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The lord giveth, and the lord taketh away!
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bd4u.utah
2011-10-23 22:24:59 UTC
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Remember Job? He had everything. Lot's of land,
a fine Family, and the love of God. Then the Devil
conspired against Job, to test his love for God.
The Devil said unto God. Of course Job loves
you he has been given everything in life. But would
he still love you if all that he had was taken away.
So the Devil asked God if he might take away
all that Job had to see if it were true or not,
and God allowed it. Yet in spite of all that Job
had lost, and had happened to Job. Job still
loved God.

This is a very important lesson for all people,
and it comes from the OT, not from the NT.
When all is taken from you, it is not a time
for lamenting "woe is me". It is a time to
celebrate because nothing is so dear, and
so important in our lives as is our love for
God. Without God we would have none of
the things in life that are good to behold
if it were not for God.

It is important to realize when all that you
have is taken away, THEN is the time that
try men's souls, and THEN is the Devil waiting
for you to denounce God.

When you lose all that you have, THEN is
the time to spend more time with God,
and less time with the cares of this world.
A person who has nothing, has nothing
to lose and all the time in the world. Spend
that time wisely, if the same would happen
to you! Remember the Lord giveth, and the
Lord Taketh away, and after Job was reproved
and tested by the Devil, God gave him back
all that had been taken away, and had
increased it by 10 fold.

bd4u.utah
Honest Abe
2011-10-24 17:02:30 UTC
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See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?

Adults no longer believe in the Tooth Fairy - but they still torture and
kill each other over ancient myths and superstitions.

"We all remember how many religious wars were fought for a religion of love
and gentleness; how many bodies were burned alive with the genuinely kind
intention of saving souls from the eternal fire of hell." --- Karl Popper

"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many
people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion."
--- Robert M. Pirsig

Either God wants to abolish evil and cannot, or he can but does not want to.
If he wants to but cannot he is impotent. If he can but does not want to, he
is wicked. If he neither can nor wants to, then he is both powerless and
wicked.
--- Epicurus, Greek philosopher, circa 300 B.C.

"Act of God" disasters like the Japanese earthquake expose the myth. Either
God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like this, or he doesn't care to, or
he doesn't exist. He is thus either impotent, evil, or imaginary.
--- CNN Belief Blog, 3-20-11

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that
takes religion."
--- Steven Weinberg, quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false,
and by rulers as useful."
--- Seneca the Younger (4? BC - 65 AD)

"Religion once ruled the world. It was called the Dark Ages." --- Ruth
Green.

"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings." ---
Victor Stenger.

"I don't believe in God because I don't believe in Mother Goose." ---
Clarence Darrow

"As my ancestors are free from slavery, I am free from the slavery of
religion." --- Butterfly McQueen

"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." --- Mark Twain

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in
all fiction." --- Richard Dawkins

"Cult today, religion tomorrow."

The Freedom From Religion Foundation: http://ffrf.org/
The Secular Coalition for America: www.secular.org
Secular Student Alliance: www.secularstudents.org
www.infidels.org
www.humaniststudies.org
www.atheistalliance.org
www.americanhumanist.org
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2011-10-24 18:14:02 UTC
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Post by bd4u.utah
Remember Job? He had everything. Lot's of land,
a fine Family, and the love of God. Then the Devil
conspired against Job, to test his love for God.
The Devil said unto God. Of course Job loves
you he has been given everything in life. But would
he still love you if all that he had was taken away.
So the Devil asked God if he might take away
all that Job had to see if it were true or not,
and God allowed it. Yet in spite of all that Job
had lost, and had happened to Job. Job still
loved God.
The Lord torture Job and allowed his family to be killed because of a
bet with Satan? Sick! By their fruits ye shall know them!
Post by bd4u.utah
This is a very important lesson for all people,
and it comes from the OT, not from the NT.
When all is taken from you, it is not a time
for lamenting "woe is me". It is a time to
celebrate because nothing is so dear, and
so important in our lives as is our love for
God. Without God we would have none of
the things in life that are good to behold
if it were not for God.
It is important to realize when all that you
have is taken away, THEN is the time that
try men's souls, and THEN is the Devil waiting
for you to denounce God.
When you lose all that you have, THEN is
the time to spend more time with God,
and less time with the cares of this world.
A person who has nothing, has nothing
to lose and all the time in the world. Spend
that time wisely, if the same would happen
to you! Remember the Lord giveth, and the
Lord Taketh away, and after Job was reproved
and tested by the Devil, God gave him back
all that had been taken away, and had
increased it by 10 fold.
bd4u.utah
bd4u.utah
2011-10-25 00:05:37 UTC
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Remember Job? He had everything. Lot's of land,
a fine Family, and the love of God. Then the Devil
conspired against Job, to test his love for God.
The Devil said unto God. Of course Job loves
you he has been given everything in life. But would
he still love you if all that he had was taken away.
So the Devil asked God if he might take away
all that Job had to see if it were true or not,
and God allowed it. Yet in spite of all that Job
had lost, and had happened to Job. Job still
loved God.
The Lord torture Job and allowed his family to be killed because of a
bet with Satan?  Sick!  By their fruits ye shall know them!
Post by bd4u.utah
This is a very important lesson for all people,
and it comes from the OT, not from the NT.
When all is taken from you, it is not a time
for lamenting "woe is me". It is a time to
celebrate because nothing is so dear, and
so important in our lives as is our love for
God. Without God we would have none of
the things in life that are good to behold
if it were not for God.
It is important to realize when all that you
have is taken away, THEN is the time that
try men's souls, and THEN is the Devil waiting
for you to denounce God.
When you lose all that you have, THEN is
the time to spend more time with God,
and less time with the cares of this world.
A person who has nothing, has nothing
to lose and all the time in the world. Spend
that time wisely, if the same would happen
to you! Remember the Lord giveth, and the
Lord Taketh away, and after Job was reproved
and tested by the Devil, God gave him back
all that had been taken away, and had
increased it by 10 fold.
bd4u.utah
NO, yer WRONG, it was Satan whom tortured
Job. But yer STILL missing the point of the
lecture. Job, gained 10 FOLD all because he
LOVED God! No matter what!

Hehh, you should be so lucky.

bd4u.utah
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2011-10-25 00:16:56 UTC
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Remember Job? He had everything. Lot's of land,
a fine Family, and the love of God. Then the Devil
conspired against Job, to test his love for God.
The Devil said unto God. Of course Job loves
you he has been given everything in life. But would
he still love you if all that he had was taken away.
So the Devil asked God if he might take away
all that Job had to see if it were true or not,
and God allowed it. Yet in spite of all that Job
had lost, and had happened to Job. Job still
loved God.
The Lord torture Job and allowed his family to be killed because of a
bet with Satan?  Sick!  By their fruits ye shall know them!
Post by bd4u.utah
This is a very important lesson for all people,
and it comes from the OT, not from the NT.
When all is taken from you, it is not a time
for lamenting "woe is me". It is a time to
celebrate because nothing is so dear, and
so important in our lives as is our love for
God. Without God we would have none of
the things in life that are good to behold
if it were not for God.
It is important to realize when all that you
have is taken away, THEN is the time that
try men's souls, and THEN is the Devil waiting
for you to denounce God.
When you lose all that you have, THEN is
the time to spend more time with God,
and less time with the cares of this world.
A person who has nothing, has nothing
to lose and all the time in the world. Spend
that time wisely, if the same would happen
to you! Remember the Lord giveth, and the
Lord Taketh away, and after Job was reproved
and tested by the Devil, God gave him back
all that had been taken away, and had
increased it by 10 fold.
bd4u.utah
NO, yer WRONG, it was Satan whom tortured
Job. But yer STILL missing the point of the
lecture. Job, gained 10 FOLD all because he
LOVED God! No matter what!
Hehh, you should be so lucky.
bd4u.utah-
Are you suggesting that if your children are killed, as in Job's
case, as long as they were replaced all is well? What kind of a
person are you? Satan torured Job with God permission. Job1:12, "12
And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy
apower; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went
forth from the presence of the Lord." Start telling the truth, bd4u
bd4u.utah
2011-10-25 08:05:17 UTC
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Remember Job? He had everything. Lot's of land,
a fine Family, and the love of God. Then the Devil
conspired against Job, to test his love for God.
The Devil said unto God. Of course Job loves
you he has been given everything in life. But would
he still love you if all that he had was taken away.
So the Devil asked God if he might take away
all that Job had to see if it were true or not,
and God allowed it. Yet in spite of all that Job
had lost, and had happened to Job. Job still
loved God.
The Lord torture Job and allowed his family to be killed because of a
bet with Satan?  Sick!  By their fruits ye shall know them!
Post by bd4u.utah
This is a very important lesson for all people,
and it comes from the OT, not from the NT.
When all is taken from you, it is not a time
for lamenting "woe is me". It is a time to
celebrate because nothing is so dear, and
so important in our lives as is our love for
God. Without God we would have none of
the things in life that are good to behold
if it were not for God.
It is important to realize when all that you
have is taken away, THEN is the time that
try men's souls, and THEN is the Devil waiting
for you to denounce God.
When you lose all that you have, THEN is
the time to spend more time with God,
and less time with the cares of this world.
A person who has nothing, has nothing
to lose and all the time in the world. Spend
that time wisely, if the same would happen
to you! Remember the Lord giveth, and the
Lord Taketh away, and after Job was reproved
and tested by the Devil, God gave him back
all that had been taken away, and had
increased it by 10 fold.
bd4u.utah
NO, yer WRONG, it was Satan whom tortured
Job. But yer STILL missing the point of the
lecture. Job, gained 10 FOLD all because he
LOVED God! No matter what!
Hehh, you should be so lucky.
bd4u.utah-
 Are you suggesting that if your children are killed, as in Job's
case, as long as they were replaced all is well?  What kind of a
person are you?  Satan torured Job with God permission.  Job1:12, "12
And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy
apower; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went
forth from the presence of the Lord."  Start telling the truth, bd4u
Dude, grow up, get a life, PRAY!

Cheers.. ;-)

bd4u.utah
bd4u.utah
2011-10-25 08:34:12 UTC
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Remember Job? He had everything. Lot's of land,
a fine Family, and the love of God. Then the Devil
conspired against Job, to test his love for God.
The Devil said unto God. Of course Job loves
you he has been given everything in life. But would
he still love you if all that he had was taken away.
So the Devil asked God if he might take away
all that Job had to see if it were true or not,
and God allowed it. Yet in spite of all that Job
had lost, and had happened to Job. Job still
loved God.
The Lord torture Job and allowed his family to be killed because of a
bet with Satan?  Sick!  By their fruits ye shall know them!
Post by bd4u.utah
This is a very important lesson for all people,
and it comes from the OT, not from the NT.
When all is taken from you, it is not a time
for lamenting "woe is me". It is a time to
celebrate because nothing is so dear, and
so important in our lives as is our love for
God. Without God we would have none of
the things in life that are good to behold
if it were not for God.
It is important to realize when all that you
have is taken away, THEN is the time that
try men's souls, and THEN is the Devil waiting
for you to denounce God.
When you lose all that you have, THEN is
the time to spend more time with God,
and less time with the cares of this world.
A person who has nothing, has nothing
to lose and all the time in the world. Spend
that time wisely, if the same would happen
to you! Remember the Lord giveth, and the
Lord Taketh away, and after Job was reproved
and tested by the Devil, God gave him back
all that had been taken away, and had
increased it by 10 fold.
bd4u.utah
NO, yer WRONG, it was Satan whom tortured
Job. But yer STILL missing the point of the
lecture. Job, gained 10 FOLD all because he
LOVED God! No matter what!
Hehh, you should be so lucky.
bd4u.utah-
 Are you suggesting that if your children are killed, as in Job's
case, as long as they were replaced all is well?  What kind of a
person are you?  Satan torured Job with God permission.  Job1:12, "12
And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy
apower; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went
forth from the presence of the Lord."  Start telling the truth, bd4u
Ya know, yer taking the easy road.
Cause it is a lot easier to disbelieve
than it is to believe. Do you know what
the definition of faith is? Cheers.. ;-)

bd4u.utah
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2011-10-25 15:49:58 UTC
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Remember Job? He had everything. Lot's of land,
a fine Family, and the love of God. Then the Devil
conspired against Job, to test his love for God.
The Devil said unto God. Of course Job loves
you he has been given everything in life. But would
he still love you if all that he had was taken away.
So the Devil asked God if he might take away
all that Job had to see if it were true or not,
and God allowed it. Yet in spite of all that Job
had lost, and had happened to Job. Job still
loved God.
The Lord torture Job and allowed his family to be killed because of a
bet with Satan?  Sick!  By their fruits ye shall know them!
Post by bd4u.utah
This is a very important lesson for all people,
and it comes from the OT, not from the NT.
When all is taken from you, it is not a time
for lamenting "woe is me". It is a time to
celebrate because nothing is so dear, and
so important in our lives as is our love for
God. Without God we would have none of
the things in life that are good to behold
if it were not for God.
It is important to realize when all that you
have is taken away, THEN is the time that
try men's souls, and THEN is the Devil waiting
for you to denounce God.
When you lose all that you have, THEN is
the time to spend more time with God,
and less time with the cares of this world.
A person who has nothing, has nothing
to lose and all the time in the world. Spend
that time wisely, if the same would happen
to you! Remember the Lord giveth, and the
Lord Taketh away, and after Job was reproved
and tested by the Devil, God gave him back
all that had been taken away, and had
increased it by 10 fold.
bd4u.utah
NO, yer WRONG, it was Satan whom tortured
Job. But yer STILL missing the point of the
lecture. Job, gained 10 FOLD all because he
LOVED God! No matter what!
Hehh, you should be so lucky.
bd4u.utah-
 Are you suggesting that if your children are killed, as in Job's
case, as long as they were replaced all is well?  What kind of a
person are you?  Satan torured Job with God permission.  Job1:12, "12
And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy
apower; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went
forth from the presence of the Lord."  Start telling the truth, bd4u
Ya know, yer taking the easy road.
Cause it is a lot easier to disbelieve
than it is to believe. Do you know what
the definition of faith is? Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah-
bd4u, I can't play religious hate with you right now, I'm on my way to
New York and my majordomo won't be available to post messages and his
voice is the only one the computer recognizes. Cheers.
bd4u.utah
2011-10-25 20:06:50 UTC
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Remember Job? He had everything. Lot's of land,
a fine Family, and the love of God. Then the Devil
conspired against Job, to test his love for God.
The Devil said unto God. Of course Job loves
you he has been given everything in life. But would
he still love you if all that he had was taken away.
So the Devil asked God if he might take away
all that Job had to see if it were true or not,
and God allowed it. Yet in spite of all that Job
had lost, and had happened to Job. Job still
loved God.
The Lord torture Job and allowed his family to be killed because of a
bet with Satan?  Sick!  By their fruits ye shall know them!
Post by bd4u.utah
This is a very important lesson for all people,
and it comes from the OT, not from the NT.
When all is taken from you, it is not a time
for lamenting "woe is me". It is a time to
celebrate because nothing is so dear, and
so important in our lives as is our love for
God. Without God we would have none of
the things in life that are good to behold
if it were not for God.
It is important to realize when all that you
have is taken away, THEN is the time that
try men's souls, and THEN is the Devil waiting
for you to denounce God.
When you lose all that you have, THEN is
the time to spend more time with God,
and less time with the cares of this world.
A person who has nothing, has nothing
to lose and all the time in the world. Spend
that time wisely, if the same would happen
to you! Remember the Lord giveth, and the
Lord Taketh away, and after Job was reproved
and tested by the Devil, God gave him back
all that had been taken away, and had
increased it by 10 fold.
bd4u.utah
NO, yer WRONG, it was Satan whom tortured
Job. But yer STILL missing the point of the
lecture. Job, gained 10 FOLD all because he
LOVED God! No matter what!
Hehh, you should be so lucky.
bd4u.utah-
 Are you suggesting that if your children are killed, as in Job's
case, as long as they were replaced all is well?  What kind of a
person are you?  Satan torured Job with God permission.  Job1:12, "12
And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy
apower; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went
forth from the presence of the Lord."  Start telling the truth, bd4u
Ya know, yer taking the easy road.
Cause it is a lot easier to disbelieve
than it is to believe. Do you know what
the definition of faith is? Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah-
bd4u, I can't play religious hate with you right now, I'm on my way to
New York and my majordomo won't be available to post messages and his
voice is the only one the computer recognizes.  Cheers.
Yeah I always knew it was about "hate" with you!
I could somehow just tell.

Cheers.. ;-)

bd4u.utah
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2011-10-25 22:14:23 UTC
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Remember Job? He had everything. Lot's of land,
a fine Family, and the love of God. Then the Devil
conspired against Job, to test his love for God.
The Devil said unto God. Of course Job loves
you he has been given everything in life. But would
he still love you if all that he had was taken away.
So the Devil asked God if he might take away
all that Job had to see if it were true or not,
and God allowed it. Yet in spite of all that Job
had lost, and had happened to Job. Job still
loved God.
The Lord torture Job and allowed his family to be killed because of a
bet with Satan?  Sick!  By their fruits ye shall know them!
Post by bd4u.utah
This is a very important lesson for all people,
and it comes from the OT, not from the NT.
When all is taken from you, it is not a time
for lamenting "woe is me". It is a time to
celebrate because nothing is so dear, and
so important in our lives as is our love for
God. Without God we would have none of
the things in life that are good to behold
if it were not for God.
It is important to realize when all that you
have is taken away, THEN is the time that
try men's souls, and THEN is the Devil waiting
for you to denounce God.
When you lose all that you have, THEN is
the time to spend more time with God,
and less time with the cares of this world.
A person who has nothing, has nothing
to lose and all the time in the world. Spend
that time wisely, if the same would happen
to you! Remember the Lord giveth, and the
Lord Taketh away, and after Job was reproved
and tested by the Devil, God gave him back
all that had been taken away, and had
increased it by 10 fold.
bd4u.utah
NO, yer WRONG, it was Satan whom tortured
Job. But yer STILL missing the point of the
lecture. Job, gained 10 FOLD all because he
LOVED God! No matter what!
Hehh, you should be so lucky.
bd4u.utah-
 Are you suggesting that if your children are killed, as in Job's
case, as long as they were replaced all is well?  What kind of a
person are you?  Satan torured Job with God permission.  Job1:12, "12
And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy
apower; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went
forth from the presence of the Lord."  Start telling the truth, bd4u
Ya know, yer taking the easy road.
Cause it is a lot easier to disbelieve
than it is to believe. Do you know what
the definition of faith is? Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah-
bd4u, I can't play religious hate with you right now, I'm on my way to
New York and my majordomo won't be available to post messages and his
voice is the only one the computer recognizes.  Cheers.
Yeah I always knew it was about "hate" with you!
I could somehow just tell.
Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah-
Now, now, bd4u, remember your words: Quote bd4u.utah-, " I am NOT
here to create
discontent, contention or a "flamewar" unlike some people
who all they want to do is argue moot points, and throw
insults." Unquote

You can make them, but you can't live them.
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2011-10-25 22:21:06 UTC
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Remember Job? He had everything. Lot's of land,
a fine Family, and the love of God. Then the Devil
conspired against Job, to test his love for God.
The Devil said unto God. Of course Job loves
you he has been given everything in life. But would
he still love you if all that he had was taken away.
So the Devil asked God if he might take away
all that Job had to see if it were true or not,
and God allowed it. Yet in spite of all that Job
had lost, and had happened to Job. Job still
loved God.
The Lord torture Job and allowed his family to be killed because of a
bet with Satan?  Sick!  By their fruits ye shall know them!
Post by bd4u.utah
This is a very important lesson for all people,
and it comes from the OT, not from the NT.
When all is taken from you, it is not a time
for lamenting "woe is me". It is a time to
celebrate because nothing is so dear, and
so important in our lives as is our love for
God. Without God we would have none of
the things in life that are good to behold
if it were not for God.
It is important to realize when all that you
have is taken away, THEN is the time that
try men's souls, and THEN is the Devil waiting
for you to denounce God.
When you lose all that you have, THEN is
the time to spend more time with God,
and less time with the cares of this world.
A person who has nothing, has nothing
to lose and all the time in the world. Spend
that time wisely, if the same would happen
to you! Remember the Lord giveth, and the
Lord Taketh away, and after Job was reproved
and tested by the Devil, God gave him back
all that had been taken away, and had
increased it by 10 fold.
bd4u.utah
NO, yer WRONG, it was Satan whom tortured
Job. But yer STILL missing the point of the
lecture. Job, gained 10 FOLD all because he
LOVED God! No matter what!
Hehh, you should be so lucky.
bd4u.utah-
 Are you suggesting that if your children are killed, as in Job's
case, as long as they were replaced all is well?  What kind of a
person are you?  Satan torured Job with God permission.  Job1:12, "12
And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy
apower; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went
forth from the presence of the Lord."  Start telling the truth, bd4u
Ya know, yer taking the easy road.
Cause it is a lot easier to disbelieve
than it is to believe. Do you know what
the definition of faith is? Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah-
bd4u, I can't play religious hate with you right now, I'm on my way to
New York and my majordomo won't be available to post messages and his
voice is the only one the computer recognizes.  Cheers.
Yeah I always knew it was about "hate" with you!
I could somehow just tell.
Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah-
Now, now, bd4u, remember your words:  Quote bd4u.utah-, " I am NOT
here to create
 discontent, contention or a "flamewar" unlike some people
 who all they want to do is argue moot points, and throw
 insults." Unquote
You can make them, but you can't live them.
So does it give you comfort to point at others
and avoid your own confusion? jest wandering..

Remember, yer the one that said..

".I can't play religious hate with you right now,"

bd4u.utah
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Remember Job? He had everything. Lot's of land,
a fine Family, and the love of God. Then the Devil
conspired against Job, to test his love for God.
The Devil said unto God. Of course Job loves
you he has been given everything in life. But would
he still love you if all that he had was taken away.
So the Devil asked God if he might take away
all that Job had to see if it were true or not,
and God allowed it. Yet in spite of all that Job
had lost, and had happened to Job. Job still
loved God.
The Lord torture Job and allowed his family to be killed because of a
bet with Satan?  Sick!  By their fruits ye shall know them!
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This is a very important lesson for all people,
and it comes from the OT, not from the NT.
When all is taken from you, it is not a time
for lamenting "woe is me". It is a time to
celebrate because nothing is so dear, and
so important in our lives as is our love for
God. Without God we would have none of
the things in life that are good to behold
if it were not for God.
It is important to realize when all that you
have is taken away, THEN is the time that
try men's souls, and THEN is the Devil waiting
for you to denounce God.
When you lose all that you have, THEN is
the time to spend more time with God,
and less time with the cares of this world.
A person who has nothing, has nothing
to lose and all the time in the world. Spend
that time wisely, if the same would happen
to you! Remember the Lord giveth, and the
Lord Taketh away, and after Job was reproved
and tested by the Devil, God gave him back
all that had been taken away, and had
increased it by 10 fold.
bd4u.utah
NO, yer WRONG, it was Satan whom tortured
Job. But yer STILL missing the point of the
lecture. Job, gained 10 FOLD all because he
LOVED God! No matter what!
Hehh, you should be so lucky.
bd4u.utah-
 Are you suggesting that if your children are killed, as in Job's
case, as long as they were replaced all is well?  What kind of a
person are you?  Satan torured Job with God permission.  Job1:12, "12
And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy
apower; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went
forth from the presence of the Lord."  Start telling the truth, bd4u
Ya know, yer taking the easy road.
Cause it is a lot easier to disbelieve
than it is to believe. Do you know what
the definition of faith is? Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah-
bd4u, I can't play religious hate with you right now, I'm on my way to
New York and my majordomo won't be available to post messages and his
voice is the only one the computer recognizes.  Cheers.
Yeah I always knew it was about "hate" with you!
I could somehow just tell.
Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah-
Now, now, bd4u, remember your words:  Quote bd4u.utah-, " I am NOT
here to create
 discontent, contention or a "flamewar" unlike some people
 who all they want to do is argue moot points, and throw
 insults." Unquote
You can make them, but you can't live them.
So does it give you comfort to point at others
and avoid your own confusion? jest wandering..
Remember, yer the one that said..
".I can't play religious hate with you right now,"
bd4u.utah-
I am in New York, I can play religious hate with you now. Problem is,
you are a better player than I am! One of these days maybe you will
be able to live up to one of your claims, or the claims of
Scientology: In his article “What is Greatness?” L. Ron Hubbard wrote
that “To love is the road to strength. To love in spite of all is the
secret of greatness. And may very well be the greatest secret in this
universe.” Where is your love? You can't even live up to your own
beliefs !!
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2011-10-26 00:08:11 UTC
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Remember Job? He had everything. Lot's of land,
a fine Family, and the love of God. Then the Devil
conspired against Job, to test his love for God.
The Devil said unto God. Of course Job loves
you he has been given everything in life. But would
he still love you if all that he had was taken away.
So the Devil asked God if he might take away
all that Job had to see if it were true or not,
and God allowed it. Yet in spite of all that Job
had lost, and had happened to Job. Job still
loved God.
The Lord torture Job and allowed his family to be killed because of a
bet with Satan?  Sick!  By their fruits ye shall know them!
Post by bd4u.utah
This is a very important lesson for all people,
and it comes from the OT, not from the NT.
When all is taken from you, it is not a time
for lamenting "woe is me". It is a time to
celebrate because nothing is so dear, and
so important in our lives as is our love for
God. Without God we would have none of
the things in life that are good to behold
if it were not for God.
It is important to realize when all that you
have is taken away, THEN is the time that
try men's souls, and THEN is the Devil waiting
for you to denounce God.
When you lose all that you have, THEN is
the time to spend more time with God,
and less time with the cares of this world.
A person who has nothing, has nothing
to lose and all the time in the world. Spend
that time wisely, if the same would happen
to you! Remember the Lord giveth, and the
Lord Taketh away, and after Job was reproved
and tested by the Devil, God gave him back
all that had been taken away, and had
increased it by 10 fold.
bd4u.utah
NO, yer WRONG, it was Satan whom tortured
Job. But yer STILL missing the point of the
lecture. Job, gained 10 FOLD all because he
LOVED God! No matter what!
Hehh, you should be so lucky.
bd4u.utah-
 Are you suggesting that if your children are killed, as in Job's
case, as long as they were replaced all is well?  What kind of a
person are you?  Satan torured Job with God permission.  Job1:12, "12
And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy
apower; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went
forth from the presence of the Lord."  Start telling the truth, bd4u
Ya know, yer taking the easy road.
Cause it is a lot easier to disbelieve
than it is to believe. Do you know what
the definition of faith is? Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah-
bd4u, I can't play religious hate with you right now, I'm on my way to
New York and my majordomo won't be available to post messages and his
voice is the only one the computer recognizes.  Cheers.
Yeah I always knew it was about "hate" with you!
I could somehow just tell.
Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah-
Now, now, bd4u, remember your words:  Quote bd4u.utah-, " I am NOT
here to create
 discontent, contention or a "flamewar" unlike some people
 who all they want to do is argue moot points, and throw
 insults." Unquote
You can make them, but you can't live them.
So does it give you comfort to point at others
and avoid your own confusion? jest wandering..
Remember, yer the one that said..
".I can't play religious hate with you right now,"
bd4u.utah-
I am in New York, I can play religious hate with you now.  Problem is,
you are a better player than I am!  One of these days maybe you will
be able to live up to one of your claims, or the claims of
that “To love is the road to strength. To love in spite of all is the
secret of greatness. And may very well be the greatest secret in this
universe.”  Where is your love?  You can't even live up to your own
beliefs !!
"Problem is, you are a better player than I am!" Well you are right
to a certain extent, I CAN play the game better than you do, or
most people do. But it ain't a WAR of HATE, it's a WAR of WORDS!
Does that make you Jealous, and resentful of me because I am
better than you? Well maybe it should. Because my wit of word
comes from none other than the Holy Spirit whom is the Master
of ALL "WORD". Just ask any learned Jew and they will tell you.
From whom do you think, I or Jesus knew of the "Holy Spirit"
if not from the Jews. Jesus was after all a Jew.

bd4u.utah
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2011-10-26 01:55:37 UTC
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I am in New York, I can play religious hate with you now.  Problem is,
you are a better player than I am!  One of these days maybe you will
be able to live up to one of your claims, or the claims of
that “To love is the road to strength. To love in spite of all is the
secret of greatness. And may very well be the greatest secret in this
universe.”  Where is your love?  You can't even live up to your own
beliefs !!
"Problem is, you are a better player than I am!" Well you are right
to a certain extent, I CAN play the game better than you do, or
most people do. But it ain't a WAR of HATE, it's a WAR of WORDS!
I didn't think we were at war! But since we were speaking of
religious war, yes, you play a better game than I. See, I'm not as
insulting as you, I give credit where credit is due!
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Does that make you Jealous, and resentful of me because I am
better than you?
Oh yes, I'm jealous sitting here in the In Aquavit Restaurant in New
York enjoying prime rib steak.
Post by bd4u.utah
Well maybe it should. Because my wit of word
comes from none other than the Holy Spirit whom is the Master
of ALL "WORD". Just ask any learned Jew and they will tell you.
From whom do you think, I or Jesus knew of the "Holy Spirit"
if not from the Jews. Jesus was after all a Jew.
You sound like your "spirit' came out of a bottle!
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bd4u.utah-
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Does that make you Jealous, and resentful of me because I am
better than you?
Oh yes, I'm jealous sitting here in the In Aquavit Restaurant in New
York enjoying prime rib steak.
OH, YES I can just see you sitting in New York enjoying
a prime rib steak hanging on my every post!

ROFLMAO

REALLY, SERIOUSLY, where do you find the time
to fork it in, much less enjoy it! ;-)

Yer a glutton fer punishment, and you will be cursing
your indigestion in the morning.

P.S. What time is it there on the East Coast?!?

Bwahahahahha

bd4u.utah
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2011-10-26 20:43:26 UTC
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Does that make you Jealous, and resentful of me because I am
better than you?
Oh yes, I'm jealous sitting here in the In Aquavit Restaurant in New
York enjoying prime rib steak.
OH, YES I can just see you sitting in New York enjoying
a prime rib steak hanging on my every post!
ROFLMAO
Well, I don't deal with you personally, you not important enough, (no
offense), I just throw a comment over my shoulder and my aid put the
words together as he pleases and posts. My aid thinks you are a stand-
up comedian, but my Bishop guest and I believe you are for real.
You're funny when you are angry, and get angry quite easily.
Post by bd4u.utah
REALLY, SERIOUSLY, where do you find the time
to fork it in, much less enjoy it! ;-)
I got people.
Post by bd4u.utah
Yer a glutton fer punishment, and you will be cursing
your indigestion in the morning.
Well yes, Ido love to eat and I have a hard time gaining weight. I
have a young Dr. that live next door to me in case I wake up cramping
in the morning.
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P.S. What time is it there on the East Coast?!?
There is a three hour difference between the East Coast and the West
Coast, not enough difference for Jet lag, plus we must land a couple
of times for fuel and that gives us a chance to walk it off a little.
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Bwahahahahha
What are you crying about?
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bd4u.utah
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Does that make you Jealous, and resentful of me because I am
better than you?
Oh yes, I'm jealous sitting here in the In Aquavit Restaurant in New
York enjoying prime rib steak.
OH, YES I can just see you sitting in New York enjoying
a prime rib steak hanging on my every post!
ROFLMAO
Well, I don't deal with you personally, you not important enough, (no
offense), I just throw   a comment over my shoulder and my aid put the
words together as he pleases and posts.  My aid thinks you are a stand-
up comedian, but my Bishop guest and I believe you are for real.
You're funny when you are angry, and get angry quite easily.
Post by bd4u.utah
REALLY, SERIOUSLY, where do you find the time
to fork it in, much less enjoy it! ;-)
I got people.
Post by bd4u.utah
Yer a glutton fer punishment, and you will be cursing
your indigestion in the morning.
Well yes, Ido love to eat and I have a hard time gaining weight.  I
have a young Dr. that live next door to me in case I wake up cramping
in the morning.
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P.S. What time is it there on the East Coast?!?
There is a three hour difference between the East Coast and the West
Coast, not enough difference for Jet lag, plus we must land a couple
of times for fuel and that gives us a chance to walk it off a little.
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Bwahahahahha
What are you crying about?
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bd4u.utah
Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)

Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
EST. No wonder you need a Doctor, just
to wake up in the morning. To tell ya the
truth I'm surprised yer still living. You
must have a damned good constitution.
But not everybody does. Enjoy it while
you got it, I hope you eat plenty of Garlic.

Cheers.. ;-)

bd4u.utah
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2011-10-27 02:33:21 UTC
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Does that make you Jealous, and resentful of me because I am
better than you?
Oh yes, I'm jealous sitting here in the In Aquavit Restaurant in New
York enjoying prime rib steak.
OH, YES I can just see you sitting in New York enjoying
a prime rib steak hanging on my every post!
ROFLMAO
Well, I don't deal with you personally, you not important enough, (no
offense), I just throw   a comment over my shoulder and my aid put the
words together as he pleases and posts.  My aid thinks you are a stand-
up comedian, but my Bishop guest and I believe you are for real.
You're funny when you are angry, and get angry quite easily.
Post by bd4u.utah
REALLY, SERIOUSLY, where do you find the time
to fork it in, much less enjoy it! ;-)
I got people.
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Yer a glutton fer punishment, and you will be cursing
your indigestion in the morning.
Well yes, Ido love to eat and I have a hard time gaining weight.  I
have a young Dr. that live next door to me in case I wake up cramping
in the morning.
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P.S. What time is it there on the East Coast?!?
There is a three hour difference between the East Coast and the West
Coast, not enough difference for Jet lag, plus we must land a couple
of times for fuel and that gives us a chance to walk it off a little.
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Bwahahahahha
What are you crying about?
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bd4u.utah
Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
I have a problem seeing that far.
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Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
EST.
What do you think?
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No wonder you need a Doctor, just
to wake up in the morning. To tell ya the
truth I'm surprised yer still living.
I was old enough to have fought in WW II so you wouldn't have speak
Japanese.
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You
must have a damned good constitution.
I still jog,....slowly.
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But not everybody does. Enjoy it while
you got it, I hope you eat plenty of Garlic.
I don't like garlic.
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Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah-
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Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
EST. No wonder you need a Doctor, just
to wake up in the morning. To tell ya the
truth I'm surprised yer still living.
Dude, if you could have seen my female companion you would have
drooled all over yourself,...believe it !!!!!
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2011-10-27 09:41:04 UTC
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Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
EST. No wonder you need a Doctor, just
to wake up in the morning. To tell ya the
truth I'm surprised yer still living.
Dude, if you could have seen my female companion you would have
drooled all over yourself,...believe it !!!!!
AND, you did all of this while posting to me on
usenet? Why am I surprised, God must have
great plans for you someplace in your life.
But what that is, I haven't the foggiest.

I doubt if you know either.

Cheers.. ;-)

bd4u.utah
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Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
EST. No wonder you need a Doctor, just
to wake up in the morning. To tell ya the
truth I'm surprised yer still living.
Dude, if you could have seen my female companion you would have
drooled all over yourself,...believe it !!!!!
AND, you did all of this while posting to me on
usenet? Why am I surprised, God must have
great plans for you someplace in your life.
But what that is, I haven't the foggiest.
I doubt if you know either.
Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah
I don't believe in the God man has created. I told you I have an aid
do the posting,....ah, Hell, what's the use posting to
you ?.....................You're to damned negative...........
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Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
EST. No wonder you need a Doctor, just
to wake up in the morning. To tell ya the
truth I'm surprised yer still living.
Dude, if you could have seen my female companion you would have
drooled all over yourself,...believe it !!!!!
AND, you did all of this while posting to me on
usenet? Why am I surprised, God must have
great plans for you someplace in your life.
But what that is, I haven't the foggiest.
I doubt if you know either.
Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah
I don't believe in the God man has created.  I told you I have an aid
do the posting,....ah, Hell, what's the use posting to
you ?.....................You're to damned negative...........
Yeah well that's too bad, because he obviously
STILL believes in you! Mark my words, he has something
special in store for you, or you wouldn't STILL be alive.

Cheers.. ;-)

bd4u.utah
sully
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Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
EST. No wonder you need a Doctor, just
to wake up in the morning. To tell ya the
truth I'm surprised yer still living.
Dude, if you could have seen my female companion you would have
drooled all over yourself,...believe it !!!!!
AND, you did all of this while posting to me on
usenet? Why am I surprised, God must have
great plans for you someplace in your life.
But what that is, I haven't the foggiest.
I doubt if you know either.
Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah
I don't believe in the God man has created.  I told you I have an aid
do the posting,....ah, Hell, what's the use posting to
you ?.....................You're to damned negative...........
Yeah well that's too bad, because he obviously
STILL believes in you! Mark my words, he has something
special in store for you, or you wouldn't STILL be alive.
Cheers.. ;-)
It appears to me that God seems to reserve his special
tortures for his true believers.

I'm always amazed by the god-loving christian who God
inflicts with a deadly cancer, who then thanks God for
modern medicine that gives her the early detection system.

count on god-loving christians to get everything bass-ackwards.
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2011-10-27 20:27:31 UTC
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Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
EST. No wonder you need a Doctor, just
to wake up in the morning. To tell ya the
truth I'm surprised yer still living.
Dude, if you could have seen my female companion you would have
drooled all over yourself,...believe it !!!!!
AND, you did all of this while posting to me on
usenet? Why am I surprised, God must have
great plans for you someplace in your life.
But what that is, I haven't the foggiest.
I doubt if you know either.
Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah
I don't believe in the God man has created.  I told you I have an aid
do the posting,....ah, Hell, what's the use posting to
you ?.....................You're to damned negative...........
Yeah well that's too bad, because he obviously
STILL believes in you! Mark my words, he has something
special in store for you, or you wouldn't STILL be alive.
Cheers.. ;-)
It appears to me that God seems to reserve his special
tortures for his true believers.
I'm always amazed by the god-loving christian who God
inflicts with a deadly cancer,  who then thanks God for
modern medicine that gives her the early detection system.
count on god-loving christians to get everything bass-ackwards.
Modern Medicine?!?

Bwahahahahahha

What's so Modern about it? Some people
refer to it as Frankensteinish the way so
called Modern Medicine butchers people.
Have you read the warning labels on
"Modern Medicine"? I think I'd rather smoke
myself to death, than take the poisons
the Doctors pass around.

Modern Medicine..

Bwahahahahahahha

That's a good un..


bd4u.utah
sully
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Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
EST. No wonder you need a Doctor, just
to wake up in the morning. To tell ya the
truth I'm surprised yer still living.
Dude, if you could have seen my female companion you would have
drooled all over yourself,...believe it !!!!!
AND, you did all of this while posting to me on
usenet? Why am I surprised, God must have
great plans for you someplace in your life.
But what that is, I haven't the foggiest.
I doubt if you know either.
Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah
I don't believe in the God man has created.  I told you I have an aid
do the posting,....ah, Hell, what's the use posting to
you ?.....................You're to damned negative...........
Yeah well that's too bad, because he obviously
STILL believes in you! Mark my words, he has something
special in store for you, or you wouldn't STILL be alive.
Cheers.. ;-)
It appears to me that God seems to reserve his special
tortures for his true believers.
I'm always amazed by the god-loving christian who God
inflicts with a deadly cancer,  who then thanks God for
modern medicine that gives her the early detection system.
count on god-loving christians to get everything bass-ackwards.
Modern Medicine?!?
Bwahahahahahha
What's so Modern about it? Some people
refer to it as Frankensteinish the way so
called Modern Medicine butchers people.
Have you read the warning labels on
"Modern Medicine"? I think I'd rather smoke
myself to death, than take the poisons
the Doctors pass around.
Modern Medicine..
Bwahahahahahahha
That's a good un..
bd4u.utah
a true believing christian thanked God for it. Do you think
she is delusional?
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2011-10-28 10:33:45 UTC
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Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
EST. No wonder you need a Doctor, just
to wake up in the morning. To tell ya the
truth I'm surprised yer still living.
Dude, if you could have seen my female companion you would have
drooled all over yourself,...believe it !!!!!
AND, you did all of this while posting to me on
usenet? Why am I surprised, God must have
great plans for you someplace in your life.
But what that is, I haven't the foggiest.
I doubt if you know either.
Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah
I don't believe in the God man has created.  I told you I have an aid
do the posting,....ah, Hell, what's the use posting to
you ?.....................You're to damned negative...........
Yeah well that's too bad, because he obviously
STILL believes in you! Mark my words, he has something
special in store for you, or you wouldn't STILL be alive.
Cheers.. ;-)
It appears to me that God seems to reserve his special
tortures for his true believers.
I'm always amazed by the god-loving christian who God
inflicts with a deadly cancer,  who then thanks God for
modern medicine that gives her the early detection system.
count on god-loving christians to get everything bass-ackwards.
Modern Medicine?!?
Bwahahahahahha
What's so Modern about it? Some people
refer to it as Frankensteinish the way so
called Modern Medicine butchers people.
Have you read the warning labels on
"Modern Medicine"? I think I'd rather smoke
myself to death, than take the poisons
the Doctors pass around.
Modern Medicine..
Bwahahahahahahha
That's a good un..
bd4u.utah
a true believing christian thanked God for it.  Do you think
she is delusional?
I couldn't really say, people believe all kinds
of things that violate common sense, but that
doesn't necessarily make them delusional.

bd4u.utah
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Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
EST. No wonder you need a Doctor, just
to wake up in the morning. To tell ya the
truth I'm surprised yer still living.
Dude, if you could have seen my female companion you would ha=
ve
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drooled all over yourself,...believe it !!!!!
AND, you did all of this while posting to me on
usenet? Why am I surprised, God must have
great plans for you someplace in your life.
But what that is, I haven't the foggiest.
I doubt if you know either.
Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah
I don't believe in the God man has created. =A0I told you I have =
an aid
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Post by sully
Post by bd4u.utah
do the posting,....ah, Hell, what's the use posting to
you ?.....................You're to damned negative...........
Yeah well that's too bad, because he obviously
STILL believes in you! Mark my words, he has something
special in store for you, or you wouldn't STILL be alive.
Cheers.. ;-)
It appears to me that God seems to reserve his special
tortures for his true believers.
I'm always amazed by the god-loving christian who God
inflicts with a deadly cancer, =A0who then thanks God for
modern medicine that gives her the early detection system.
count on god-loving christians to get everything bass-ackwards.
Modern Medicine?!?
Bwahahahahahha
What's so Modern about it? Some people
refer to it as Frankensteinish the way so
called Modern Medicine butchers people.
Have you read the warning labels on
"Modern Medicine"? I think I'd rather smoke
myself to death, than take the poisons
the Doctors pass around.
Modern Medicine..
Bwahahahahahahha
That's a good un..
bd4u.utah
a true believing christian thanked God for it. =A0Do you think
she is delusional?
I couldn't really say, people believe all kinds
of things that violate common sense, but that
doesn't necessarily make them delusional.
bd4u.utah
** how about confusional?
--
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Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
EST. No wonder you need a Doctor, just
to wake up in the morning. To tell ya the
truth I'm surprised yer still living.
Dude, if you could have seen my female companion you would ha=
ve
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Post by bd4u.utah
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drooled all over yourself,...believe it !!!!!
AND, you did all of this while posting to me on
usenet? Why am I surprised, God must have
great plans for you someplace in your life.
But what that is, I haven't the foggiest.
I doubt if you know either.
Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah
I don't believe in the God man has created. =A0I told you I have =
an aid
Post by bd4u.utah
Post by sully
Post by bd4u.utah
do the posting,....ah, Hell, what's the use posting to
you ?.....................You're to damned negative...........
Yeah well that's too bad, because he obviously
STILL believes in you! Mark my words, he has something
special in store for you, or you wouldn't STILL be alive.
Cheers.. ;-)
It appears to me that God seems to reserve his special
tortures for his true believers.
I'm always amazed by the god-loving christian who God
inflicts with a deadly cancer, =A0who then thanks God for
modern medicine that gives her the early detection system.
count on god-loving christians to get everything bass-ackwards.
Modern Medicine?!?
Bwahahahahahha
What's so Modern about it? Some people
refer to it as Frankensteinish the way so
called Modern Medicine butchers people.
Have you read the warning labels on
"Modern Medicine"? I think I'd rather smoke
myself to death, than take the poisons
the Doctors pass around.
Modern Medicine..
Bwahahahahahahha
That's a good un..
bd4u.utah
a true believing christian thanked God for it. =A0Do you think
she is delusional?
I couldn't really say, people believe all kinds
of things that violate common sense, but that
doesn't necessarily make them delusional.
bd4u.utah
**  how about confusional?
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K,  805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
...how about religion? I read where some religions believe that there
are aliens hiding in their bodies?
It's called something like Scientology!
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Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
EST. No wonder you need a Doctor, just
to wake up in the morning. To tell ya the
truth I'm surprised yer still living.
Dude, if you could have seen my female companion you would=
ha=3D
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ve
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drooled all over yourself,...believe it !!!!!
AND, you did all of this while posting to me on
usenet? Why am I surprised, God must have
great plans for you someplace in your life.
But what that is, I haven't the foggiest.
I doubt if you know either.
Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah
I don't believe in the God man has created. =3DA0I told you I =
have =3D
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an aid
Post by bd4u.utah
Post by sully
Post by bd4u.utah
do the posting,....ah, Hell, what's the use posting to
you ?.....................You're to damned negative...........
Yeah well that's too bad, because he obviously
STILL believes in you! Mark my words, he has something
special in store for you, or you wouldn't STILL be alive.
Cheers.. ;-)
It appears to me that God seems to reserve his special
tortures for his true believers.
I'm always amazed by the god-loving christian who God
inflicts with a deadly cancer, =3DA0who then thanks God for
modern medicine that gives her the early detection system.
count on god-loving christians to get everything bass-ackwards.
Modern Medicine?!?
Bwahahahahahha
What's so Modern about it? Some people
refer to it as Frankensteinish the way so
called Modern Medicine butchers people.
Have you read the warning labels on
"Modern Medicine"? I think I'd rather smoke
myself to death, than take the poisons
the Doctors pass around.
Modern Medicine..
Bwahahahahahahha
That's a good un..
bd4u.utah
a true believing christian thanked God for it. =3DA0Do you think
she is delusional?
I couldn't really say, people believe all kinds
of things that violate common sense, but that
doesn't necessarily make them delusional.
bd4u.utah
** =A0how about confusional?
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
...how about religion? I read where some religions believe that there
are aliens hiding in their bodies?
It's called something like Scientology!
** Scientology® is so disconnected from reality they tried to sue the
Internet. [sic]
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
EST. No wonder you need a Doctor, just
to wake up in the morning. To tell ya the
truth I'm surprised yer still living.
Dude, if you could have seen my female companion you would=
ha=3D
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ve
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Post by bd4u.utah
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drooled all over yourself,...believe it !!!!!
AND, you did all of this while posting to me on
usenet? Why am I surprised, God must have
great plans for you someplace in your life.
But what that is, I haven't the foggiest.
I doubt if you know either.
Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah
I don't believe in the God man has created. =3DA0I told you I =
have =3D
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an aid
Post by bd4u.utah
Post by sully
Post by bd4u.utah
do the posting,....ah, Hell, what's the use posting to
you ?.....................You're to damned negative...........
Yeah well that's too bad, because he obviously
STILL believes in you! Mark my words, he has something
special in store for you, or you wouldn't STILL be alive.
Cheers.. ;-)
It appears to me that God seems to reserve his special
tortures for his true believers.
I'm always amazed by the god-loving christian who God
inflicts with a deadly cancer, =3DA0who then thanks God for
modern medicine that gives her the early detection system.
count on god-loving christians to get everything bass-ackwards.
Modern Medicine?!?
Bwahahahahahha
What's so Modern about it? Some people
refer to it as Frankensteinish the way so
called Modern Medicine butchers people.
Have you read the warning labels on
"Modern Medicine"? I think I'd rather smoke
myself to death, than take the poisons
the Doctors pass around.
Modern Medicine..
Bwahahahahahahha
That's a good un..
bd4u.utah
a true believing christian thanked God for it. =3DA0Do you think
she is delusional?
I couldn't really say, people believe all kinds
of things that violate common sense, but that
doesn't necessarily make them delusional.
bd4u.utah
** =A0how about confusional?
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
...how about religion?  I read where some religions believe that there
are aliens hiding in their bodies?
It's called something like Scientology!
**  Scientology® is so disconnected from reality they tried to sue the
Internet. [sic]
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K,  805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
I didn't know that much about them until I read the following:
"Since 1986 authorities in France, Spain and Italy have raided more
than 50 Scientology centers. Pending charges against more than 100 of
its overseas church members include fraud, extortion, capital flight,
coercion, illegally practicing medicine and taking advantage of
mentally incapacitated people."
- Time Magazine,

Maybe they are trying to outdo the Mormons?
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Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
EST. No wonder you need a Doctor, just
to wake up in the morning. To tell ya the
truth I'm surprised yer still living.
Dude, if you could have seen my female companion you wo=
uld=3D
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ve
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drooled all over yourself,...believe it !!!!!
AND, you did all of this while posting to me on
usenet? Why am I surprised, God must have
great plans for you someplace in your life.
But what that is, I haven't the foggiest.
I doubt if you know either.
Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah
I don't believe in the God man has created. =3D3DA0I told y=
ou I =3D
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an aid
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do the posting,....ah, Hell, what's the use posting to
you ?.....................You're to damned negative........=
...
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Post by bd4u.utah
Yeah well that's too bad, because he obviously
STILL believes in you! Mark my words, he has something
special in store for you, or you wouldn't STILL be alive.
Cheers.. ;-)
It appears to me that God seems to reserve his special
tortures for his true believers.
I'm always amazed by the god-loving christian who God
inflicts with a deadly cancer, =3D3DA0who then thanks God for
modern medicine that gives her the early detection system.
count on god-loving christians to get everything bass-ackwards.
Modern Medicine?!?
Bwahahahahahha
What's so Modern about it? Some people
refer to it as Frankensteinish the way so
called Modern Medicine butchers people.
Have you read the warning labels on
"Modern Medicine"? I think I'd rather smoke
myself to death, than take the poisons
the Doctors pass around.
Modern Medicine..
Bwahahahahahahha
That's a good un..
bd4u.utah
a true believing christian thanked God for it. =3D3DA0Do you think
she is delusional?
I couldn't really say, people believe all kinds
of things that violate common sense, but that
doesn't necessarily make them delusional.
bd4u.utah
** =3DA0how about confusional?
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =3DA0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
...how about religion? =A0I read where some religions believe that there
are aliens hiding in their bodies?
It's called something like Scientology!
** =A0Scientology=AE is so disconnected from reality they tried to sue th=
e
Post by • R. L. Measures.
Internet. [sic]
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
"Since 1986 authorities in France, Spain and Italy have raided more
than 50 Scientology centers. Pending charges against more than 100 of
its overseas church members include fraud, extortion, capital flight,
coercion, illegally practicing medicine and taking advantage of
mentally incapacitated people."
- Time Magazine,
Maybe they are trying to outdo the Mormons?
** No other cult even comes close to the LdS church's $30+ billion hoarde
of mammon.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
EST. No wonder you need a Doctor, just
to wake up in the morning. To tell ya the
truth I'm surprised yer still living.
Dude, if you could have seen my female companion you wo=
uld=3D
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ve
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drooled all over yourself,...believe it !!!!!
AND, you did all of this while posting to me on
usenet? Why am I surprised, God must have
great plans for you someplace in your life.
But what that is, I haven't the foggiest.
I doubt if you know either.
Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah
I don't believe in the God man has created. =3D3DA0I told y=
ou I =3D
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an aid
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do the posting,....ah, Hell, what's the use posting to
you ?.....................You're to damned negative........=
...
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Post by bd4u.utah
Yeah well that's too bad, because he obviously
STILL believes in you! Mark my words, he has something
special in store for you, or you wouldn't STILL be alive.
Cheers.. ;-)
It appears to me that God seems to reserve his special
tortures for his true believers.
I'm always amazed by the god-loving christian who God
inflicts with a deadly cancer, =3D3DA0who then thanks God for
modern medicine that gives her the early detection system.
count on god-loving christians to get everything bass-ackwards.
Modern Medicine?!?
Bwahahahahahha
What's so Modern about it? Some people
refer to it as Frankensteinish the way so
called Modern Medicine butchers people.
Have you read the warning labels on
"Modern Medicine"? I think I'd rather smoke
myself to death, than take the poisons
the Doctors pass around.
Modern Medicine..
Bwahahahahahahha
That's a good un..
bd4u.utah
a true believing christian thanked God for it. =3D3DA0Do you think
she is delusional?
I couldn't really say, people believe all kinds
of things that violate common sense, but that
doesn't necessarily make them delusional.
bd4u.utah
** =3DA0how about confusional?
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =3DA0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
...how about religion? =A0I read where some religions believe that there
are aliens hiding in their bodies?
It's called something like Scientology!
** =A0Scientology=AE is so disconnected from reality they tried to sue th=
e
Post by • R. L. Measures.
Internet. [sic]
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
"Since 1986 authorities in France, Spain and Italy have raided more
than 50 Scientology centers. Pending charges against more than 100 of
its overseas church members include fraud, extortion, capital flight,
coercion, illegally practicing medicine and taking advantage of
mentally incapacitated people."
- Time Magazine,
Maybe they are trying to outdo the Mormons?
**  No other cult even comes close to the LdS church's $30+ billion hoarde
of mammon.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K,  805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
Appears that even in 1860 people could not live with the teachings of
the Mormons.

Evening Bulletin, Vol. IX. San Francisco, February. 20, 1860. No. 113.

Judge Cradlebaugh, of the United States Court in Utah, is now in
Washington, doing all he can against Mormondom. He has lately
challenged Hooper, the Mormon Delegate to Congress, to a public
discussion of the various Mormon questions that are now in issue
before the country at large. He proposes to prove the following:

1st. That the Mormon people are subject to a theocratic government,
and recognize no law as binding which does not coincide with their
pretended revelations as promulgated by their "Prophet, Seer and
Revelator," Brigham Young.

2d. That they have taught, and still teach, treason against the
government of the United States.

3d. That they practice polygamy in a manner shocking to the moral
sense of the world, and aggravate the offence by incest and murder.

4th. That they teach the doctrine of "the shedding of human blood for
the remission if sin," as defined by their own ecclesiastical code,
and these teachings are carried into practice.

5th. That they teach the doctrine that it is right and godly that
Mormons should rob Gentiles whenever they can do so with facility and
escape public exposure. The Mountain Meadow massacre is a melancholy
proof of this fact.

6. That they teach the doctrine, and practice it, of mutilating men,
and have declared from their pulpit, with public acquiescence, that
the day was near when their valleys would resound with the voice of
eunuchs.

Mr. Hooper has not condescended to reply to the challenge, so far, and
it is presumed that he will not. The judge is too well informed an
antagonist to be met with impunity, and the wily delegate will take
especial care to avoid a conflict with him. The judge will make an
expose of Mormonism through the newspapers....
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Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
EST. No wonder you need a Doctor, just
to wake up in the morning. To tell ya the
truth I'm surprised yer still living.
Dude, if you could have seen my female companion you wo=
uld=3D
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ve
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drooled all over yourself,...believe it !!!!!
AND, you did all of this while posting to me on
usenet? Why am I surprised, God must have
great plans for you someplace in your life.
But what that is, I haven't the foggiest.
I doubt if you know either.
Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah
I don't believe in the God man has created. =3D3DA0I told y=
ou I =3D
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do the posting,....ah, Hell, what's the use posting to
you ?.....................You're to damned negative........=
...
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Yeah well that's too bad, because he obviously
STILL believes in you! Mark my words, he has something
special in store for you, or you wouldn't STILL be alive.
Cheers.. ;-)
It appears to me that God seems to reserve his special
tortures for his true believers.
I'm always amazed by the god-loving christian who God
inflicts with a deadly cancer, =3D3DA0who then thanks God for
modern medicine that gives her the early detection system.
count on god-loving christians to get everything bass-ackwards.
Modern Medicine?!?
Bwahahahahahha
What's so Modern about it? Some people
refer to it as Frankensteinish the way so
called Modern Medicine butchers people.
Have you read the warning labels on
"Modern Medicine"? I think I'd rather smoke
myself to death, than take the poisons
the Doctors pass around.
Modern Medicine..
Bwahahahahahahha
That's a good un..
bd4u.utah
a true believing christian thanked God for it. =3D3DA0Do you think
she is delusional?
I couldn't really say, people believe all kinds
of things that violate common sense, but that
doesn't necessarily make them delusional.
bd4u.utah
** =3DA0how about confusional?
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =3DA0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
...how about religion? =A0I read where some religions believe that there
are aliens hiding in their bodies?
It's called something like Scientology!
** =A0Scientology=AE is so disconnected from reality they tried to sue th=
e
Post by • R. L. Measures.
Internet. [sic]
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
"Since 1986 authorities in France, Spain and Italy have raided more
than 50 Scientology centers. Pending charges against more than 100 of
its overseas church members include fraud, extortion, capital flight,
coercion, illegally practicing medicine and taking advantage of
mentally incapacitated people."
- Time Magazine,
Maybe they are trying to outdo the Mormons?
**  No other cult even comes close to the LdS church's $30+ billion hoarde
of mammon.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K,  805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
Appears that even in 1860 people could not live with the teachings of
the Mormons.
Evening Bulletin, Vol. IX. San Francisco, February. 20, 1860. No. 113.
Judge Cradlebaugh, of the United States Court in Utah, is now in
Washington, doing all he can against Mormondom. He has lately
challenged Hooper, the Mormon Delegate to Congress, to a public
discussion of the various Mormon questions that are now in issue
1st. That the Mormon people are subject to a theocratic government,
and recognize no law as binding which does not coincide with their
pretended revelations as promulgated by their "Prophet, Seer and
Revelator," Brigham Young.
2d. That they have taught, and still teach, treason against the
government of the United States.
3d. That they practice polygamy in a manner shocking to the moral
sense of the world, and aggravate the offence by incest and murder.
4th. That they teach the doctrine of "the shedding of human blood for
the remission if sin," as defined by their own ecclesiastical code,
and these teachings are carried into practice.
5th. That they teach the doctrine that it is right and godly that
Mormons should rob Gentiles whenever they can do so with facility and
escape public exposure. The Mountain Meadow massacre is a melancholy
proof of this fact.
6. That they teach the doctrine, and practice it, of mutilating men,
and have declared from their pulpit, with public acquiescence, that
the day was near when their valleys would resound with the voice of
eunuchs.
Mr. Hooper has not condescended to reply to the challenge, so far, and
it is presumed that he will not. The judge is too well informed an
antagonist to be met with impunity, and the wily delegate will take
especial care to avoid a conflict with him. The judge will make an
expose of Mormonism through the newspapers....
Ya'll like distractions? Cause that is all it is "a distraction".
Ya'll lost the previous argument, so now yer changing the
subject. So what, see if I care.

Cheers.. ;-)

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Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
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truth I'm surprised yer still living.
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drooled all over yourself,...believe it !!!!!
AND, you did all of this while posting to me on
usenet? Why am I surprised, God must have
great plans for you someplace in your life.
But what that is, I haven't the foggiest.
I doubt if you know either.
Cheers.. ;-)
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Yeah well that's too bad, because he obviously
STILL believes in you! Mark my words, he has something
special in store for you, or you wouldn't STILL be alive.
Cheers.. ;-)
It appears to me that God seems to reserve his special
tortures for his true believers.
I'm always amazed by the god-loving christian who God
inflicts with a deadly cancer, =3D3D3DA0who then thanks God =
for
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Modern Medicine?!?
Bwahahahahahha
What's so Modern about it? Some people
refer to it as Frankensteinish the way so
called Modern Medicine butchers people.
Have you read the warning labels on
"Modern Medicine"? I think I'd rather smoke
myself to death, than take the poisons
the Doctors pass around.
Modern Medicine..
Bwahahahahahahha
That's a good un..
bd4u.utah
a true believing christian thanked God for it. =3D3D3DA0Do you t=
hink
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she is delusional?
I couldn't really say, people believe all kinds
of things that violate common sense, but that
doesn't necessarily make them delusional.
bd4u.utah
** =3D3DA0how about confusional?
--
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...how about religion? =3DA0I read where some religions believe that =
there
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are aliens hiding in their bodies?
It's called something like Scientology!
** =3DA0Scientology=3DAE is so disconnected from reality they tried to=
sue th=3D
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Internet. [sic]
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =3DA0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
"Since 1986 authorities in France, Spain and Italy have raided more
than 50 Scientology centers. Pending charges against more than 100 of
its overseas church members include fraud, extortion, capital flight,
coercion, illegally practicing medicine and taking advantage of
mentally incapacitated people."
- Time Magazine,
Maybe they are trying to outdo the Mormons?
** =A0No other cult even comes close to the LdS church's $30+ billion hoa=
rde
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of mammon.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
Appears that even in 1860 people could not live with the teachings of
the Mormons.
Evening Bulletin, Vol. IX. San Francisco, February. 20, 1860. No. 113.
Judge Cradlebaugh, of the United States Court in Utah, is now in
Washington, doing all he can against Mormondom. He has lately
challenged Hooper, the Mormon Delegate to Congress, to a public
discussion of the various Mormon questions that are now in issue
1st. That the Mormon people are subject to a theocratic government,
and recognize no law as binding which does not coincide with their
pretended revelations as promulgated by their "Prophet, Seer and
Revelator," Brigham Young.
2d. That they have taught, and still teach, treason against the
government of the United States.
3d. That they practice polygamy in a manner shocking to the moral
sense of the world, and aggravate the offence by incest and murder.
4th. That they teach the doctrine of "the shedding of human blood for
the remission if sin," as defined by their own ecclesiastical code,
and these teachings are carried into practice.
5th. That they teach the doctrine that it is right and godly that
Mormons should rob Gentiles whenever they can do so with facility and
escape public exposure. The Mountain Meadow massacre is a melancholy
proof of this fact.
6. That they teach the doctrine, and practice it, of mutilating men,
and have declared from their pulpit, with public acquiescence, that
the day was near when their valleys would resound with the voice of
eunuchs.
Mr. Hooper has not condescended to reply to the challenge, so far, and
it is presumed that he will not. The judge is too well informed an
antagonist to be met with impunity, and the wily delegate will take
especial care to avoid a conflict with him. The judge will make an
expose of Mormonism through the newspapers....
** Nothing damages the uncouth as much as the awful truth.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
EST. No wonder you need a Doctor, just
to wake up in the morning. To tell ya the
truth I'm surprised yer still living.
Dude, if you could have seen my female companion you=
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drooled all over yourself,...believe it !!!!!
AND, you did all of this while posting to me on
usenet? Why am I surprised, God must have
great plans for you someplace in your life.
But what that is, I haven't the foggiest.
I doubt if you know either.
Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah
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Yeah well that's too bad, because he obviously
STILL believes in you! Mark my words, he has something
special in store for you, or you wouldn't STILL be alive.
Cheers.. ;-)
It appears to me that God seems to reserve his special
tortures for his true believers.
I'm always amazed by the god-loving christian who God
inflicts with a deadly cancer, =3D3D3DA0who then thanks God =
for
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Modern Medicine?!?
Bwahahahahahha
What's so Modern about it? Some people
refer to it as Frankensteinish the way so
called Modern Medicine butchers people.
Have you read the warning labels on
"Modern Medicine"? I think I'd rather smoke
myself to death, than take the poisons
the Doctors pass around.
Modern Medicine..
Bwahahahahahahha
That's a good un..
bd4u.utah
a true believing christian thanked God for it. =3D3D3DA0Do you t=
hink
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she is delusional?
I couldn't really say, people believe all kinds
of things that violate common sense, but that
doesn't necessarily make them delusional.
bd4u.utah
** =3D3DA0how about confusional?
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =3D3DA0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
...how about religion? =3DA0I read where some religions believe that =
there
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** =3DA0Scientology=3DAE is so disconnected from reality they tried to=
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Internet. [sic]
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =3DA0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
"Since 1986 authorities in France, Spain and Italy have raided more
than 50 Scientology centers. Pending charges against more than 100 of
its overseas church members include fraud, extortion, capital flight,
coercion, illegally practicing medicine and taking advantage of
mentally incapacitated people."
- Time Magazine,
Maybe they are trying to outdo the Mormons?
** =A0No other cult even comes close to the LdS church's $30+ billion hoa=
rde
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of mammon.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
Appears that even in 1860 people could not live with the teachings of
the Mormons.
Evening Bulletin, Vol. IX. San Francisco, February. 20, 1860. No. 113.
Judge Cradlebaugh, of the United States Court in Utah, is now in
Washington, doing all he can against Mormondom. He has lately
challenged Hooper, the Mormon Delegate to Congress, to a public
discussion of the various Mormon questions that are now in issue
1st. That the Mormon people are subject to a theocratic government,
and recognize no law as binding which does not coincide with their
pretended revelations as promulgated by their "Prophet, Seer and
Revelator," Brigham Young.
2d. That they have taught, and still teach, treason against the
government of the United States.
3d. That they practice polygamy in a manner shocking to the moral
sense of the world, and aggravate the offence by incest and murder.
4th. That they teach the doctrine of "the shedding of human blood for
the remission if sin," as defined by their own ecclesiastical code,
and these teachings are carried into practice.
5th. That they teach the doctrine that it is right and godly that
Mormons should rob Gentiles whenever they can do so with facility and
escape public exposure. The Mountain Meadow massacre is a melancholy
proof of this fact.
6. That they teach the doctrine, and practice it, of mutilating men,
and have declared from their pulpit, with public acquiescence, that
the day was near when their valleys would resound with the voice of
eunuchs.
Mr. Hooper has not condescended to reply to the challenge, so far, and
it is presumed that he will not. The judge is too well informed an
antagonist to be met with impunity, and the wily delegate will take
especial care to avoid a conflict with him. The judge will make an
expose of Mormonism through the newspapers....
**  Nothing damages the uncouth as much as the awful truth.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K,  805-386-3734,www.somis.org
Hehh, yer not damaging anyone, except in yer twisted
little mind. Oh well..

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Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
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truth I'm surprised yer still living.
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drooled all over yourself,...believe it !!!!!
AND, you did all of this while posting to me on
usenet? Why am I surprised, God must have
great plans for you someplace in your life.
But what that is, I haven't the foggiest.
I doubt if you know either.
Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah
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Cheers.. ;-)
It appears to me that God seems to reserve his special
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I'm always amazed by the god-loving christian who God
inflicts with a deadly cancer, =3D3D3D3DA0who then thanks=
God =3D
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Modern Medicine?!?
Bwahahahahahha
What's so Modern about it? Some people
refer to it as Frankensteinish the way so
called Modern Medicine butchers people.
Have you read the warning labels on
"Modern Medicine"? I think I'd rather smoke
myself to death, than take the poisons
the Doctors pass around.
Modern Medicine..
Bwahahahahahahha
That's a good un..
bd4u.utah
a true believing christian thanked God for it. =3D3D3D3DA0Do =
you t=3D
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hink
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she is delusional?
I couldn't really say, people believe all kinds
of things that violate common sense, but that
doesn't necessarily make them delusional.
bd4u.utah
** =3D3D3DA0how about confusional?
--
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...how about religion? =3D3DA0I read where some religions believe =
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are aliens hiding in their bodies?
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sue th=3D3D
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Internet. [sic]
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =3D3DA0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-
"Since 1986 authorities in France, Spain and Italy have raided more
than 50 Scientology centers. Pending charges against more than 100 of
its overseas church members include fraud, extortion, capital flight,
coercion, illegally practicing medicine and taking advantage of
mentally incapacitated people."
- Time Magazine,
Maybe they are trying to outdo the Mormons?
** =3DA0No other cult even comes close to the LdS church's $30+ billio=
n hoa=3D
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of mammon.
--
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Appears that even in 1860 people could not live with the teachings of
the Mormons.
Evening Bulletin, Vol. IX. San Francisco, February. 20, 1860. No. 113.
Judge Cradlebaugh, of the United States Court in Utah, is now in
Washington, doing all he can against Mormondom. He has lately
challenged Hooper, the Mormon Delegate to Congress, to a public
discussion of the various Mormon questions that are now in issue
1st. That the Mormon people are subject to a theocratic government,
and recognize no law as binding which does not coincide with their
pretended revelations as promulgated by their "Prophet, Seer and
Revelator," Brigham Young.
2d. That they have taught, and still teach, treason against the
government of the United States.
3d. That they practice polygamy in a manner shocking to the moral
sense of the world, and aggravate the offence by incest and murder.
4th. That they teach the doctrine of "the shedding of human blood for
the remission if sin," as defined by their own ecclesiastical code,
and these teachings are carried into practice.
5th. That they teach the doctrine that it is right and godly that
Mormons should rob Gentiles whenever they can do so with facility and
escape public exposure. The Mountain Meadow massacre is a melancholy
proof of this fact.
6. That they teach the doctrine, and practice it, of mutilating men,
and have declared from their pulpit, with public acquiescence, that
the day was near when their valleys would resound with the voice of
eunuchs.
Mr. Hooper has not condescended to reply to the challenge, so far, and
it is presumed that he will not. The judge is too well informed an
antagonist to be met with impunity, and the wily delegate will take
especial care to avoid a conflict with him. The judge will make an
expose of Mormonism through the newspapers....
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Hehh, yer not damaging anyone, except in yer twisted
little mind. Oh well..
** what is your name Mr./Ms._______?
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Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
EST. No wonder you need a Doctor, just
to wake up in the morning. To tell ya the
truth I'm surprised yer still living.
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drooled all over yourself,...believe it !!!!!
AND, you did all of this while posting to me on
usenet? Why am I surprised, God must have
great plans for you someplace in your life.
But what that is, I haven't the foggiest.
I doubt if you know either.
Cheers.. ;-)
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Cheers.. ;-)
It appears to me that God seems to reserve his special
tortures for his true believers.
I'm always amazed by the god-loving christian who God
inflicts with a deadly cancer, =3D3D3D3DA0who then thanks=
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Modern Medicine?!?
Bwahahahahahha
What's so Modern about it? Some people
refer to it as Frankensteinish the way so
called Modern Medicine butchers people.
Have you read the warning labels on
"Modern Medicine"? I think I'd rather smoke
myself to death, than take the poisons
the Doctors pass around.
Modern Medicine..
Bwahahahahahahha
That's a good un..
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she is delusional?
I couldn't really say, people believe all kinds
of things that violate common sense, but that
doesn't necessarily make them delusional.
bd4u.utah
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"Since 1986 authorities in France, Spain and Italy have raided more
than 50 Scientology centers. Pending charges against more than 100 of
its overseas church members include fraud, extortion, capital flight,
coercion, illegally practicing medicine and taking advantage of
mentally incapacitated people."
- Time Magazine,
Maybe they are trying to outdo the Mormons?
** =3DA0No other cult even comes close to the LdS church's $30+ billio=
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Appears that even in 1860 people could not live with the teachings of
the Mormons.
Evening Bulletin, Vol. IX. San Francisco, February. 20, 1860. No. 113.
Judge Cradlebaugh, of the United States Court in Utah, is now in
Washington, doing all he can against Mormondom. He has lately
challenged Hooper, the Mormon Delegate to Congress, to a public
discussion of the various Mormon questions that are now in issue
1st. That the Mormon people are subject to a theocratic government,
and recognize no law as binding which does not coincide with their
pretended revelations as promulgated by their "Prophet, Seer and
Revelator," Brigham Young.
2d. That they have taught, and still teach, treason against the
government of the United States.
3d. That they practice polygamy in a manner shocking to the moral
sense of the world, and aggravate the offence by incest and murder.
4th. That they teach the doctrine of "the shedding of human blood for
the remission if sin," as defined by their own ecclesiastical code,
and these teachings are carried into practice.
5th. That they teach the doctrine that it is right and godly that
Mormons should rob Gentiles whenever they can do so with facility and
escape public exposure. The Mountain Meadow massacre is a melancholy
proof of this fact.
6. That they teach the doctrine, and practice it, of mutilating men,
and have declared from their pulpit, with public acquiescence, that
the day was near when their valleys would resound with the voice of
eunuchs.
Mr. Hooper has not condescended to reply to the challenge, so far, and
it is presumed that he will not. The judge is too well informed an
antagonist to be met with impunity, and the wily delegate will take
especial care to avoid a conflict with him. The judge will make an
expose of Mormonism through the newspapers....
** =A0Nothing damages the uncouth as much as the awful truth.
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Hehh, yer not damaging anyone, except in yer twisted
little mind. Oh well..
**  what is your name Mr./Ms._______?
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Careful, R.L., he might put a snake in your mailbox, that appears to
be the way the Scientology god has worked in the past.
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** =A0what is your name Mr./Ms._______?
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Careful, R.L., he might put a snake in your mailbox, that appears to
be the way the Scientology god has worked in the past.
€€ so I've heard.
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Careful, R.L., he might put a snake in your mailbox, that appears to
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In a later chapter, it was revealed that Synanon leader Deitrich
bragged of Synanon's ties with Moon, Hare Krishna and even
Scientology.

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** =A0what is your name Mr./Ms._______?
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Careful, R.L., he might put a snake in your mailbox, that appears to
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Hehh, Sun Myung Moon has many relationships
with many powerful men, you should be so lucky.

Sun Myung Moon is a man of peace. His
acknowledgments of other peoples and their
beliefs was an attempt to bridge the gap.
Sun Myung Moon did NOT believe in
boundaries. Unlike most people whom
always strive to create them. Sun Myung
Moon believed that by overcoming boundaries
between peoples will promote PEACE!

I happen to believe him on that point.
Yet again Sun Myung Moon is a Shaman,
so you have to read between the lines
in order to learn the truth.

Some thing's of Sun Myung Moon
the Shaman are plainly written, while
others you must discern whatever is true
for yourself. What can I say, that's the
true nature of Shamanism. There is a little
bit of Shamanism in EVERY religion.
Especially in Sun Myung Moon's.

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Hehh, Sun Myung Moon has many relationships
with many powerful men, you should be so lucky.
** Moon also had many coital relationships in his youth
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Sun Myung Moon is a man of peace. His
acknowledgments of other peoples and their
beliefs was an attempt to bridge the gap.
Sun Myung Moon did NOT believe in
boundaries. Unlike most people whom
always strive to create them. Sun Myung
Moon believed that by overcoming boundaries
between peoples will promote PEACE!
** But Moon is undoubtedly a megalomaniac since he sees himself as Fuehrer.
Post by bd4u.utah
I happen to believe him on that point.
Yet again Sun Myung Moon is a Shaman,
so you have to read between the lines
in order to learn the truth.
** The truth is that Moon said:

"God is now throwing Christianity away and is now establishing a new
religion, and this new religion is the Unification Church... With the
fullness of time, God has sent his messenger to resolve the fundamental
questions of life and the universe. His name is Sun Myung Moon."--Sun
Myung Moon in Divine Principle.
"So from this time of peak every people or every organization that goes
against the Unification Church will gradually come down or drastically
come down and die. Many people will die those who do against our
movement." (Master Speaks 2/14/74)
"The whole world is in my hand, and I will conquer and subjugate the
world." (Master Speaks 5/17/73)
"Then in one sense, Father, Heavenly Father will say "Reverend Moon is far
better than me, the Heavenly Father". In a short period of time, He will
synthesize, He will crush the enemy and let them surrender. Our Master
senses this kind of feeling of the Heavenly Father. Also, he is proud of
himself and appreciates that Jesus Christ's unfinished job of 6000 years
has been completed by him in his lifetime." (Master Speaks 7/31/74)
"So telling a lie becomes a sin if you tell it to take advantage of a
person, but if you tell a lie to do a good thing for him that is not a
sin. Even God tells lies very often; you can see this throughout history."
(Master Speaks 3/16/72)
The Discipling Movement
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Some thing's of Sun Myung Moon
the Shaman are plainly written, while
others you must discern whatever is true
for yourself. What can I say, that's the
true nature of Shamanism. There is a little
bit of Shamanism in EVERY religion.
Especially in Sun Myung Moon's.
** clearly an understatement.
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bd4u.utah
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Hehh, yer not damaging anyone, except in yer twisted
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** =3DA0what is your name Mr./Ms._______?
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Scientology.
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Hehh, Sun Myung Moon has many relationships
with many powerful men, you should be so lucky.
**  Moon also had many coital relationships in his youth
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Sun Myung Moon is a man of peace. His
acknowledgments of other peoples and their
beliefs was an attempt to bridge the gap.
Sun Myung Moon did NOT believe in
boundaries. Unlike most people whom
always strive to create them. Sun Myung
Moon believed that by overcoming boundaries
between peoples will promote PEACE!
**  But Moon is undoubtedly a megalomaniac since he sees himself as Fuehrer.  
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I happen to believe him on that point.
Yet again Sun Myung Moon is a Shaman,
so you have to read between the lines
in order to learn the truth.
"God is now throwing Christianity away and is now establishing a new
religion, and this new religion is the Unification Church... With the
fullness of time, God has sent his messenger to resolve the fundamental
questions of life and the universe. His name is Sun Myung Moon."--Sun
Myung Moon in Divine Principle.
"So from this time of peak every people or every organization that goes
against the Unification Church will gradually come down or drastically
come down and die. Many people will die those who do against our
movement." (Master Speaks 2/14/74)
"The whole world is in my hand, and I will conquer and subjugate the
world." (Master Speaks 5/17/73)
"Then in one sense, Father, Heavenly Father will say "Reverend Moon is far
better than me, the Heavenly Father". In a short period of time, He will
synthesize, He will crush the enemy and let them surrender. Our Master
senses this kind of feeling of the Heavenly Father. Also, he is proud of
himself and appreciates that Jesus Christ's unfinished job of 6000 years
has been completed by him in his lifetime." (Master Speaks 7/31/74)
"So telling a lie becomes a sin if you tell it to take advantage of a
person, but if you tell a lie to do a good thing for him that is not a
sin. Even God tells lies very often; you can see this throughout history."
(Master Speaks 3/16/72)
The Discipling Movement
Wow, so Moon thinks he is better than God. Now there is a super sized
ego for you! Course, if God doesn't exist, that makes Moon better
than nothing! ;-))))
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Some thing's of Sun Myung Moon
the Shaman are plainly written, while
others you must discern whatever is true
for yourself. What can I say, that's the
true nature of Shamanism. There is a little
bit of Shamanism in EVERY religion.
Especially in Sun Myung Moon's.
**  clearly an understatement.
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bd4u.utah
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Careful, R.L., he might put a snake in your mailbox, that appears to
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_________________
Hehh, Sun Myung Moon has many relationships
with many powerful men, you should be so lucky.
**  Moon also had many coital relationships in his youth
Post by bd4u.utah
Sun Myung Moon is a man of peace. His
acknowledgments of other peoples and their
beliefs was an attempt to bridge the gap.
Sun Myung Moon did NOT believe in
boundaries. Unlike most people whom
always strive to create them. Sun Myung
Moon believed that by overcoming boundaries
between peoples will promote PEACE!
**  But Moon is undoubtedly a megalomaniac since he sees himself as Fuehrer.  
Post by bd4u.utah
I happen to believe him on that point.
Yet again Sun Myung Moon is a Shaman,
so you have to read between the lines
in order to learn the truth.
"God is now throwing Christianity away and is now establishing a new
religion, and this new religion is the Unification Church... With the
fullness of time, God has sent his messenger to resolve the fundamental
questions of life and the universe. His name is Sun Myung Moon."--Sun
Myung Moon in Divine Principle.
"So from this time of peak every people or every organization that goes
against the Unification Church will gradually come down or drastically
come down and die. Many people will die those who do against our
movement." (Master Speaks 2/14/74)
"The whole world is in my hand, and I will conquer and subjugate the
world." (Master Speaks 5/17/73)
"Then in one sense, Father, Heavenly Father will say "Reverend Moon is far
better than me, the Heavenly Father". In a short period of time, He will
synthesize, He will crush the enemy and let them surrender. Our Master
senses this kind of feeling of the Heavenly Father. Also, he is proud of
himself and appreciates that Jesus Christ's unfinished job of 6000 years
has been completed by him in his lifetime." (Master Speaks 7/31/74)
"So telling a lie becomes a sin if you tell it to take advantage of a
person, but if you tell a lie to do a good thing for him that is not a
sin. Even God tells lies very often; you can see this throughout history."
(Master Speaks 3/16/72)
The Discipling Movement
Wow, so Moon thinks he is better than God.  Now there is a super sized
ego for you!  Course, if God doesn't exist, that makes Moon better
than nothing!  ;-))))
Pretty amazing the menagerie of crackpots, maniacs, pedophiles,
murderers, and idiots that God chooses to speak on his behalf.

God also constantly seems to require some kind of sales
and marketing plan. Why do God's spokesmen need
to use the same sales techniques to pitch God as
door-to-door brush, cosmetic, or insurance salesmen use?
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Hehh, yer not damaging anyone, except in yer twisted
little mind. Oh well..
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Careful, R.L., he might put a snake in your mailbox, that appears to
be the way the Scientology god has worked in the past.
=A0so I've heard.
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In a later chapter, it was revealed that Synanon leader Deitrich
bragged of Synanon's ties with Moon, Hare Krishna and even
Scientology.
_________________
Hehh, Sun Myung Moon has many relationships
with many powerful men, you should be so lucky.
**  Moon also had many coital relationships in his youth
Post by bd4u.utah
Sun Myung Moon is a man of peace. His
acknowledgments of other peoples and their
beliefs was an attempt to bridge the gap.
Sun Myung Moon did NOT believe in
boundaries. Unlike most people whom
always strive to create them. Sun Myung
Moon believed that by overcoming boundaries
between peoples will promote PEACE!
**  But Moon is undoubtedly a megalomaniac since he sees himself as Fuehrer.  
Post by bd4u.utah
I happen to believe him on that point.
Yet again Sun Myung Moon is a Shaman,
so you have to read between the lines
in order to learn the truth.
"God is now throwing Christianity away and is now establishing a new
religion, and this new religion is the Unification Church... With the
fullness of time, God has sent his messenger to resolve the fundamental
questions of life and the universe. His name is Sun Myung Moon."--Sun
Myung Moon in Divine Principle.
"So from this time of peak every people or every organization that goes
against the Unification Church will gradually come down or drastically
come down and die. Many people will die those who do against our
movement." (Master Speaks 2/14/74)
"The whole world is in my hand, and I will conquer and subjugate the
world." (Master Speaks 5/17/73)
"Then in one sense, Father, Heavenly Father will say "Reverend Moon is far
better than me, the Heavenly Father". In a short period of time, He will
synthesize, He will crush the enemy and let them surrender. Our Master
senses this kind of feeling of the Heavenly Father. Also, he is proud of
himself and appreciates that Jesus Christ's unfinished job of 6000 years
has been completed by him in his lifetime." (Master Speaks 7/31/74)
"So telling a lie becomes a sin if you tell it to take advantage of a
person, but if you tell a lie to do a good thing for him that is not a
sin. Even God tells lies very often; you can see this throughout history."
(Master Speaks 3/16/72)
The Discipling Movement
Wow, so Moon thinks he is better than God.  Now there is a super sized
ego for you!  Course, if God doesn't exist, that makes Moon better
than nothing!  ;-))))
Pretty amazing the menagerie of crackpots, maniacs,  pedophiles,
murderers, and idiots that God chooses to speak on his behalf.
God also constantly seems to require some kind of sales
and marketing plan.    Why do God's spokesmen need
to use the same sales techniques to pitch God as
door-to-door brush,  cosmetic, or insurance salesmen use?-
I have a hard time answering that, Sully. I'm thinking back to the
time I served a mission, trying to remember what motivated me. I
think it was the belief that somehow God would take charge of my life
and make me happy. I think, also, that as a young man I was easily
influenced by others. Now, I realize that being a member of the LDS
church was one of biggest mistakes of my life. It wasn't the people,
people are people and we must accept or reject them as they are. Most
of our friends are people within the same income bracket and think
simular to ourselves. I'm an old man. I can think back to the
imature and stupid things I have done and said in the past. Now I am
a realist. If my 5 senses do not recognize it, it is not part of my
life. Right now, I am mostly involved in love, love for my children,
grand children, great grand children and near and dear friends. My
friends are honest with me, do not hurt me, do not insult me, and love
me as I am, ....and I return their love. Love make life simple and
happy for me without the complications that God gives life.
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In a later chapter, it was revealed that Synanon leader Deitrich
bragged of Synanon's ties with Moon, Hare Krishna and even
Scientology.
_________________
Hehh, Sun Myung Moon has many relationships
with many powerful men, you should be so lucky.
**  Moon also had many coital relationships in his youth
Post by bd4u.utah
Sun Myung Moon is a man of peace. His
acknowledgments of other peoples and their
beliefs was an attempt to bridge the gap.
Sun Myung Moon did NOT believe in
boundaries. Unlike most people whom
always strive to create them. Sun Myung
Moon believed that by overcoming boundaries
between peoples will promote PEACE!
**  But Moon is undoubtedly a megalomaniac since he sees himself as Fuehrer.  
Post by bd4u.utah
I happen to believe him on that point.
Yet again Sun Myung Moon is a Shaman,
so you have to read between the lines
in order to learn the truth.
"God is now throwing Christianity away and is now establishing a new
religion, and this new religion is the Unification Church... With the
fullness of time, God has sent his messenger to resolve the fundamental
questions of life and the universe. His name is Sun Myung Moon."--Sun
Myung Moon in Divine Principle.
"So from this time of peak every people or every organization that goes
against the Unification Church will gradually come down or drastically
come down and die. Many people will die those who do against our
movement." (Master Speaks 2/14/74)
"The whole world is in my hand, and I will conquer and subjugate the
world." (Master Speaks 5/17/73)
"Then in one sense, Father, Heavenly Father will say "Reverend Moon is far
better than me, the Heavenly Father". In a short period of time, He will
synthesize, He will crush the enemy and let them surrender. Our Master
senses this kind of feeling of the Heavenly Father. Also, he is proud of
himself and appreciates that Jesus Christ's unfinished job of 6000 years
has been completed by him in his lifetime." (Master Speaks 7/31/74)
"So telling a lie becomes a sin if you tell it to take advantage of a
person, but if you tell a lie to do a good thing for him that is not a
sin. Even God tells lies very often; you can see this throughout history."
(Master Speaks 3/16/72)
The Discipling Movement
Wow, so Moon thinks he is better than God.  Now there is a super sized
ego for you!  Course, if God doesn't exist, that makes Moon better
than nothing!  ;-))))
Pretty amazing the menagerie of crackpots, maniacs,  pedophiles,
murderers, and idiots that God chooses to speak on his behalf.
God also constantly seems to require some kind of sales
and marketing plan.    Why do God's spokesmen need
to use the same sales techniques to pitch God as
door-to-door brush,  cosmetic, or insurance salesmen use?-
I have a hard time answering that, Sully.  I'm thinking back to the
time I served a mission, trying to remember what motivated me.  I
I think missions are very good character building
exercises. Any time you go door to door to try to
sell something to people who will mostly always
tell you to 'get lost', it builds a toughness. I can
see why the LDS does this in pairs.

I sold insurance door to door for a year. It was
the Combined Insurance Company, a company
founded by W Clement Stone, who was the
first wealth evangelist, one of the first "success
book" gurus in the US. He pioneered sales
techniques that were masterful in human psychology.
These techniques were adopted by many door
to door sales companies, incl Amway, Fuller,
Mary Kay, etc. I was amazed after having
become good at it to recognize the techniques
being used by missionaries, not just mormons,
but JW's and others.

I found it most entertaining then when missionaries
came to my place, and would be absolutely
welcoming, bring out lemonade, put out lawn
chairs on the lawn under the tree, and pop
a beer for myself. I'd bring out my own copy
of KJB for my use.

At the end of our visit, I would sometimes give
helpful hints on their sales pitch.

I wonder why God sends these guys and
doesn't just tell me himself.

lazy God.
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Careful, R.L., he might put a snake in your mailbox, that appears to
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In a later chapter, it was revealed that Synanon leader Deitrich
bragged of Synanon's ties with Moon, Hare Krishna and even
Scientology.
_________________
Hehh, Sun Myung Moon has many relationships
with many powerful men, you should be so lucky.
**  Moon also had many coital relationships in his youth
Post by bd4u.utah
Sun Myung Moon is a man of peace. His
acknowledgments of other peoples and their
beliefs was an attempt to bridge the gap.
Sun Myung Moon did NOT believe in
boundaries. Unlike most people whom
always strive to create them. Sun Myung
Moon believed that by overcoming boundaries
between peoples will promote PEACE!
**  But Moon is undoubtedly a megalomaniac since he sees himself as Fuehrer.  
Post by bd4u.utah
I happen to believe him on that point.
Yet again Sun Myung Moon is a Shaman,
so you have to read between the lines
in order to learn the truth.
"God is now throwing Christianity away and is now establishing a new
religion, and this new religion is the Unification Church... With the
fullness of time, God has sent his messenger to resolve the fundamental
questions of life and the universe. His name is Sun Myung Moon."--Sun
Myung Moon in Divine Principle.
"So from this time of peak every people or every organization that goes
against the Unification Church will gradually come down or drastically
come down and die. Many people will die those who do against our
movement." (Master Speaks 2/14/74)
"The whole world is in my hand, and I will conquer and subjugate the
world." (Master Speaks 5/17/73)
"Then in one sense, Father, Heavenly Father will say "Reverend Moon is far
better than me, the Heavenly Father". In a short period of time, He will
synthesize, He will crush the enemy and let them surrender. Our Master
senses this kind of feeling of the Heavenly Father. Also, he is proud of
himself and appreciates that Jesus Christ's unfinished job of 6000 years
has been completed by him in his lifetime." (Master Speaks 7/31/74)
"So telling a lie becomes a sin if you tell it to take advantage of a
person, but if you tell a lie to do a good thing for him that is not a
sin. Even God tells lies very often; you can see this throughout history."
(Master Speaks 3/16/72)
The Discipling Movement
Wow, so Moon thinks he is better than God.  Now there is a super sized
ego for you!  Course, if God doesn't exist, that makes Moon better
than nothing!  ;-))))
Pretty amazing the menagerie of crackpots, maniacs,  pedophiles,
murderers, and idiots that God chooses to speak on his behalf.
God also constantly seems to require some kind of sales
and marketing plan.    Why do God's spokesmen need
to use the same sales techniques to pitch God as
door-to-door brush,  cosmetic, or insurance salesmen use?-
I have a hard time answering that, Sully.  I'm thinking back to the
time I served a mission, trying to remember what motivated me.  I
I think missions are very good character building
exercises.  Any time you go door to door to try to
sell something to people who will mostly always
tell you to 'get lost', it builds a toughness.   I can
see why the LDS does this in pairs.
I sold insurance door to door for a year.   It was
the Combined Insurance Company, a company
founded by W Clement Stone, who was the
first wealth evangelist,  one of the first "success
book" gurus in the US.   He pioneered sales
techniques that were masterful in human psychology.
These techniques were adopted by many door
to door sales companies,  incl Amway, Fuller,
Mary Kay, etc.    I was amazed after having
become good at it to recognize the techniques
being used by missionaries, not just mormons,
but JW's and others.
I found it most entertaining then when missionaries
came to my place, and would be absolutely
welcoming, bring out lemonade,  put out lawn
chairs on the lawn under the tree,  and pop
a beer for myself.   I'd bring out my own copy
of KJB for my use.
At the end of our visit, I would sometimes give
helpful hints on their sales pitch.
I wonder why God sends these guys and
doesn't just tell me himself.
lazy God.-
Lazy and money loving God! Yes, you are right, missionary work is a
good training ground for business. It helped me become CEO of my own
business and helped me analyze problems before making decisions.
However, the thing that bothered me by becoming a member was loosing
my independents, I relied on the church for most of my decisions, you
know, "the thinking has been done". Also, the time demands of the
church was too great. It was when I left the church that I started my
own business. I am now retired, own my own aircraft, have a home in
Africa, France and California. I travel somewhat and am not tied down
to a ward job. I donate to welfare and help others as I can. And
yes, the missionaries still visit me and I greet them kindly. If they
ask a question about the church, I answer it honestly and as kindly as
I can. They claim they like to visit me because of my opposition to
the church it gives them a good training format. I find that the
missionaries and most of the members do not have a good background of
their own church, and it was this background history that started my
inactivity. When I honestly review my past as a church member, I
realize that I never actually received inspiration, never really had a
prayer answered, nevery had the Holy Ghost speak to me, never had a
priesthood blessing come true,...but I had convinced myself that these
things were true. Sorry, Sully, I'm rambling, characteristic of old
people. Enjoy your comments.
sully
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** =3DA0what is your name Mr./Ms._______?
--
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Careful, R.L., he might put a snake in your mailbox, that appears to
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In a later chapter, it was revealed that Synanon leader Deitrich
bragged of Synanon's ties with Moon, Hare Krishna and even
Scientology.
_________________
Hehh, Sun Myung Moon has many relationships
with many powerful men, you should be so lucky.
**  Moon also had many coital relationships in his youth
Post by bd4u.utah
Sun Myung Moon is a man of peace. His
acknowledgments of other peoples and their
beliefs was an attempt to bridge the gap.
Sun Myung Moon did NOT believe in
boundaries. Unlike most people whom
always strive to create them. Sun Myung
Moon believed that by overcoming boundaries
between peoples will promote PEACE!
**  But Moon is undoubtedly a megalomaniac since he sees himself as Fuehrer.  
Post by bd4u.utah
I happen to believe him on that point.
Yet again Sun Myung Moon is a Shaman,
so you have to read between the lines
in order to learn the truth.
"God is now throwing Christianity away and is now establishing a new
religion, and this new religion is the Unification Church... With the
fullness of time, God has sent his messenger to resolve the fundamental
questions of life and the universe. His name is Sun Myung Moon."--Sun
Myung Moon in Divine Principle.
"So from this time of peak every people or every organization that goes
against the Unification Church will gradually come down or drastically
come down and die. Many people will die those who do against our
movement." (Master Speaks 2/14/74)
"The whole world is in my hand, and I will conquer and subjugate the
world." (Master Speaks 5/17/73)
"Then in one sense, Father, Heavenly Father will say "Reverend Moon is far
better than me, the Heavenly Father". In a short period of time, He will
synthesize, He will crush the enemy and let them surrender. Our Master
senses this kind of feeling of the Heavenly Father. Also, he is proud of
himself and appreciates that Jesus Christ's unfinished job of 6000 years
has been completed by him in his lifetime." (Master Speaks 7/31/74)
"So telling a lie becomes a sin if you tell it to take advantage of a
person, but if you tell a lie to do a good thing for him that is not a
sin. Even God tells lies very often; you can see this throughout history."
(Master Speaks 3/16/72)
The Discipling Movement
Wow, so Moon thinks he is better than God.  Now there is a super sized
ego for you!  Course, if God doesn't exist, that makes Moon better
than nothing!  ;-))))
Pretty amazing the menagerie of crackpots, maniacs,  pedophiles,
murderers, and idiots that God chooses to speak on his behalf.
God also constantly seems to require some kind of sales
and marketing plan.    Why do God's spokesmen need
to use the same sales techniques to pitch God as
door-to-door brush,  cosmetic, or insurance salesmen use?-
I have a hard time answering that, Sully.  I'm thinking back to the
time I served a mission, trying to remember what motivated me.  I
I think missions are very good character building
exercises.  Any time you go door to door to try to
sell something to people who will mostly always
tell you to 'get lost', it builds a toughness.   I can
see why the LDS does this in pairs.
I sold insurance door to door for a year.   It was
the Combined Insurance Company, a company
founded by W Clement Stone, who was the
first wealth evangelist,  one of the first "success
book" gurus in the US.   He pioneered sales
techniques that were masterful in human psychology.
These techniques were adopted by many door
to door sales companies,  incl Amway, Fuller,
Mary Kay, etc.    I was amazed after having
become good at it to recognize the techniques
being used by missionaries, not just mormons,
but JW's and others.
I found it most entertaining then when missionaries
came to my place, and would be absolutely
welcoming, bring out lemonade,  put out lawn
chairs on the lawn under the tree,  and pop
a beer for myself.   I'd bring out my own copy
of KJB for my use.
At the end of our visit, I would sometimes give
helpful hints on their sales pitch.
I wonder why God sends these guys and
doesn't just tell me himself.
lazy God.-
Lazy and money loving God!  Yes, you are right, missionary work is a
good training ground for business.  It helped me become CEO of my own
business and helped me analyze problems before making decisions.
However, the thing that bothered me by becoming a member was loosing
my independents, I relied on the church for most of my decisions, you
know, "the thinking has been done".  Also, the time demands of the
church was too great.  It was when I left the church that I started my
own business.  I am now retired, own my own aircraft, have a home in
Africa, France and California.  I travel somewhat and am not tied down
to a ward job.  I donate to welfare and help others as I can.  And
yes, the missionaries still visit me and I greet them kindly.  If they
ask a question about the church, I answer it honestly and as kindly as
I can.  They claim they like to visit me because of my opposition to
the church it gives them a good training format.  I find that the
missionaries and most of the members do not have a good background of
their own church, and it was this background history that started my
inactivity.  When I honestly review my past as a church member, I
realize that I never actually received inspiration, never really had a
prayer answered, nevery had the Holy Ghost speak to me, never had a
priesthood blessing come true,...but I had convinced myself that these
things were true.  Sorry, Sully, I'm rambling, characteristic of old
people.  Enjoy your comments.
It's fascinating how we are capable of split-level
thinking, and it is the primary reason I read and
post to ARM. I do it myself, it's not restricted to
true believers, it's human nature.

TBMs will tsk tsk at your statement and say
you weren't honestly seeking the HG, thus he
couldn't find his way to your heart. It's that
circular argument. You have to believe something
in order to believe it... :^)

Yet the TBM is totally clueless to
rationally respond to how
so many people fervently believe so much
nonsense based upon the same model of
"believe and have faith, therefore you'll get
evidence". This covers every kind of crackpot
religion or belief.

You know even better than I that
in the LDS meetings, there are people
who share their testimony that some TBMs
will listen to and cluck at as being nonsense.

So here we have TBMs in the same stake
in the same culture will not even believe each
others' testimonies!

Odd no?

My Catholic grandmother didn't believe she would get
to heaven unless she had her funeral mass said
in Latin.

I asked my dad how much that cost to do, and
he sort of made this flapping motion with his
hands shaking his head.

none of us were true believing Catholics anymore,
by then I was well on the road to atheism, my
dad just didn't give it much thought.
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Hehh, yer not damaging anyone, except in yer twisted
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Careful, R.L., he might put a snake in your mailbox, that appears to
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In a later chapter, it was revealed that Synanon leader Deitrich
bragged of Synanon's ties with Moon, Hare Krishna and even
Scientology.
_________________
Hehh, Sun Myung Moon has many relationships
with many powerful men, you should be so lucky.
**  Moon also had many coital relationships in his youth
Post by bd4u.utah
Sun Myung Moon is a man of peace. His
acknowledgments of other peoples and their
beliefs was an attempt to bridge the gap.
Sun Myung Moon did NOT believe in
boundaries. Unlike most people whom
always strive to create them. Sun Myung
Moon believed that by overcoming boundaries
between peoples will promote PEACE!
**  But Moon is undoubtedly a megalomaniac since he sees himself as Fuehrer.  
Post by bd4u.utah
I happen to believe him on that point.
Yet again Sun Myung Moon is a Shaman,
so you have to read between the lines
in order to learn the truth.
"God is now throwing Christianity away and is now establishing a new
religion, and this new religion is the Unification Church... With the
fullness of time, God has sent his messenger to resolve the fundamental
questions of life and the universe. His name is Sun Myung Moon."--Sun
Myung Moon in Divine Principle.
"So from this time of peak every people or every organization that goes
against the Unification Church will gradually come down or drastically
come down and die. Many people will die those who do against our
movement." (Master Speaks 2/14/74)
"The whole world is in my hand, and I will conquer and subjugate the
world." (Master Speaks 5/17/73)
"Then in one sense, Father, Heavenly Father will say "Reverend Moon is far
better than me, the Heavenly Father". In a short period of time, He will
synthesize, He will crush the enemy and let them surrender. Our Master
senses this kind of feeling of the Heavenly Father. Also, he is proud of
himself and appreciates that Jesus Christ's unfinished job of 6000 years
has been completed by him in his lifetime." (Master Speaks 7/31/74)
"So telling a lie becomes a sin if you tell it to take advantage of a
person, but if you tell a lie to do a good thing for him that is not a
sin. Even God tells lies very often; you can see this throughout history."
(Master Speaks 3/16/72)
The Discipling Movement
Wow, so Moon thinks he is better than God.  Now there is a super sized
ego for you!  Course, if God doesn't exist, that makes Moon better
than nothing!  ;-))))
Pretty amazing the menagerie of crackpots, maniacs,  pedophiles,
murderers, and idiots that God chooses to speak on his behalf.
God also constantly seems to require some kind of sales
and marketing plan.    Why do God's spokesmen need
to use the same sales techniques to pitch God as
door-to-door brush,  cosmetic, or insurance salesmen use?-
I have a hard time answering that, Sully.  I'm thinking back to the
time I served a mission, trying to remember what motivated me.  I
I think missions are very good character building
exercises.  Any time you go door to door to try to
sell something to people who will mostly always
tell you to 'get lost', it builds a toughness.   I can
see why the LDS does this in pairs.
I sold insurance door to door for a year.   It was
the Combined Insurance Company, a company
founded by W Clement Stone, who was the
first wealth evangelist,  one of the first "success
book" gurus in the US.   He pioneered sales
techniques that were masterful in human psychology.
These techniques were adopted by many door
to door sales companies,  incl Amway, Fuller,
Mary Kay, etc.    I was amazed after having
become good at it to recognize the techniques
being used by missionaries, not just mormons,
but JW's and others.
I found it most entertaining then when missionaries
came to my place, and would be absolutely
welcoming, bring out lemonade,  put out lawn
chairs on the lawn under the tree,  and pop
a beer for myself.   I'd bring out my own copy
of KJB for my use.
At the end of our visit, I would sometimes give
helpful hints on their sales pitch.
I wonder why God sends these guys and
doesn't just tell me himself.
lazy God.-
Lazy and money loving God!  Yes, you are right, missionary work is a
good training ground for business.  It helped me become CEO of my own
business and helped me analyze problems before making decisions.
However, the thing that bothered me by becoming a member was loosing
my independents, I relied on the church for most of my decisions, you
know, "the thinking has been done".  Also, the time demands of the
church was too great.  It was when I left the church that I started my
own business.  I am now retired, own my own aircraft, have a home in
Africa, France and California.  I travel somewhat and am not tied down
to a ward job.  I donate to welfare and help others as I can.  And
yes, the missionaries still visit me and I greet them kindly.  If they
ask a question about the church, I answer it honestly and as kindly as
I can.  They claim they like to visit me because of my opposition to
the church it gives them a good training format.  I find that the
missionaries and most of the members do not have a good background of
their own church, and it was this background history that started my
inactivity.  When I honestly review my past as a church member, I
realize that I never actually received inspiration, never really had a
prayer answered, nevery had the Holy Ghost speak to me, never had a
priesthood blessing come true,...but I had convinced myself that these
things were true.  Sorry, Sully, I'm rambling, characteristic of old
people.  Enjoy your comments.
It's fascinating how we are capable of split-level
thinking, and it is the primary reason I read and
post to ARM.   I do it myself, it's not restricted to
true believers,  it's human nature.
Ah yes, to err is human!
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TBMs will tsk tsk at your statement and say
you weren't honestly seeking the HG, thus he
couldn't find his way to your heart.   It's that
circular argument.    You have to believe something
in order to believe it... :^)
Tell you what, Sully, it is true that I did not have the Holy Ghost,
but I do have grand children who I can put my arms around and they can
hug me around the neck,...I never could do that with the HolGhost. I
can buy them gifts, help with their college, give them money,...and
all without the help of the Holy Ghost. Not many in my old ward with
the Holy Ghost could do that. I'm not sure what it is I'm missing! I
have found love with my children and I don't have to imagine it like I
did with the Holy Ghost. I have absolutely no doubt that my children
love me,...I was never sure I measured up well enough to gain the love
of the Holy Ghost. I would rather spend hours with my grand children
than hours sitting in a Bishopric meeting. I'll leave that to the
TBM's whos kids raise hell in Sunday School.
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Yet the TBM is totally clueless to
rationally respond to how
so many people fervently believe so much
nonsense based upon the same model of
"believe and have faith, therefore you'll get
evidence".   This covers every kind of crackpot
religion or belief.
Agree! I had a heart attack about 1 month ago. My heart stopped
while I was in emergency and the Drs. restarted it with the paddles.
I now have a pacemaker. When my LDS friends learned of my heart
attack, (small town), they came around and wanted to know if I had a
near death experience, if I saw Christ, or a tunnel with light, or my
dead relatives? I said, "No, all I saw was black". If I had told
them I had a NDE, they would have believed it. They were greatly
disappointed with my answer.
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You know even better than I that
in the LDS meetings,  there are people
who share their testimony that some TBMs
will listen to and cluck at as being nonsense.
Oh yes, I have heard the grumblings.
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So here we have TBMs in the same stake
in the same culture will not even believe each
others' testimonies!
Odd no?
My Catholic grandmother didn't believe she would get
to heaven unless she had her funeral mass said
in Latin.
I asked my dad how much that cost to do, and
he sort of made this flapping motion with his
hands shaking his head.
none of us were true believing Catholics anymore,
by then I was well on the road to atheism,  my
dad just didn't give it much thought.-
I'm not sure if I am atheist or agnostic. Probably more atheistic
since my hobby is the study of astrophysics.
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Pretty amazing the menagerie of crackpots, maniacs, pedophiles,
murderers, and idiots that God chooses to speak on his behalf.
God also constantly seems to require some kind of sales
and marketing plan. Why do God's spokesmen need
to use the same sales techniques to pitch God as
door-to-door brush, cosmetic, or insurance salesmen use?
well it's annoying but don't forget it is the face of his organization run
by his organization
they apparently like it that way
explains why they don't have more followers but if they don't understand pr
and think this is the way to do it then maybe they don't deserve followers
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In a later chapter, it was revealed that Synanon leader Deitrich
bragged of Synanon's ties with Moon, Hare Krishna and even
Scientology.
_________________
Hehh, Sun Myung Moon has many relationships
with many powerful men, you should be so lucky.
**  Moon also had many coital relationships in his youth
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Sun Myung Moon is a man of peace. His
acknowledgments of other peoples and their
beliefs was an attempt to bridge the gap.
Sun Myung Moon did NOT believe in
boundaries. Unlike most people whom
always strive to create them. Sun Myung
Moon believed that by overcoming boundaries
between peoples will promote PEACE!
**  But Moon is undoubtedly a megalomaniac since he sees himself as Fuehrer.  
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I happen to believe him on that point.
Yet again Sun Myung Moon is a Shaman,
so you have to read between the lines
in order to learn the truth.
"God is now throwing Christianity away and is now establishing a new
religion, and this new religion is the Unification Church... With the
fullness of time, God has sent his messenger to resolve the fundamental
questions of life and the universe. His name is Sun Myung Moon."--Sun
Myung Moon in Divine Principle.
"So from this time of peak every people or every organization that goes
against the Unification Church will gradually come down or drastically
come down and die. Many people will die those who do against our
movement." (Master Speaks 2/14/74)
"The whole world is in my hand, and I will conquer and subjugate the
world." (Master Speaks 5/17/73)
"Then in one sense, Father, Heavenly Father will say "Reverend Moon is far
better than me, the Heavenly Father". In a short period of time, He will
synthesize, He will crush the enemy and let them surrender. Our Master
senses this kind of feeling of the Heavenly Father. Also, he is proud of
himself and appreciates that Jesus Christ's unfinished job of 6000 years
has been completed by him in his lifetime." (Master Speaks 7/31/74)
"So telling a lie becomes a sin if you tell it to take advantage of a
person, but if you tell a lie to do a good thing for him that is not a
sin. Even God tells lies very often; you can see this throughout history."
(Master Speaks 3/16/72)
The Discipling Movement
Wow, so Moon thinks he is better than God.  Now there is a super sized
ego for you!  Course, if God doesn't exist, that makes Moon better
than nothing!  ;-))))
Pretty amazing the menagerie of crackpots, maniacs, pedophiles,
murderers, and idiots that God chooses to speak on his behalf.
God also constantly seems to require some kind of sales
and marketing plan. Why do God's spokesmen need
to use the same sales techniques to pitch God as
door-to-door brush, cosmetic, or insurance salesmen use?
God doesn't require that, it is the people who wrongly think that
religion is a corporate matter. Then there are the religous hacks on
TV prostitute themselves for fame and money, and many times sex.
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acknowledgments of other peoples and their
beliefs was an attempt to bridge the gap.
Sun Myung Moon did NOT believe in
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between peoples will promote PEACE!
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I happen to believe him on that point.
Yet again Sun Myung Moon is a Shaman,
so you have to read between the lines
in order to learn the truth.
"God is now throwing Christianity away and is now establishing a new
religion, and this new religion is the Unification Church... With the
fullness of time, God has sent his messenger to resolve the fundamental
questions of life and the universe. His name is Sun Myung Moon."--Sun
Myung Moon in Divine Principle.
"So from this time of peak every people or every organization that goes
against the Unification Church will gradually come down or drastically
come down and die. Many people will die those who do against our
movement." (Master Speaks 2/14/74)
"The whole world is in my hand, and I will conquer and subjugate the
world." (Master Speaks 5/17/73)
"Then in one sense, Father, Heavenly Father will say "Reverend Moon is fa=
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better than me, the Heavenly Father". In a short period of time, He will
synthesize, He will crush the enemy and let them surrender. Our Master
senses this kind of feeling of the Heavenly Father. Also, he is proud of
himself and appreciates that Jesus Christ's unfinished job of 6000 years
has been completed by him in his lifetime." (Master Speaks 7/31/74)
"So telling a lie becomes a sin if you tell it to take advantage of a
person, but if you tell a lie to do a good thing for him that is not a
sin. Even God tells lies very often; you can see this throughout history.=
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(Master Speaks 3/16/72)
The Discipling Movement
Wow, so Moon thinks he is better than God. Now there is a super sized
ego for you! Course, if God doesn't exist, that makes Moon better
than nothing! ;-))))
** My take on Moon is that he's semi-bananas and that his son is
super-bananas.
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Some thing's of Sun Myung Moon
the Shaman are plainly written, while
others you must discern whatever is true
for yourself. What can I say, that's the
true nature of Shamanism. There is a little
bit of Shamanism in EVERY religion.
Especially in Sun Myung Moon's.
** =A0clearly an understatement.
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In a later chapter, it was revealed that Synanon leader Deitrich
bragged of Synanon's ties with Moon, Hare Krishna and even
Scientology.
** the claim of ties with Moon is chortlesome. The claim of ties with
$cientology® is over the top bananas.
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Hehh, ya'll are so full of suspicion that you forgot
what it means to be child like, humble. and
curious. You have both become jaded. Well I
feel sorry for you! Your cup is full.

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Hehh, ya'll are so full of suspicion that you forgot
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curious. You have both become jaded. Well I
feel sorry for you! Your cup is full.
** what's your name?
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Hehh, ya'll are so full of suspicion that you forgot
what it means to be child like, humble. and
curious. You have both become jaded. Well I
feel sorry for you! Your cup is full.
** what's your name?
His name is Bruce Daniels.
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Careful, R.L., he might put a snake in your mailbox, that appears to
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=A0so I've heard.
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Hehh, ya'll are so full of suspicion that you forgot
what it means to be child like, humble. and
curious. You have both become jaded. Well I
feel sorry for you! Your cup is full.
** what's your name?
His name is Bruce Daniels.
€€ tnx J. R. Do you know why he tried to hide his identity?
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Careful, R.L., he might put a snake in your mailbox, that appears to
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=A0so I've heard.
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Hehh, ya'll are so full of suspicion that you forgot
what it means to be child like, humble. and
curious. You have both become jaded. Well I
feel sorry for you! Your cup is full.
** what's your name?
His name is Bruce Daniels.
€€ tnx J. R. Do you know why he tried to hide his identity?
His profile used to be posted at Google Groups. Seems they no longer
offer those profiles.
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Careful, R.L., he might put a snake in your mailbox, that appears to
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=A0so I've heard.
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Hehh, ya'll are so full of suspicion that you forgot
what it means to be child like, humble. and
curious. You have both become jaded. Well I
feel sorry for you! Your cup is full.
** what's your name?
His name is Bruce Daniels.
€€ tnx J. R. Do you know why he tried to hide his identity?
His profile used to be posted at Google Groups. Seems they no longer
offer those profiles.
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Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
EST. No wonder you need a Doctor, just
to wake up in the morning. To tell ya the
truth I'm surprised yer still living.
Dude, if you could have seen my female companion you would have
drooled all over yourself,...believe it !!!!!
AND, you did all of this while posting to me on
usenet? Why am I surprised, God must have
great plans for you someplace in your life.
But what that is, I haven't the foggiest.
I doubt if you know either.
Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah
I don't believe in the God man has created.  I told you I have an aid
do the posting,....ah, Hell, what's the use posting to
you ?.....................You're to damned negative...........
Yeah well that's too bad, because he obviously
STILL believes in you! Mark my words, he has something
special in store for you, or you wouldn't STILL be alive.
Cheers.. ;-)
It appears to me that God seems to reserve his special
tortures for his true believers.
I'm always amazed by the god-loving christian who God
inflicts with a deadly cancer,  who then thanks God for
modern medicine that gives her the early detection system.
count on god-loving christians to get everything bass-ackwards.
Modern Medicine?!?
Bwahahahahahha
What's so Modern about it? Some people
refer to it as Frankensteinish the way so
called Modern Medicine butchers people.
Have you read the warning labels on
"Modern Medicine"? I think I'd rather smoke
myself to death, than take the poisons
the Doctors pass around.
Modern Medicine..
Bwahahahahahahha
That's a good un..
bd4u.utah
a true believing christian thanked God for it.  Do you think
she is delusional?
I couldn't really say, people believe all kinds
of things that violate common sense, but that
doesn't necessarily make them delusional.
Do you think God is going around and curing people of Cancer?
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Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
EST. No wonder you need a Doctor, just
to wake up in the morning. To tell ya the
truth I'm surprised yer still living.
Dude, if you could have seen my female companion you would have
drooled all over yourself,...believe it !!!!!
AND, you did all of this while posting to me on
usenet? Why am I surprised, God must have
great plans for you someplace in your life.
But what that is, I haven't the foggiest.
I doubt if you know either.
Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah
I don't believe in the God man has created.  I told you I have an aid
do the posting,....ah, Hell, what's the use posting to
you ?.....................You're to damned negative...........
Yeah well that's too bad, because he obviously
STILL believes in you! Mark my words, he has something
special in store for you, or you wouldn't STILL be alive.
Cheers.. ;-)
It appears to me that God seems to reserve his special
tortures for his true believers.
I'm always amazed by the god-loving christian who God
inflicts with a deadly cancer,  who then thanks God for
modern medicine that gives her the early detection system.
count on god-loving christians to get everything bass-ackwards.-
You are so right, Sully. I have reason to be thankful for modern
medicine lately.
If I had depended on God or His supposed servants, I would be dead.
bd4u.utah
2011-10-28 21:17:36 UTC
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Dude, I ain't crying, I'm laughing.
Can't you tell the difference?!? ;-)
Did you enjoy your STEAK at 10pm
EST. No wonder you need a Doctor, just
to wake up in the morning. To tell ya the
truth I'm surprised yer still living.
Dude, if you could have seen my female companion you would have
drooled all over yourself,...believe it !!!!!
AND, you did all of this while posting to me on
usenet? Why am I surprised, God must have
great plans for you someplace in your life.
But what that is, I haven't the foggiest.
I doubt if you know either.
Cheers.. ;-)
bd4u.utah
I don't believe in the God man has created.  I told you I have an aid
do the posting,....ah, Hell, what's the use posting to
you ?.....................You're to damned negative...........
Yeah well that's too bad, because he obviously
STILL believes in you! Mark my words, he has something
special in store for you, or you wouldn't STILL be alive.
Cheers.. ;-)
It appears to me that God seems to reserve his special
tortures for his true believers.
I'm always amazed by the god-loving christian who God
inflicts with a deadly cancer,  who then thanks God for
modern medicine that gives her the early detection system.
count on god-loving christians to get everything bass-ackwards.-
You are so right, Sully.  I have reason to be thankful for modern
medicine lately.
If I had depended on God or His supposed servants, I would be dead.
Since you don't believe in God, it won't matter that
Modern Medicine is Man Made, and not made by
God. It also won't matter to you that the rate of
failure of Modern Medicine that it will kill
you is approx 15%. About the same percent as
playing Russian Roulette. That's why they have
all that malpractice insurance, and warning
labels. But if by chance you die, who's gonna
collect, it won't be you!

bd4u.utah
Ala
2011-11-03 00:42:24 UTC
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Post by a***@yahoo.com
bd4u, I can't play religious hate with you right now, I'm on my way to
New York and my majordomo won't be available to post messages and his
voice is the only one the computer recognizes. Cheers.
http://superheroes.memebase.com/2011/11/02/superheroes-batman-superman-damien-is-just-the-sweetest/
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