korea
of other activities, and convicted of tax evasion in the United
States.

I think we should put the Mormon Monson and the Unification Moon in a
ring and let them duke it out!
bd4u.utah
2011-10-02 20:56:50 UTC
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Post by Rob
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:33:28 -0700 (PDT), "Gigi S."
I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
 As soon as the US Government finishes up with the Catholic Church child
abuse investigations I'm sure they will investigate fools that like to
give tens of thousands of dollars to people that have them hold a couple
of cans with a small electric charge.
Only if they take away a persons right to spend their own money
the way they want to!
But if they did that, then the Government couldn't collect taxes,
and Church's couldn't collect tithes. What you are asking for is
impossible.
Spending Money is a Right, Child Abuse is a Crime.
Where did you go to School?
bd4u
Moon must have read the Book of Mormon when he was young. When he was
15 years old, at Easter, Jesus Christ appeared to him in a vision,
charging him with the responsibility of completing the work in the
world that Jesus had started. During his adult life he has had trouble
with legal authorities, having been arrested for practicing capitalism
(a crime in North Korea), charged (but not convicted) in South Korea
of other activities, and convicted of tax evasion in the United
States.
I think we should put the Mormon Monson and the Unification Moon in a
ring and let them duke it out!
You would like that wouldn't you? All your
paranoid superstitions of both religions would
then be proven.

Definition:

Paranoia = unreasoning fear of the unknown

Superstition = an irrational belief


bd4u
a***@yahoo.com
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On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:33:28 -0700 (PDT), "Gigi S."
I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
 As soon as the US Government finishes up with the Catholic Church child
abuse investigations I'm sure they will investigate fools that like to
give tens of thousands of dollars to people that have them hold a couple
of cans with a small electric charge.
Only if they take away a persons right to spend their own money
the way they want to!
But if they did that, then the Government couldn't collect taxes,
and Church's couldn't collect tithes. What you are asking for is
impossible.
Spending Money is a Right, Child Abuse is a Crime.
Where did you go to School?
bd4u
Moon must have read the Book of Mormon when he was young. When he was
15 years old, at Easter, Jesus Christ appeared to him in a vision,
charging him with the responsibility of completing the work in the
world that Jesus had started. During his adult life he has had trouble
with legal authorities, having been arrested for practicing capitalism
(a crime in North Korea), charged (but not convicted) in South Korea
of other activities, and convicted of tax evasion in the United
States.
I think we should put the Mormon Monson and the Unification Moon in a
ring and let them duke it out!
You would like that wouldn't you? All your
paranoid superstitions of both religions would
then be proven.
Paranoia = unreasoning fear of the unknown
Superstition = an irrational belief
bd4u-
What would be your method to choose between them?
You believe in a man claiming to the Messiah and you accuse me of
superstition ?????
bd4u.utah
2011-10-02 22:55:00 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:33:28 -0700 (PDT), "Gigi S."
I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
 As soon as the US Government finishes up with the Catholic Church child
abuse investigations I'm sure they will investigate fools that like to
give tens of thousands of dollars to people that have them hold a couple
of cans with a small electric charge.
Only if they take away a persons right to spend their own money
the way they want to!
But if they did that, then the Government couldn't collect taxes,
and Church's couldn't collect tithes. What you are asking for is
impossible.
Spending Money is a Right, Child Abuse is a Crime.
Where did you go to School?
bd4u
Moon must have read the Book of Mormon when he was young. When he was
15 years old, at Easter, Jesus Christ appeared to him in a vision,
charging him with the responsibility of completing the work in the
world that Jesus had started. During his adult life he has had trouble
with legal authorities, having been arrested for practicing capitalism
(a crime in North Korea), charged (but not convicted) in South Korea
of other activities, and convicted of tax evasion in the United
States.
I think we should put the Mormon Monson and the Unification Moon in a
ring and let them duke it out!
You would like that wouldn't you? All your
paranoid superstitions of both religions would
then be proven.
Paranoia = unreasoning fear of the unknown
Superstition = an irrational belief
bd4u-
What would be your method to choose between them?
You believe in a man claiming to the Messiah and you accuse me of
superstition ?????
I never said he was a Messiah, and I don't know
of him ever claiming it either.

Duhhhh, you are really good at believing
what you want, just don't try to pin yer silly
superstitions on me!

bd4u.utah
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2011-10-03 02:32:53 UTC
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Post by Rob
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:33:28 -0700 (PDT), "Gigi S."
I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
 As soon as the US Government finishes up with the Catholic Church child
abuse investigations I'm sure they will investigate fools that like to
give tens of thousands of dollars to people that have them hold a couple
of cans with a small electric charge.
Only if they take away a persons right to spend their own money
the way they want to!
But if they did that, then the Government couldn't collect taxes,
and Church's couldn't collect tithes. What you are asking for is
impossible.
Spending Money is a Right, Child Abuse is a Crime.
Where did you go to School?
bd4u
Moon must have read the Book of Mormon when he was young. When he was
15 years old, at Easter, Jesus Christ appeared to him in a vision,
charging him with the responsibility of completing the work in the
world that Jesus had started. During his adult life he has had trouble
with legal authorities, having been arrested for practicing capitalism
(a crime in North Korea), charged (but not convicted) in South Korea
of other activities, and convicted of tax evasion in the United
States.
I think we should put the Mormon Monson and the Unification Moon in a
ring and let them duke it out!
You would like that wouldn't you? All your
paranoid superstitions of both religions would
then be proven.
Paranoia = unreasoning fear of the unknown
Superstition = an irrational belief
bd4u-
What would be your method to choose between them?
You believe in a man claiming to the Messiah and you accuse me of
superstition ?????
I never said he was a Messiah, and I don't know
of him ever claiming it either.
"Reverend" Sun Myung Moon was crowned "Messiah" on March 13, 2004 in
the Dirksen Senate Office Building in Washington, DC.
The media ignored the Messiah Crowning event at the time except for
Moon's Washington Times which gave it glowing praise. However,
freelance journalist John Gorenfeld spent the next three months
reconstructing the details of the event. His writings forced a
sheepish Washington Post, scooped by Web sites, to cover the Senate
ritual, which The New York Times editorial page compared to "an act of
the Roman emperor Caligula".

Do you denie this is true?
Post by bd4u.utah
Duhhhh, you are really good at believing
what you want, just don't try to pin yer silly
superstitions on me!
Don't go and get paranoid on me now!
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2011-10-03 04:04:09 UTC
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Post by Rob
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:33:28 -0700 (PDT), "Gigi S."
I respectfully ask that you sign that petition titled,  EXAMINE THE
GOVERNMENT’S FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CHURCH OF
SCIENTOLOGY CRIME, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
 As soon as the US Government finishes up with the Catholic Church child
abuse investigations I'm sure they will investigate fools that like to
give tens of thousands of dollars to people that have them hold a couple
of cans with a small electric charge.
Only if they take away a persons right to spend their own money
the way they want to!
But if they did that, then the Government couldn't collect taxes,
and Church's couldn't collect tithes. What you are asking for is
impossible.
Spending Money is a Right, Child Abuse is a Crime.
Where did you go to School?
bd4u
Moon must have read the Book of Mormon when he was young. When he was
15 years old, at Easter, Jesus Christ appeared to him in a vision,
charging him with the responsibility of completing the work in the
world that Jesus had started. During his adult life he has had trouble
with legal authorities, having been arrested for practicing capitalism
(a crime in North Korea), charged (but not convicted) in South Korea
of other activities, and convicted of tax evasion in the United
States.
I think we should put the Mormon Monson and the Unification Moon in a
ring and let them duke it out!
You would like that wouldn't you? All your
paranoid superstitions of both religions would
then be proven.
Paranoia = unreasoning fear of the unknown
Superstition = an irrational belief
bd4u-
What would be your method to choose between them?
You believe in a man claiming to the Messiah and you accuse me of
superstition ?????
I never said he was a Messiah, and I don't know
of him ever claiming it either.
"Reverend" Sun Myung Moon was crowned "Messiah" on March 13, 2004 in
the Dirksen Senate Office Building in Washington, DC.
The media ignored the Messiah Crowning event at the time except for
Moon's Washington Times which gave it glowing praise. However,
freelance journalist John Gorenfeld spent the next three months
reconstructing the details of the event. His writings forced a
sheepish Washington Post, scooped by Web sites, to cover the Senate
ritual, which The New York Times editorial page compared to "an act of
the Roman emperor Caligula".
Do you denie this is true?
Post by bd4u.utah
Duhhhh, you are really good at believing
what you want, just don't try to pin yer silly
superstitions on me!
Don't go and get paranoid on me now!
He wasn't crowned "Messiah", you better go get
your facts straight. They are full of half truths.

I think the Title he was crowned was
"King of the Cosmo's" Maybe he is, I've
made my report before that I wonder if he is
even Human. Stranger things have been
known to happen in this world.

What Sun Myung Moon knows, would take
several lifetimes for the average person to
learn, and to understand. Just because he is
from the Right Pillar, doesn't mean he is
Human. The BoR, claims a Star shall fall from
the Heavens before the Messiah comes.

The only Star in History that I know of that ever
fell from Heaven is Satan. So who would be this
New Star? Heralding and preceding the coming
of a Messiah?

It doesn't mean what I just said is true. But it does
lend itself to answer many questions about SMM.

bd4u.utah
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