Gay Marriage

Post by bd4u.utah
Would not be an agenda in politics if
the government were not involved in
religion. Marriage is based upon religious
belief. It is not a secular one. As such it is
unconstitutional for government to license
and/or legislate the affairs of Marriage.
There is absolutely NO provisions in ANY
religion that gives the State power over
marriage.
Indeed, since government has become
involved in marriage look what has happened
to it as an institution.
The covenant of marriage is between man,
woman, and God. No where in the covenant
of marriage is there the Government. That is
of course unless the Government makes it
their business. Which in my humble opinion
it shouldn't, and there is ample evidence to
prove it.
bd4u.utah

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.

Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.

Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.

This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.

Kat

2011-12-29 19:35:07 UTC

*did not fail to disappoint, rather. I really must learn to save my
final draft until after my coffee.

bd4u.utah

2011-12-31 20:14:39 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.

Two people who are in love wanting to live with each other, by
definition is NOT a Marriage. I also note that you are trying to
make it a sectarian argument which it isn't, it's purely political.
Take politics out of Marriage, and it ends the argument. It's that
simple.

bd4u.utah

Kat

2011-12-31 21:47:52 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.

Two people who are in love wanting to live with each other, by
definition is NOT a Marriage.

If they want to live together for the rest of their life, commit to
each other before friends and family and whatever they perceive to be
a higher power.. yes, that IS a marriage. It doesn't matter what faith
it is based around. It doesn't matter if people are gay or straight.

Post by bd4u.utah
I also note that you are trying to
make it a sectarian argument which it isn't, it's purely political.
Take politics out of Marriage, and it ends the argument. It's that
simple.
bd4u.utah

How about you take religion out of politics and social rights
instead.

bd4u.utah

2012-01-01 10:18:22 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.

Two people who are in love wanting to live with each other, by
definition is NOT a Marriage.

I never said it did. On the contrary, I'm suggesting that it doesn't
matter. That the argument is a political one to begin with.

How about you take religion out of politics and social rights
instead.

How about you stick to the facts, and quit trying to make it
a sectarian argument when it isn't. All the sudden legislation
makes marriage another entitlement program, and Gays
want to be included. Well I don't blame them, because as
long as Marriage is legislated it immediately becomes an
equal rights issue because of it.

Funny how for millennial before they started legislating
marriage the question of Gay Marriage was never raised,
or became an issue. See the issue here isn't Gay, and it
isn't Marriage, it's Politics where it has no business.

bd4u.utah

Kat

2012-01-01 18:29:31 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.

Two people who are in love wanting to live with each other, by
definition is NOT a Marriage.

I never said it did. On the contrary, I'm suggesting that it doesn't
matter. That the argument is a political one to begin with.

How about you take religion out of politics and social rights
instead.

It IS secular because marriage isn't just a religious institution in
this country! I can walk down to the justice of the peace right now
with my fiance and get married. No prayers, no religion.. just a piece
of paper that will change our rights as a couple. Atheists get
married. They get married all the time as a matter of fact. Why?
Because it is NO LONGER JUST A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION.

If I were a lesbian and fell into a coma, my lover wouldn't have the
right in most places (no matter how many years we had been together!)
to make a medical decision on my behalf. It would fall to my family,
who won't always make the decision that *I* would want. Hell, most
hospitals won't even let the same gendered partner into the room to
visit their loved ones in intensive care!

Post by bd4u.utah
Funny how for millennial before they started legislating
marriage the question of Gay Marriage was never raised,
or became an issue. See the issue here isn't Gay, and it
isn't Marriage, it's Politics where it has no business.
bd4u.utah

It does have business there! Our founding fathers wanted the rights of
minorities to be protected. Not just racial minorities, but religious
minorities as well. Racial rights were a long hard fight for our
country. Gay/lesbian/transgender rights are the next thing that we
must recognize as a country. Gays and lesbians and transgendered
people are human beings and should have the same rights as the rest of
us.

a***@yahoo.com

2012-01-01 19:38:09 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.

Two people who are in love wanting to live with each other, by
definition is NOT a Marriage.

I never said it did. On the contrary, I'm suggesting that it doesn't
matter. That the argument is a political one to begin with.

How about you take religion out of politics and social rights
instead.

It IS secular because marriage isn't just a religious institution in
this country! I can walk down to the justice of the peace right now
with my fiance and get married. No prayers, no religion.. just a piece
of paper that will change our rights as a couple. Atheists get
married. They get married all the time as a matter of fact. Why?
Because it is NO LONGER JUST A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION.
If I were a lesbian and fell into a coma, my lover wouldn't have the
right in most places (no matter how many years we had been together!)
to make a medical decision on my behalf. It would fall to my family,
who won't always make the decision that *I* would want. Hell, most
hospitals won't even let the same gendered partner into the room to
visit their loved ones in intensive care!

Kat, my son and his wife married themselves on their backpoarch in
Denver, Colorado. All they had to do was obtain a license. Is there
anything wrong with this procedure. Religion always wants to stick
their nose in everyones business.

Kat

2012-01-01 23:00:20 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.

Two people who are in love wanting to live with each other, by
definition is NOT a Marriage.

I never said it did. On the contrary, I'm suggesting that it doesn't
matter. That the argument is a political one to begin with.

How about you take religion out of politics and social rights
instead.

It IS secular because marriage isn't just a religious institution in
this country! I can walk down to the justice of the peace right now
with my fiance and get married. No prayers, no religion.. just a piece
of paper that will change our rights as a couple. Atheists get
married. They get married all the time as a matter of fact. Why?
Because it is NO LONGER JUST A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION.
If I were a lesbian and fell into a coma, my lover wouldn't have the
right in most places (no matter how many years we had been together!)
to make a medical decision on my behalf. It would fall to my family,
who won't always make the decision that *I* would want. Hell, most
hospitals won't even let the same gendered partner into the room to
visit their loved ones in intensive care!

^ Exactly my point, it's not solely a religious practice anymore. As a
secular institution, it must be protected from prejudice when a
majority seeks to deprive the minority in obtaining it.

a***@yahoo.com

2012-01-02 00:06:30 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.

Two people who are in love wanting to live with each other, by
definition is NOT a Marriage.

I never said it did. On the contrary, I'm suggesting that it doesn't
matter. That the argument is a political one to begin with.

How about you take religion out of politics and social rights
instead.

It IS secular because marriage isn't just a religious institution in
this country! I can walk down to the justice of the peace right now
with my fiance and get married. No prayers, no religion.. just a piece
of paper that will change our rights as a couple. Atheists get
married. They get married all the time as a matter of fact. Why?
Because it is NO LONGER JUST A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION.
If I were a lesbian and fell into a coma, my lover wouldn't have the
right in most places (no matter how many years we had been together!)
to make a medical decision on my behalf. It would fall to my family,
who won't always make the decision that *I* would want. Hell, most
hospitals won't even let the same gendered partner into the room to
visit their loved ones in intensive care!

^ Exactly my point, it's not solely a religious practice anymore. As a
secular institution, it must be protected from prejudice when a
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I agree. If I don't believe in God, why should I ask Him to sanctifiy
my wedding?

bd4u.utah

2012-01-02 02:18:02 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.

Two people who are in love wanting to live with each other, by
definition is NOT a Marriage.

I never said it did. On the contrary, I'm suggesting that it doesn't
matter. That the argument is a political one to begin with.

How about you take religion out of politics and social rights
instead.

It IS secular because marriage isn't just a religious institution in
this country! I can walk down to the justice of the peace right now
with my fiance and get married. No prayers, no religion.. just a piece
of paper that will change our rights as a couple. Atheists get
married. They get married all the time as a matter of fact. Why?
Because it is NO LONGER JUST A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION.
If I were a lesbian and fell into a coma, my lover wouldn't have the
right in most places (no matter how many years we had been together!)
to make a medical decision on my behalf. It would fall to my family,
who won't always make the decision that *I* would want. Hell, most
hospitals won't even let the same gendered partner into the room to
visit their loved ones in intensive care!

I agree. If I don't believe in God, why should I ask Him to sanctifiy
my wedding?

If you don't believe in God, you should not HAVE TO
get married. It's government legislation that requires it,
not religion.

Again, you are looking at the result of Marriage being
legislated, which would not exist if it wasn't.

bd4u.utah

a***@yahoo.com

2012-01-02 02:47:09 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.

Two people who are in love wanting to live with each other, by
definition is NOT a Marriage.

I never said it did. On the contrary, I'm suggesting that it doesn't
matter. That the argument is a political one to begin with.

How about you take religion out of politics and social rights
instead.

It IS secular because marriage isn't just a religious institution in
this country! I can walk down to the justice of the peace right now
with my fiance and get married. No prayers, no religion.. just a piece
of paper that will change our rights as a couple. Atheists get
married. They get married all the time as a matter of fact. Why?
Because it is NO LONGER JUST A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION.
If I were a lesbian and fell into a coma, my lover wouldn't have the
right in most places (no matter how many years we had been together!)
to make a medical decision on my behalf. It would fall to my family,
who won't always make the decision that *I* would want. Hell, most
hospitals won't even let the same gendered partner into the room to
visit their loved ones in intensive care!

I agree. If I don't believe in God, why should I ask Him to sanctifiy
my wedding?

If you don't believe in God, you should not HAVE TO
get married. It's government legislation that requires it,
not religion.
Again, you are looking at the result of Marriage being
legislated, which would not exist if it wasn't.
bd4u.utah- Hide quoted text -
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Why should I break the law and pay the consequences, that's dumb. As
long as the law allows me to marry without interference by the church,
why not?

bd4u.utah

2012-01-01 23:02:33 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.

Two people who are in love wanting to live with each other, by
definition is NOT a Marriage.

I never said it did. On the contrary, I'm suggesting that it doesn't
matter. That the argument is a political one to begin with.

How about you take religion out of politics and social rights
instead.

It IS secular because marriage isn't just a religious institution in
this country! I can walk down to the justice of the peace right now
with my fiance and get married. No prayers, no religion.. just a piece
of paper that will change our rights as a couple. Atheists get
married. They get married all the time as a matter of fact. Why?
Because it is NO LONGER JUST A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION.
If I were a lesbian and fell into a coma, my lover wouldn't have the
right in most places (no matter how many years we had been together!)
to make a medical decision on my behalf. It would fall to my family,
who won't always make the decision that *I* would want. Hell, most
hospitals won't even let the same gendered partner into the room to
visit their loved ones in intensive care!

None of it even matters. None of it even became an issue until
Marriage became legislated.

Ya'll have a right to disagree, just as much
as I have to voice my opinions, and observations.
The word is out, and I'm outa here.

l8r..

bd4u.utah

a***@yahoo.com

2012-01-02 00:07:17 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.

Two people who are in love wanting to live with each other, by
definition is NOT a Marriage.

I never said it did. On the contrary, I'm suggesting that it doesn't
matter. That the argument is a political one to begin with.

How about you take religion out of politics and social rights
instead.

It IS secular because marriage isn't just a religious institution in
this country! I can walk down to the justice of the peace right now
with my fiance and get married. No prayers, no religion.. just a piece
of paper that will change our rights as a couple. Atheists get
married. They get married all the time as a matter of fact. Why?
Because it is NO LONGER JUST A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION.
If I were a lesbian and fell into a coma, my lover wouldn't have the
right in most places (no matter how many years we had been together!)
to make a medical decision on my behalf. It would fall to my family,
who won't always make the decision that *I* would want. Hell, most
hospitals won't even let the same gendered partner into the room to
visit their loved ones in intensive care!

None of it even matters. None of it even became an issue until
Marriage became legislated.
Ya'll have a right to disagree, just as much
as I have to voice my opinions, and observations.
The word is out, and I'm outa here.
l8r..
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Is someone infringing on your rights?

NefeshBarYochai

2012-01-02 03:25:17 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

All I know is the best policy is for the government to put a bounty on
all homos and let hunting licenses to hunt gays be issued from the
Department of Wildlife. Then we could get rid of all those
cocksuckers and sodomites and clean up humanities act in the process.
Crime and plagues would go down and the majority of people would live
happier than we live now.

Kat

2012-01-02 03:37:21 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I genuinely hope you are being facetious. If you aren't, you are the
reason why we have laws to protect people from hate crimes.

NefeshBarYochai

2012-01-02 05:04:49 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I genuinely hope you are being facetious. If you aren't, you are the
reason why we have laws to protect people from hate crimes.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Oh my Dirkum

Oh my Dirkum
Oh my Dirkum
Oh my Dirkum is a foodnam woudee.

NefeshBarYochai

2012-01-02 06:05:26 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I genuinely hope you are being facetious. If you aren't, you are the
reason why we have laws to protect people from hate crimes.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I seek to gather strength among good people by gathering a coalition
to change the laws both locally and federally so that homosexuals can
be bountied, then hunted down and slain in order to prevent disease,
plague and demoralization of the American people. We can look to the
Torah where it is written that says: “You shall not lie with a man as
one lies with a woman Leviticus 18:22. The Torah makes is clear that
homosexuality is an abomination. Any adult who commits this sin
intentionally and with full knowledge of what he was doing is to be
stoned to death. If he has no prior warning, the consequence is
excision; if this sin was committed mistakenly, a sin-offering has to
be brought.

Abn Ezra says: Homosexual relationships are forbidden because they are
a perversion of nature and an act of disobedience to the will of God.
In sex relationships, God intended man to be the giver, and woman the
receiver. He then cites the following statements by other authorities
relating to this prohibition: (1) a man must not have sexual relations
with a man who has changed his sex and has become a woman; (2) a man
must not have sexual relations with a hermaphrodite. (Ibn Ezra holds
that sexual relations between persons of the same sex, or between
humans and animals, are forbidden because they cannot produce
offspring. These sexual relations therefore represent “spilling one’s
seeds in vain”)

Nahmanides says: Homosexual relations are forbidden because they are
repulsive and because they cannot result in offspring.

Sources:

B. Nedarim 51a; B. Sanhedrin 54a, 54b, 55a, 60a; B. Yevamot 83b; B.
Gittin 85a; Yad, Hilkhot Issurei Bi’ah, Chap. 1; Yad Hilkhot Shegagot,
Chap. 4; Sefer haMitzvot (Lo Ta’aseh) 348, 349, 350; Sefer Mitzvot
Gadol (Lav) 94,95,96; Shulhan Arukh, Even ha-Ezer, Chap. 24; Sefer ha-
Hinnukh, Mitzvot 209, 210, 211.

Lydig Avenue Kibbitzer

2012-01-02 07:55:44 UTC

In article <9713523b-1c48-45e0-be7e-***@h37g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
NefeshBarYochai says...

Post by Kat
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our love=

Post by Kat
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

All I know is the best policy is for the government to put a bounty on
all homos and let hunting licenses to hunt gays be issued from the
Department of Wildlife. =A0Then we could get rid of all those
cocksuckers and sodomites and clean up humanities act in the process.
Crime and plagues would go down and the majority of people would live
happier than we live now.

I genuinely hope you are being facetious. If you aren't, you are the
reason why we have laws to protect people from hate crimes.- Hide quoted =

text -

Post by Kat
- Show quoted text -

I seek to gather strength among good people by gathering a coalition
to change the laws both locally and federally so that homosexuals can
be bountied, then hunted down and slain in order to prevent disease,
plague and demoralization of the American people. We can look to the
Torah where it is written that says: =93You shall not lie with a man as
one lies with a woman Leviticus 18:22. The Torah makes is clear that
homosexuality is an abomination. Any adult who commits this sin
intentionally and with full knowledge of what he was doing is to be
stoned to death. If he has no prior warning, the consequence is
excision; if this sin was committed mistakenly, a sin-offering has to
be brought.
Abn Ezra says: Homosexual relationships are forbidden because they are
a perversion of nature and an act of disobedience to the will of God.
In sex relationships, God intended man to be the giver, and woman the
receiver. He then cites the following statements by other authorities
relating to this prohibition: (1) a man must not have sexual relations
with a man who has changed his sex and has become a woman; (2) a man
must not have sexual relations with a hermaphrodite. (Ibn Ezra holds
that sexual relations between persons of the same sex, or between
humans and animals, are forbidden because they cannot produce
offspring. These sexual relations therefore represent =93spilling one=92s
seeds in vain=94)
Nahmanides says: Homosexual relations are forbidden because they are
repulsive and because they cannot result in offspring.
B. Nedarim 51a; B. Sanhedrin 54a, 54b, 55a, 60a; B. Yevamot 83b; B.
Gittin 85a; Yad, Hilkhot Issurei Bi=92ah, Chap. 1; Yad Hilkhot Shegagot,
Chap. 4; Sefer haMitzvot (Lo Ta=92aseh) 348, 349, 350; Sefer Mitzvot
Gadol (Lav) 94,95,96; Shulhan Arukh, Even ha-Ezer, Chap. 24; Sefer ha-
Hinnukh, Mitzvot 209, 210, 211.

So, this is some kind of performance art that is meant
to be ironic? A Jew who rationalizes state-sponsored
tyranny with his religious opinions -- in the same manner
that Hitler rationalized state-sponsored tyranny with
his religious opinions? Maybe it holds some appeal
to New York intelligentsia who "get it" and will converse
about it for ten minutes over fine wine before changing
the subject. Feh.

Kat

2012-01-02 16:53:05 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I genuinely hope you are being facetious. If you aren't, you are the
reason why we have laws to protect people from hate crimes.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Except that the constitution will never allow that.

If you weren't talking about mass homicides, I would find the disease
comment funny as empirical data about disease transmission doesn't
support your claims. Then again, I don't expect a hate monger such as
yourself to actually look at little things like FACTS.

Post by NefeshBarYochai
<snip>

The bible also said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Let god sort it out and keep your hate speech to yourself.

That being said, this usegroup is for discussion of the cult of
scientology, not discussing your inadequacies as a human being. Don't
let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

John Manning

2012-01-02 16:56:44 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I genuinely hope you are being facetious. If you aren't, you are the
reason why we have laws to protect people from hate crimes.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Except that the constitution will never allow that.
If you weren't talking about mass homicides, I would find the disease
comment funny as empirical data about disease transmission doesn't
support your claims. Then again, I don't expect a hate monger such as
yourself to actually look at little things like FACTS.

It's interesting that Jew would recommend mass human slaughter.
How shameful.

Post by NefeshBarYochai
<snip>

The bible also said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Let god sort it out and keep your hate speech to yourself.
That being said, this usegroup is for discussion of the cult of
scientology, not discussing your inadequacies as a human being. Don't
let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

Kat

2012-01-02 17:09:34 UTC

Post by John Manning
It's interesting that Jew would recommend mass human slaughter.
How shameful.

^^ Truth.

a***@yahoo.com

2012-01-02 19:12:54 UTC

Post by John Manning
It's interesting that Jew would recommend mass human slaughter.
How shameful.

^^ Truth.

The Chosen people are used to slaughter, it is part of their religion.

NefeshBarYochai

2012-01-02 18:38:01 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I genuinely hope you are being facetious. If you aren't, you are the
reason why we have laws to protect people from hate crimes.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Except that the constitution will never allow that.
If you weren't talking about mass homicides, I would find the disease
comment funny as empirical data about disease transmission doesn't
support your claims. Then again, I don't expect a hate monger such as
yourself to actually look at little things like FACTS.

Post by NefeshBarYochai
<snip>

The bible also said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Let god sort it out and keep your hate speech to yourself.
That being said, this usegroup is for discussion of the cult of
scientology, not discussing your inadequacies as a human being. Don't
let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Queers are bad most people agree on that. The G-d fearing majority
should not be subject to the immoral laws of the g-dless minority.

Kat

2012-01-02 19:17:34 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I genuinely hope you are being facetious. If you aren't, you are the
reason why we have laws to protect people from hate crimes.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Except that the constitution will never allow that.
If you weren't talking about mass homicides, I would find the disease
comment funny as empirical data about disease transmission doesn't
support your claims. Then again, I don't expect a hate monger such as
yourself to actually look at little things like FACTS.

Post by NefeshBarYochai
<snip>

The bible also said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Let god sort it out and keep your hate speech to yourself.
That being said, this usegroup is for discussion of the cult of
scientology, not discussing your inadequacies as a human being. Don't
let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Queers are bad most people agree on that. The G-d fearing majority
should not be subject to the immoral laws of the g-dless minority.

So when Jim Crow laws were in use, you found that morally acceptable
as it was the majority asserting its will over the minority?

When Jews were gassed, burned alive and tortured during the holocaust,
you found that morally acceptable as it was the majority asserting its
will over the minority?

Give me a break!

"A March 2011 telephone-survey of 1005 adults by ABC News and the
Washington Post found that, for the first time, the majority of
Americans favor same-sex marriage. 53 percent of those polled
supported same-sex marriage while 44 percent remained opposed"

The majority supports same sex marriage.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1994/poll-support-for-acceptance-of-homosexuality-gay-parenting-marriage

58% of the population polled.. THE MAJORITY.. stated that
homosexuality is not "wrong".

You may have the right to think and say what you want, but your hate-
filled bigotry isn't shared with the social majority. No homo hunting
season for you, Elmer Fudd.

NefeshBarYochai

2012-01-02 22:08:37 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I genuinely hope you are being facetious. If you aren't, you are the
reason why we have laws to protect people from hate crimes.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Except that the constitution will never allow that.
If you weren't talking about mass homicides, I would find the disease
comment funny as empirical data about disease transmission doesn't
support your claims. Then again, I don't expect a hate monger such as
yourself to actually look at little things like FACTS.

Post by NefeshBarYochai
<snip>

The bible also said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Let god sort it out and keep your hate speech to yourself.
That being said, this usegroup is for discussion of the cult of
scientology, not discussing your inadequacies as a human being. Don't
let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Queers are bad most people agree on that. The G-d fearing majority
should not be subject to the immoral laws of the g-dless minority.

So when Jim Crow laws were in use, you found that morally acceptable
as it was the majority asserting its will over the minority?
When Jews were gassed, burned alive and tortured during the holocaust,
you found that morally acceptable as it was the majority asserting its
will over the minority?
Give me a break!
"A March 2011 telephone-survey of 1005 adults by ABC News and the
Washington Post found that, for the first time, the majority of
Americans favor same-sex marriage. 53 percent of those polled
supported same-sex marriage while 44 percent remained opposed"
The majority supports same sex marriage.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1994/poll-support-for-acceptance-of-homos...
58% of the population polled.. THE MAJORITY.. stated that
homosexuality is not "wrong".
You may have the right to think and say what you want, but your hate-
filled bigotry isn't shared with the social majority. No homo hunting
season for you, Elmer Fudd.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

It not a matter of hate. When a fly gets in the house it is killed
because it carries disease. No hate invovled at all. Same with the
homos.

Kat

2012-01-02 23:19:33 UTC

Post by Kat
- Show quoted text -

It not a matter of hate.

I beg to differ. You are filled with nothing BUT hate. To want to
round up and slaughter people takes a very large amount of hate!

Post by NefeshBarYochai
When a fly gets in the house it is killed
because it carries disease.

You seem to have missed that commandment saying not to kill. Human
beings are not flies, you sicko.

Post by NefeshBarYochai
No hate invovled at all. Same with the
homos.

Except that the majority of women with stds got them from a
heterosexual contact... from a man. Does that mean we should shoot all
the men to prevent disease? No!

a***@yahoo.com

2012-01-02 23:26:43 UTC

Post by Kat
- Show quoted text -

It not a matter of hate.

I beg to differ. You are filled with nothing BUT hate. To want to
round up and slaughter people takes a very large amount of hate!

Post by NefeshBarYochai
When a fly gets in the house it is killed
because it carries disease.

You seem to have missed that commandment saying not to kill. Human
beings are not flies, you sicko.

Post by NefeshBarYochai
No hate invovled at all. Same with the
homos.

Except that the majority of women with stds got them from a
heterosexual contact... from a man. Does that mean we should shoot all
the men to prevent disease? No!

Kat, is it not amazing the extent some will go to justify their
beliefs?

Kat

2012-01-02 23:41:03 UTC

Post by Kat
- Show quoted text -

It not a matter of hate.

I beg to differ. You are filled with nothing BUT hate. To want to
round up and slaughter people takes a very large amount of hate!

Post by NefeshBarYochai
When a fly gets in the house it is killed
because it carries disease.

You seem to have missed that commandment saying not to kill. Human
beings are not flies, you sicko.

Post by NefeshBarYochai
No hate invovled at all. Same with the
homos.

Except that the majority of women with stds got them from a
heterosexual contact... from a man. Does that mean we should shoot all
the men to prevent disease? No!

Kat, is it not amazing the extent some will go to justify their
beliefs?

Amazing and terrifying.

Peter Schilte

2012-01-03 01:40:39 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I genuinely hope you are being facetious. If you aren't, you are the
reason why we have laws to protect people from hate crimes.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Except that the constitution will never allow that.
If you weren't talking about mass homicides, I would find the disease
comment funny as empirical data about disease transmission doesn't
support your claims. Then again, I don't expect a hate monger such as
yourself to actually look at little things like FACTS.

Post by NefeshBarYochai
<snip>

The bible also said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Let god sort it out and keep your hate speech to yourself.
That being said, this usegroup is for discussion of the cult of
scientology, not discussing your inadequacies as a human being. Don't
let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Queers are bad most people agree on that. The G-d fearing majority
should not be subject to the immoral laws of the g-dless minority.

So when Jim Crow laws were in use, you found that morally acceptable
as it was the majority asserting its will over the minority?
When Jews were gassed, burned alive and tortured during the holocaust,
you found that morally acceptable as it was the majority asserting its
will over the minority?
Give me a break!
"A March 2011 telephone-survey of 1005 adults by ABC News and the
Washington Post found that, for the first time, the majority of
Americans favor same-sex marriage. 53 percent of those polled
supported same-sex marriage while 44 percent remained opposed"
The majority supports same sex marriage.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1994/poll-support-for-acceptance-of-homos...
58% of the population polled.. THE MAJORITY.. stated that
homosexuality is not "wrong".
You may have the right to think and say what you want, but your hate-
filled bigotry isn't shared with the social majority. No homo hunting
season for you, Elmer Fudd.- Hide quoted text -
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It not a matter of hate. When a fly gets in the house it is killed
because it carries disease. No hate invovled at all. Same with the
homos.

Nazi's said the same about Jews. And acted accordingly.

Lydig Avenue Kibbitzer

2012-01-03 06:34:49 UTC

In article <92779055-0596-43e5-83f9-***@r16g2000prr.googlegroups.com>,
NefeshBarYochai says...

Post by NefeshBarYochai
It not a matter of hate. When a fly gets in the house it is killed
because it carries disease. No hate involved at all. Same with the
homos.

You remind me of a mental patient I used to see hanging out
under the el all day long trying to pick up women with insane
pick-up lines. We used to buy him pizzas just to hear him
tell us about what a ladies man he was. It was hilarious.

NefeshBarYochai

2012-01-03 18:02:42 UTC

Post by Lydig Avenue Kibbitzer
NefeshBarYochai says...

It not a matter of hate. When a fly gets in the house it is killed
because it carries disease. No hate involved at all. Same with the
homos.

You remind me of a sodomite that has AIDS.

Peter Schilte

2012-01-03 01:38:57 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I genuinely hope you are being facetious. If you aren't, you are the
reason why we have laws to protect people from hate crimes.- Hide quoted text -
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Except that the constitution will never allow that.
If you weren't talking about mass homicides, I would find the disease
comment funny as empirical data about disease transmission doesn't
support your claims. Then again, I don't expect a hate monger such as
yourself to actually look at little things like FACTS.

Post by NefeshBarYochai
<snip>

The bible also said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Let god sort it out and keep your hate speech to yourself.
That being said, this usegroup is for discussion of the cult of
scientology, not discussing your inadequacies as a human being. Don't
let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.- Hide quoted text -
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Queers are bad most people agree on that. The G-d fearing majority
should not be subject to the immoral laws of the g-dless minority.

Who are these "most people" exactly?

a***@yahoo.com

2012-01-02 19:09:14 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I genuinely hope you are being facetious. If you aren't, you are the
reason why we have laws to protect people from hate crimes.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Why would anyone give a shit what the Torah says?

Post by NefeshBarYochai
Abn Ezra says: Homosexual relationships are forbidden because they are
a perversion of nature and an act of disobedience to the will of God.
In sex relationships, God intended man to be the giver, and woman the
receiver. He then cites the following statements by other authorities
relating to this prohibition: (1) a man must not have sexual relations
with a man who has changed his sex and has become a woman; (2) a man
must not have sexual relations with a hermaphrodite. (Ibn Ezra holds
that sexual relations between persons of the same sex, or between
humans and animals, are forbidden because they cannot produce
offspring. These sexual relations therefore represent “spilling one’s
seeds in vain”)

Why would Abn Ezra have anything to do with anothers life?

Post by NefeshBarYochai
Nahmanides says: Homosexual relations are forbidden because they are
repulsive and because they cannot result in offspring.

Who is the hell is Nahmanides?

Post by NefeshBarYochai
B. Nedarim 51a; B. Sanhedrin 54a, 54b, 55a, 60a; B. Yevamot 83b; B.
Gittin 85a; Yad, Hilkhot Issurei Bi’ah, Chap. 1; Yad Hilkhot Shegagot,
Chap. 4; Sefer haMitzvot (Lo Ta’aseh) 348, 349, 350; Sefer Mitzvot
Gadol (Lav) 94,95,96; Shulhan Arukh, Even ha-Ezer, Chap. 24; Sefer ha-
Hinnukh, Mitzvot 209, 210, 211.- Hide quoted text -
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Volkov

2012-01-03 23:14:31 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I genuinely hope you are being facetious. If you aren't, you are the
reason why we have laws to protect people from hate crimes.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I seek to gather strength among good people by gathering a coalition
to change the laws both locally and federally so that homosexuals can
be bountied, then hunted down and slain in order to prevent disease,
plague and demoralization of the American people. We can look to the
Torah where it is written that says: “You shall not lie with a man as
one lies with a woman Leviticus 18:22. The Torah makes is clear that
homosexuality is an abomination. Any adult who commits this sin
intentionally and with full knowledge of what he was doing is to be
stoned to death. If he has no prior warning, the consequence is
excision; if this sin was committed mistakenly, a sin-offering has to
be brought.
Abn Ezra says: Homosexual relationships are forbidden because they are
a perversion of nature and an act of disobedience to the will of God.
In sex relationships, God intended man to be the giver, and woman the
receiver. He then cites the following statements by other authorities
relating to this prohibition: (1) a man must not have sexual relations
with a man who has changed his sex and has become a woman; (2) a man
must not have sexual relations with a hermaphrodite. (Ibn Ezra holds
that sexual relations between persons of the same sex, or between
humans and animals, are forbidden because they cannot produce
offspring. These sexual relations therefore represent “spilling one’s
seeds in vain”)
Nahmanides says: Homosexual relations are forbidden because they are
repulsive and because they cannot result in offspring.
B. Nedarim 51a; B. Sanhedrin 54a, 54b, 55a, 60a; B. Yevamot 83b; B.
Gittin 85a; Yad, Hilkhot Issurei Bi’ah, Chap. 1; Yad Hilkhot Shegagot,
Chap. 4; Sefer haMitzvot (Lo Ta’aseh) 348, 349, 350; Sefer Mitzvot
Gadol (Lav) 94,95,96; Shulhan Arukh, Even ha-Ezer, Chap. 24; Sefer ha-
Hinnukh, Mitzvot 209, 210, 211.

I'm ashamed to have been born Jewish because of your post, and also why
I simply don't believe the fairy tales.

You're would've made a perfect collaborator during WW2.

My grandfather is turning over in his grave; a life long religious Jew,
he saw with his own eyes the mass extermination of most of his family.

Volkov

NefeshBarYochai

2012-01-03 23:18:06 UTC

Post by Volkov

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I genuinely hope you are being facetious. If you aren't, you are the
reason why we have laws to protect people from hate crimes.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I seek to gather strength among good people by gathering a coalition
to change the laws both locally and federally so that homosexuals can
be bountied, then hunted down and slain in order to prevent disease,
plague and demoralization of the American people. We can look to the
Torah where it is written that says: ï¿½You shall not lie with a man as
one lies with a woman Leviticus 18:22. The Torah makes is clear that
homosexuality is an abomination. Any adult who commits this sin
intentionally and with full knowledge of what he was doing is to be
stoned to death. If he has no prior warning, the consequence is
excision; if this sin was committed mistakenly, a sin-offering has to
be brought.
Abn Ezra says: Homosexual relationships are forbidden because they are
a perversion of nature and an act of disobedience to the will of God.
In sex relationships, God intended man to be the giver, and woman the
receiver. He then cites the following statements by other authorities
relating to this prohibition: (1) a man must not have sexual relations
with a man who has changed his sex and has become a woman; (2) a man
must not have sexual relations with a hermaphrodite. (Ibn Ezra holds
that sexual relations between persons of the same sex, or between
humans and animals, are forbidden because they cannot produce
offspring. These sexual relations therefore represent ï¿½spilling oneï¿½s
seeds in vainï¿½)
Nahmanides says: Homosexual relations are forbidden because they are
repulsive and because they cannot result in offspring.
B. Nedarim 51a; B. Sanhedrin 54a, 54b, 55a, 60a; B. Yevamot 83b; B.
Gittin 85a; Yad, Hilkhot Issurei Biï¿½ah, Chap. 1; Yad Hilkhot Shegagot,
Chap. 4; Sefer haMitzvot (Lo Taï¿½aseh) 348, 349, 350; Sefer Mitzvot
Gadol (Lav) 94,95,96; Shulhan Arukh, Even ha-Ezer, Chap. 24; Sefer ha-
Hinnukh, Mitzvot 209, 210, 211.

I'm ashamed to have been born Jewish because of your post, and also why
I simply don't believe the fairy tales.
You're would've made a perfect collaborator during WW2.
My grandfather is turning over in his grave; a life long religious Jew,
he saw with his own eyes the mass extermination of most of his family.
Volkov- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

It was because of the homosexuals.

a***@yahoo.com

2012-01-03 23:37:21 UTC

Post by Volkov

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I genuinely hope you are being facetious. If you aren't, you are the
reason why we have laws to protect people from hate crimes.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I seek to gather strength among good people by gathering a coalition
to change the laws both locally and federally so that homosexuals can
be bountied, then hunted down and slain in order to prevent disease,
plague and demoralization of the American people. We can look to the
Torah where it is written that says: “You shall not lie with a man as
one lies with a woman Leviticus 18:22. The Torah makes is clear that
homosexuality is an abomination. Any adult who commits this sin
intentionally and with full knowledge of what he was doing is to be
stoned to death. If he has no prior warning, the consequence is
excision; if this sin was committed mistakenly, a sin-offering has to
be brought.
Abn Ezra says: Homosexual relationships are forbidden because they are
a perversion of nature and an act of disobedience to the will of God.
In sex relationships, God intended man to be the giver, and woman the
receiver. He then cites the following statements by other authorities
relating to this prohibition: (1) a man must not have sexual relations
with a man who has changed his sex and has become a woman; (2) a man
must not have sexual relations with a hermaphrodite. (Ibn Ezra holds
that sexual relations between persons of the same sex, or between
humans and animals, are forbidden because they cannot produce
offspring. These sexual relations therefore represent “spilling one’s
seeds in vain”)
Nahmanides says: Homosexual relations are forbidden because they are
repulsive and because they cannot result in offspring.
B. Nedarim 51a; B. Sanhedrin 54a, 54b, 55a, 60a; B. Yevamot 83b; B.
Gittin 85a; Yad, Hilkhot Issurei Bi’ah, Chap. 1; Yad Hilkhot Shegagot,
Chap. 4; Sefer haMitzvot (Lo Ta’aseh) 348, 349, 350; Sefer Mitzvot
Gadol (Lav) 94,95,96; Shulhan Arukh, Even ha-Ezer, Chap. 24; Sefer ha-
Hinnukh, Mitzvot 209, 210, 211.

I'm ashamed to have been born Jewish because of your post, and also why
I simply don't believe the fairy tales.
You're would've made a perfect collaborator during WW2.
My grandfather is turning over in his grave; a life long religious Jew,
he saw with his own eyes the mass extermination of most of his family.
Volkov- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

It is sad that your grandfather had to endure such horrors. I've seen
some myself.

Lydig Avenue Kibbitzer

2012-01-04 02:41:59 UTC

In article <9713523b-1c48-45e0-be7e-***@h37g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
NefeshBarYochai says...

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Post by bd4u.utah
The covenant of marriage is between man,
woman, and God. No where in the covenant
of marriage is there the Government. That is
of course unless the Government makes it
their business. Which in my humble opinion
it shouldn't, and there is ample evidence to
prove it.
bd4u.utah

I genuinely hope you are being facetious. If you aren't, you are the
reason why we have laws to protect people from hate crimes.- Hide quoted =

text -

Post by Kat
- Show quoted text -

I seek to gather strength among good people by gathering a coalition
to change the laws both locally and federally so that homosexuals can
be bountied, then hunted down and slain in order to prevent disease,
plague and demoralization of the American people. We can look to the
Torah where it is written that says: =93You shall not lie with a man as
one lies with a woman Leviticus 18:22. The Torah makes is clear that
homosexuality is an abomination. Any adult who commits this sin
intentionally and with full knowledge of what he was doing is to be
stoned to death. If he has no prior warning, the consequence is
excision; if this sin was committed mistakenly, a sin-offering has to
be brought.
Abn Ezra says: Homosexual relationships are forbidden because they are
a perversion of nature and an act of disobedience to the will of God.
In sex relationships, God intended man to be the giver, and woman the
receiver. He then cites the following statements by other authorities
relating to this prohibition: (1) a man must not have sexual relations
with a man who has changed his sex and has become a woman; (2) a man
must not have sexual relations with a hermaphrodite. (Ibn Ezra holds
that sexual relations between persons of the same sex, or between
humans and animals, are forbidden because they cannot produce
offspring. These sexual relations therefore represent =93spilling one=92s
seeds in vain=94)
Nahmanides says: Homosexual relations are forbidden because they are
repulsive and because they cannot result in offspring.
B. Nedarim 51a; B. Sanhedrin 54a, 54b, 55a, 60a; B. Yevamot 83b; B.
Gittin 85a; Yad, Hilkhot Issurei Bi=92ah, Chap. 1; Yad Hilkhot Shegagot,
Chap. 4; Sefer haMitzvot (Lo Ta=92aseh) 348, 349, 350; Sefer Mitzvot
Gadol (Lav) 94,95,96; Shulhan Arukh, Even ha-Ezer, Chap. 24; Sefer ha-
Hinnukh, Mitzvot 209, 210, 211.

Some people reading what you wrote might conclude
that your call for the death penalty for homosexuals
is just a return to an old Jewish tradition. I mean, here
you are quoting Torah and scholars and all. Now, I was
willing to give you the benefit of a doubt before
looking into it -- coulda been that you guys wacked
homos back in the day. Got pretty brutal. But, see I
don't take anybody's word when it comes to heavy
shit like this because let's face it -- it's real easy to
make up stuff that looks right to somebody but
it's really bullshit and then you use it to mess
with people you don't like. Like the Nazis did with
the propaganda that Jews were sub-human and such.
No disrespect, just making a point is all. Anyway,
when I found this explanation about capital
punishment for homosexuals in Jewish history,
I say to myself, see, smart to look into this for
myself and not take the word of just anybody:

"However, even in Biblical times, it was very
difficult to get a conviction that would lead to
this prescribed punishment. The Jewish oral law
states that capital punishment would only be
applicable if two men were caught in the act of
anal sex, if there were two witnesses to the act,
if the two witnesses warned the men involved
that they committed a capital offense, and the
two men - or the willing party, in case of rape
- subsequently acknowledged the warning but
continued to engage in the prohibited act anyway.
As such, it is not surprising that there is no
account of capital punishment, in regards to
this law, in Jewish history."

Not even "rarely imposed" -- "there is no
account of capital punishment, in regards to
this law, in Jewish history."

So like, you're gonna start a *new* "old" tradition?
Do you think you're a prophet or something?

You sound like a bitter old man to me who
just gets off on hating. We need *fewer* of
your kind here in America, not more. Don't
come around my neighborhood looking for
trouble because you will find it. Stay in your
room. Think about what you're representing
and pray or study or whatever, but you need
to get your head on right, and you're head
is just not right right now and I just proved it.

Peter Schilte

2012-01-02 06:03:51 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

It is fact that those who oppose homosexuality most vigorously are gay
themselves but are afraid to admit it to themselves and their social
environment.
It seems that 10% of all people are gay. So you'd have a huge job at
hand. And don't forget doing yourself!

Sir Peter

NefeshBarYochai

2012-01-02 07:44:00 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Bullshit. The God fearing majority should not be subject to the laws
of the godless minority.

Peter Schilte

2012-01-02 08:08:53 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Bullshit. The God fearing majority should not be subject to the laws
of the godless minority.

And vice versa. Religion and politics should be kept separated.
Apparently you are unable to do so, seeing your idiotic call "to put a
bounty on all homos and let hunting licenses to hunt gays be issued
from the Department of Wildlife."

Sir Peter

John Dorsay

2012-01-02 10:21:18 UTC

Bullshit. The God fearing majority should not be subject to the
laws of the godless minority.

1. Legal recognition of gay marriage does not mean you are forced to
come out and marry your secret butt buddy. You can stay hidden in
your closet until hell freezes over. Nobody cares.

2. Please stop trolling alt.religion.scientology with your
homophobic crap.

With all due respect.

a***@yahoo.com

2012-01-02 19:10:01 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Call for references.

John Manning

2012-01-02 20:11:20 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Call for references.

S HOMOPHOBIA ASSOCIATED WITH HOMOSEXUAL AROUSAL?

Study Links Homophobia with Homosexual Arousal - Questions Whether It Is
Latent Homosexuality Or A Response to Anxiety

Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobia --the fear, anxiety, anger,
discomfort and aversion that some ostensibly heterosexual people hold
for gay individuals -- is the result of repressed homosexual urges that
the person is either unaware of or denies. A study appearing in the
August issue of the Journal of Abnormal Psychology, published by the
American Psychological Association (APA), provides new empirical
evidence that is consistent with that theory.

Researchers at the University of Georgia conducted an experiment
involving 35 homophobic men and 29 non-homophobic men as measured by the
Index of Homophobia scale. All the participants selected for the study
described themselves as exclusively heterosexual both in terms of sexual
arousal and experience.

Each participant was exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli
consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual and lesbian videotapes (but
not necessarily in that order). Their degree of sexual arousal was
measured by penile plethysmography, which precisely measures and records
male tumescence.

Men in both groups were aroused by about the same degree by the video
depicting heterosexual sexual behavior and by the video showing two
women engaged in sexual behavior. The only significant difference in
degree of arousal between the two groups occurred when they viewed the
video depicting male homosexual sex: "The homophobic men showed a
significant increase in penile circumference to the male homosexual
video, but the control [non-homophobic] men did not."

Broken down further, the measurements showed that while 66% of the
non-homophobic group showed no significant tumescence while watching the
male homosexual video, only 20% of the homophobic men showed little or
no evidence of arousal. Similarly, while 24% of the non-homophobic men
showed definite tumescence while watching the homosexual video, 54% of
the homophobic men did.

When asked to give their own subjective assessment of the degree to
which they were aroused by watching each of the three videos, men in
both groups gave answers that tracked fairly closely with the results of
the objective physiological measurement, with one exception: the
homophobic men significantly underestimated their degree of arousal by
the male homosexual video.

Do these findings mean, then, that homophobia in men is a reaction to
repressed homosexual urges, as psychoanalysis theorizes? While their
findings are consistent with that theory, the authors note that there is
another, competing theoretical explanation: anxiety. According to this
theory, viewing the male homosexual videotape may have caused negative
emotions (such as anxiety) in the homophobic men, but not in the
non-homophobic men.

As the authors note, "anxiety has been shown to enhance arousal and
erection," and so it is also possible that "a response to homosexual
stimuli [in these men] is a function of the threat condition rather than
sexual arousal per se. These competing notions can and should be
evaluated by future research."

Reference:

Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal? by Henry E. Adams,
Ph.D., Lester W. Wright, Jr., Ph.D. and Bethany A. Lohr, in Journal of
Abnormal Psychology, Vol. 105, No. 3, pp 440-445.
Via: http://www.selfhelpmagazine.com/articles/glb/glbtphobia.html
Here are links to the paper and the questionnaire:

http://www.bgsu.edu/downloads/sa/file14259.pdf

https://www.psychologytoday.com/files/u47/Henry_et_al.pdf

a***@yahoo.com

2012-01-02 22:21:24 UTC

Post by John Manning

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Call for references.

S HOMOPHOBIA ASSOCIATED WITH HOMOSEXUAL AROUSAL?
Study Links Homophobia with Homosexual Arousal - Questions Whether It Is
Latent Homosexuality Or A Response to Anxiety
Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobia --the fear, anxiety, anger,
discomfort and aversion that some ostensibly heterosexual people hold
for gay individuals -- is the result of repressed homosexual urges that
the person is either unaware of or denies. A study appearing in the
August issue of the Journal of Abnormal Psychology, published by the
American Psychological Association (APA), provides new empirical
evidence that is consistent with that theory.
Researchers at the University of Georgia conducted an experiment
involving 35 homophobic men and 29 non-homophobic men as measured by the
Index of Homophobia scale. All the participants selected for the study
described themselves as exclusively heterosexual both in terms of sexual
arousal and experience.
Each participant was exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli
consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual and lesbian videotapes (but
not necessarily in that order). Their degree of sexual arousal was
measured by penile plethysmography, which precisely measures and records
male tumescence.
Men in both groups were aroused by about the same degree by the video
depicting heterosexual sexual behavior and by the video showing two
women engaged in sexual behavior. The only significant difference in
degree of arousal between the two groups occurred when they viewed the
video depicting male homosexual sex: "The homophobic men showed a
significant increase in penile circumference to the male homosexual
video, but the control [non-homophobic] men did not."
Broken down further, the measurements showed that while 66% of the
non-homophobic group showed no significant tumescence while watching the
male homosexual video, only 20% of the homophobic men showed little or
no evidence of arousal. Similarly, while 24% of the non-homophobic men
showed definite tumescence while watching the homosexual video, 54% of
the homophobic men did.
When asked to give their own subjective assessment of the degree to
which they were aroused by watching each of the three videos, men in
both groups gave answers that tracked fairly closely with the results of
the objective physiological measurement, with one exception: the
homophobic men significantly underestimated their degree of arousal by
the male homosexual video.
Do these findings mean, then, that homophobia in men is a reaction to
repressed homosexual urges, as psychoanalysis theorizes? While their
findings are consistent with that theory, the authors note that there is
another, competing theoretical explanation: anxiety. According to this
theory, viewing the male homosexual videotape may have caused negative
emotions (such as anxiety) in the homophobic men, but not in the
non-homophobic men.
As the authors note, "anxiety has been shown to enhance arousal and
erection," and so it is also possible that "a response to homosexual
stimuli [in these men] is a function of the threat condition rather than
sexual arousal per se. These competing notions can and should be
evaluated by future research."
Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal? by Henry E. Adams,
Ph.D., Lester W. Wright, Jr., Ph.D. and Bethany A. Lohr, in Journal of
Abnormal Psychology, Vol. 105, No. 3, pp 440-445.
Via:http://www.selfhelpmagazine.com/articles/glb/glbtphobia.html
http://www.bgsu.edu/downloads/sa/file14259.pdf
https://www.psychologytoday.com/files/u47/Henry_et_al.pdf- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Thank you for the references. If I believed in God, I'd have to
believe God made a lot of strange people.

a***@yahoo.com

2012-01-02 19:06:23 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Why do the homos bother you? Why do you give a shit?

NefeshBarYochai

2012-01-02 22:07:22 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Why do the homos bother you? Why do you give a shit?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

They pass disease.

Peter Schilte

2012-01-03 01:41:16 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Why do the homos bother you? Why do you give a shit?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

They pass disease.

Nazi's said the same about Jews, and acted accordingly.
Funny, isn't it?

NefeshBarYochai

2012-01-03 04:49:21 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Why do the homos bother you? Why do you give a shit?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

They pass disease.

Nazi's said the same about Jews, and acted accordingly.
Funny, isn't it?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You should know, you are a Nazi.

Kat

2012-01-03 05:23:31 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Why do the homos bother you? Why do you give a shit?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

They pass disease.

Nazi's said the same about Jews, and acted accordingly.
Funny, isn't it?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You should know, you are a Nazi.

So anyone who has studied history is a Nazi? My goodness, this is bad
news for archaeologists and historians everywhere! I will have to
change my profession!

NefeshBarYochai

2012-01-03 18:01:56 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Why do the homos bother you? Why do you give a shit?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

They pass disease.

Nazi's said the same about Jews, and acted accordingly.
Funny, isn't it?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You should know, you are a Nazi.

So anyone who has studied history is a Nazi? My goodness, this is bad
news for archaeologists and historians everywhere! I will have to
change my profession!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I suggest you by an island in the pacific and help move gays from all
over the world to that island, kind of like what they use to do with
the lepers. Then when the filth of sodomy starts blowing over to the
good peoples continent all we need do is nuke the island and then we
would be free of the plague and filth of gays (may they all rot in
hell).

Kat

2012-01-03 18:15:25 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Why do the homos bother you? Why do you give a shit?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

They pass disease.

Nazi's said the same about Jews, and acted accordingly.
Funny, isn't it?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You should know, you are a Nazi.

So anyone who has studied history is a Nazi? My goodness, this is bad
news for archaeologists and historians everywhere! I will have to
change my profession!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You must live a very fearful, sad and lonely life with that much hate
in you. I feel genuinely sorry for your family and co-workers for
having to endure such a hateful and bitter person.

Straight people get diseases too, so clearly straight people (by your
logic) cannot have sex either. I suggest you buy an island where you
can go live by yourself. No phone, no internet, no other humans so you
cant get cooties.

As an added bonus, the rest of us wont have to put up with your
ridiculous ignorance.

a***@yahoo.com

2012-01-03 18:49:38 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Why do the homos bother you? Why do you give a shit?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

They pass disease.

Nazi's said the same about Jews, and acted accordingly.
Funny, isn't it?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You should know, you are a Nazi.

So anyone who has studied history is a Nazi? My goodness, this is bad
news for archaeologists and historians everywhere! I will have to
change my profession!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You must live a very fearful, sad and lonely life with that much hate
in you. I feel genuinely sorry for your family and co-workers for
having to endure such a hateful and bitter person.
Straight people get diseases too, so clearly straight people (by your
logic) cannot have sex either. I suggest you buy an island where you
can go live by yourself. No phone, no internet, no other humans so you
cant get cooties.
As an added bonus, the rest of us wont have to put up with your
ridiculous ignorance.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

God does make some strange people!

NefeshBarYochai

2012-01-03 21:47:12 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Why do the homos bother you? Why do you give a shit?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

They pass disease.

Nazi's said the same about Jews, and acted accordingly.
Funny, isn't it?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You should know, you are a Nazi.

So anyone who has studied history is a Nazi? My goodness, this is bad
news for archaeologists and historians everywhere! I will have to
change my profession!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You must live a very fearful, sad and lonely life with that much hate
in you. I feel genuinely sorry for your family and co-workers for
having to endure such a hateful and bitter person.
Straight people get diseases too, so clearly straight people (by your
logic) cannot have sex either. I suggest you buy an island where you
can go live by yourself. No phone, no internet, no other humans so you
cant get cooties.
As an added bonus, the rest of us wont have to put up with your
ridiculous ignorance.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Blow it out your ass hog.

a***@yahoo.com

2012-01-03 22:01:50 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Why do the homos bother you? Why do you give a shit?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

They pass disease.

Nazi's said the same about Jews, and acted accordingly.
Funny, isn't it?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You should know, you are a Nazi.

So anyone who has studied history is a Nazi? My goodness, this is bad
news for archaeologists and historians everywhere! I will have to
change my profession!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You must live a very fearful, sad and lonely life with that much hate
in you. I feel genuinely sorry for your family and co-workers for
having to endure such a hateful and bitter person.
Straight people get diseases too, so clearly straight people (by your
logic) cannot have sex either. I suggest you buy an island where you
can go live by yourself. No phone, no internet, no other humans so you
cant get cooties.
As an added bonus, the rest of us wont have to put up with your
ridiculous ignorance.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Blow it out your ass hog.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Now, there is a brilliant response !!! ;-))))

Kat

2012-01-03 23:22:08 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Why do the homos bother you? Why do you give a shit?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

They pass disease.

Nazi's said the same about Jews, and acted accordingly.
Funny, isn't it?- Hide quoted text -
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You should know, you are a Nazi.

So anyone who has studied history is a Nazi? My goodness, this is bad
news for archaeologists and historians everywhere! I will have to
change my profession!- Hide quoted text -
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You must live a very fearful, sad and lonely life with that much hate
in you. I feel genuinely sorry for your family and co-workers for
having to endure such a hateful and bitter person.
Straight people get diseases too, so clearly straight people (by your
logic) cannot have sex either. I suggest you buy an island where you
can go live by yourself. No phone, no internet, no other humans so you
cant get cooties.
As an added bonus, the rest of us wont have to put up with your
ridiculous ignorance.- Hide quoted text -
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Blow it out your ass hog.

And here is yet another perfect example of another limp-dicked asshole
acting like a big man on the internet. So quick to anger, so quick to
hate, so quick to break the commandments of the faith they cite as the
reasons for their hate.

What's the matter widdle guy, afraid some big mean gay man is going to
put it in your pooper and you will be forced to admit your years of
repressed sexual desire for the all-mighty penis?

John Dorsay

2012-01-03 23:40:17 UTC

<snip>

Post by NefeshBarYochai
Blow it out your ass hog.

And here is yet another perfect example of another limp-dicked asshole
acting like a big man on the internet. So quick to anger, so quick to
hate, so quick to break the commandments of the faith they cite as the
reasons for their hate.
What's the matter widdle guy, afraid some big mean gay man is going to
put it in your pooper and you will be forced to admit your years of
repressed sexual desire for the all-mighty penis?

Shame on you, Kat! You've made the homophobic asshole's homophobic
asshole all tingly with excitement and anticipation. He won't be
able to sit still for weeks!

John

NefeshBarYochai

2012-01-04 01:28:21 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
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Why do the homos bother you? Why do you give a shit?- Hide quoted text -
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They pass disease.

Nazi's said the same about Jews, and acted accordingly.
Funny, isn't it?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You should know, you are a Nazi.

So anyone who has studied history is a Nazi? My goodness, this is bad
news for archaeologists and historians everywhere! I will have to
change my profession!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You must live a very fearful, sad and lonely life with that much hate
in you. I feel genuinely sorry for your family and co-workers for
having to endure such a hateful and bitter person.
Straight people get diseases too, so clearly straight people (by your
logic) cannot have sex either. I suggest you buy an island where you
can go live by yourself. No phone, no internet, no other humans so you
cant get cooties.
As an added bonus, the rest of us wont have to put up with your
ridiculous ignorance.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Blow it out your ass hog.

And here is yet another perfect example of another limp-dicked asshole
acting like a big man on the internet. So quick to anger, so quick to
hate, so quick to break the commandments of the faith they cite as the
reasons for their hate.
What's the matter widdle guy, afraid some big mean gay man is going to
put it in your pooper and you will be forced to admit your years of
repressed sexual desire for the all-mighty penis?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Blow it out your ass troll.

Kat

2012-01-04 01:45:03 UTC

Post by NefeshBarYochai
Blow it out your ass troll.

You seem to have an obsession with blowing and asses and what gay men
do between the sheets. Have something about yourself you want to tell
us?

bd4u.utah

2012-01-11 06:45:36 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Why do the homos bother you? Why do you give a shit?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

They pass disease.

Nazi's said the same about Jews, and acted accordingly.
Funny, isn't it?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You should know, you are a Nazi.

So anyone who has studied history is a Nazi? My goodness, this is bad
news for archaeologists and historians everywhere! I will have to
change my profession!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

The problem is that AIDS is an epidemic that goes
far beyond Homosexuality.

Of course the easiest way to contain it would be
two fold.

1) Abstinence before Marriage

2) One partner for life eternally.

"As it was in the beginning, so shall it
be in the end."

bd4u.utah

Kat

2012-01-11 17:11:26 UTC

Post by bd4u.utah
The problem is that AIDS is an epidemic that goes
far beyond Homosexuality.
Of course the easiest way to contain it would be
two fold.
1) Abstinence before Marriage

The failure of the abstinence only education programs pretty much
invalidates that possibility.

http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/publications/623?task=view

It especially has not worked in Africa, where religious organizations
went and told people that condoms were a sin. SO MANY PEOPLE GOT AIDS
THAT A GENETIC MUTATION OCCURRED WITHIN THE POPULATION TO TRY AND
FIGHT IT!

Also... AIDS is spread ways other than sex, just ask all the poor
bastards who got tainted transfusions, organs or other tissue over the
years. Ask children born of mothers with the disorder. Ask rape
victims. Ask anyone dumb enough to share a tainted drug needle.

Post by bd4u.utah
2) One partner for life eternally.

What are victims of domestic abuse to do then, hm? Stay with the
partner who is beating them senseless every night instead of finding
someone who will respect them?

How do you plan to enforce the one partner rule?

I'm sorry but this is completely unrealistic and will do nothing to
stop the pandemic of HIV. You know what works? Education and
contraception. Clean needle programs for those dumb enough to shoot
up. Harsher penalties for rapists. Harsher penalties for companies who
harvest and sell tainted organs/transfusion material.

Religious organizations not condemning condom use would help too.
Clearly it hasn't stopped people from having sex, but it HAS made the
problem far worse.

a***@yahoo.com

2012-01-11 18:06:58 UTC

Post by bd4u.utah
The problem is that AIDS is an epidemic that goes
far beyond Homosexuality.
Of course the easiest way to contain it would be
two fold.
1) Abstinence before Marriage

The failure of the abstinence only education programs pretty much
invalidates that possibility.
http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/publications/623?task=view
It especially has not worked in Africa, where religious organizations
went and told people that condoms were a sin. SO MANY PEOPLE GOT AIDS
THAT A GENETIC MUTATION OCCURRED WITHIN THE POPULATION TO TRY AND
FIGHT IT!
Also... AIDS is spread ways other than sex, just ask all the poor
bastards who got tainted transfusions, organs or other tissue over the
years. Ask children born of mothers with the disorder. Ask rape
victims. Ask anyone dumb enough to share a tainted drug needle.

Post by bd4u.utah
2) One partner for life eternally.

What are victims of domestic abuse to do then, hm? Stay with the
partner who is beating them senseless every night instead of finding
someone who will respect them?
How do you plan to enforce the one partner rule?
I'm sorry but this is completely unrealistic and will do nothing to
stop the pandemic of HIV. You know what works? Education and
contraception. Clean needle programs for those dumb enough to shoot
up. Harsher penalties for rapists. Harsher penalties for companies who
harvest and sell tainted organs/transfusion material.
Religious organizations not condemning condom use would help too.
Clearly it hasn't stopped people from having sex, but it HAS made the
problem far worse.

Good response, Kat, nothing I could add.

Kat

2012-01-11 18:20:11 UTC

Post by a***@yahoo.com
Good response, Kat, nothing I could add.

It blows my mind that people *still* insist that encouraging
abstinence and condemning contraceptive use can prevent the spread of
HIV after what happened in Africa. It literally makes my stomach turn
whenever I see that. So many needless, preventable deaths...

a***@yahoo.com

2012-01-11 18:40:09 UTC

Post by a***@yahoo.com
Good response, Kat, nothing I could add.

You are so right, Kat, nothing can stop the 'doin what comes
naturally'. The answer is to eliminate disease, not sex.

bd4u.utah

2012-01-12 04:36:02 UTC

Post by a***@yahoo.com
Good response, Kat, nothing I could add.

You are so right, Kat, nothing can stop the 'doin what comes
naturally'. The answer is to eliminate disease, not sex.

People who put the cart before the horse
won't get very far.

bd4u.utah

Kat

2012-01-12 05:46:39 UTC

Post by bd4u.utah
People who put the cart before the horse
won't get very far.

Opinion, nothing more.

Sex is a natural part of our existence. To demonize a basic biological
function is absurd.

bd4u.utah

2012-01-12 16:27:24 UTC

Post by bd4u.utah
People who put the cart before the horse
won't get very far.

Opinion, nothing more.
Sex is a natural part of our existence. To demonize a basic biological
function is absurd.
http://youtu.be/az8GPSOdR2g

What are you arguing against? Yourself?
Where is the relevance?

bd4u.utah

Kat

2012-01-12 19:13:36 UTC

Post by bd4u.utah
People who put the cart before the horse
won't get very far.

Opinion, nothing more.
Sex is a natural part of our existence. To demonize a basic biological
function is absurd.
http://youtu.be/az8GPSOdR2g

What are you arguing against? Yourself?
Where is the relevance?
bd4u.utah

I'm arguing against your point, which is based solely on opinion.

The relevance is that attaching religious dogma to basic biological
functions is absurd.

dsharavi

2012-01-12 20:34:52 UTC

Post by bd4u.utah
People who put the cart before the horse
won't get very far.

Opinion, nothing more.
Sex is a natural part of our existence. To demonize a basic biological
function is absurd.
http://youtu.be/az8GPSOdR2g

What are you arguing against? Yourself?
Where is the relevance?
bd4u.utah

I'm arguing against your point, which is based solely on opinion.
The relevance is that attaching religious dogma to basic biological
functions is absurd.

So, then, one can fuck anyone whom one pleases?

Kat

2012-01-12 21:04:40 UTC

Post by dsharavi
So, then, one can fuck anyone whom one pleases?

I didn't say that. There ARE important limitations to place on sex,
gender simply isn't among them. These limitations, imo, include

1) Consent: Kids cant give it. Adults can deny it (no means no).
2) Incest: I don't think I need to explain why it is a bad idea to
copulate with your relatives.

I see nothing wrong with two unrelated adults having consensual sex.
They are capable of making that decision, they have that right.

bd4u.utah

2012-01-12 04:34:07 UTC

Post by a***@yahoo.com
Good response, Kat, nothing I could add.

What blows my mind is that some people
seem to think Abstinence somehow
condemns contraception.

On the other hand, NO contraception works
100%, but abstinence does as long as you
faithfully practice it.

Problem is, most people are not mature
and responsible enough to practice it
faithfully.

bd4u.utah

Kat

2012-01-12 05:41:58 UTC

Post by a***@yahoo.com
Good response, Kat, nothing I could add.

What blows my mind is that some people
seem to think Abstinence somehow
condemns contraception.

Tell that to the Catholic church and several other religious
organizations that condemn condom use. Organizations, I might add,
that went into rural and impoverished areas and spread that message,
resulting in increased rates of HIV transmission. The Catholic church
has even publicly claimed that condoms are full of tiny invisible
holes that let the HIV virus through and therefore should not be used!

Post by bd4u.utah
On the other hand, NO contraception works
100%, but abstinence does as long as you
faithfully practice it.
Problem is, most people are not mature
and responsible enough to practice it
faithfully.

Maybe that is because it is completely unreasonable?

bd4u.utah

2012-01-12 04:24:26 UTC

Post by bd4u.utah
The problem is that AIDS is an epidemic that goes
far beyond Homosexuality.
Of course the easiest way to contain it would be
two fold.
1) Abstinence before Marriage

The failure of the abstinence only education programs pretty much
invalidates that possibility.
http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/publications/623?task=view
It especially has not worked in Africa, where religious organizations
went and told people that condoms were a sin. SO MANY PEOPLE GOT AIDS
THAT A GENETIC MUTATION OCCURRED WITHIN THE POPULATION TO TRY AND
FIGHT IT!
Also... AIDS is spread ways other than sex, just ask all the poor
bastards who got tainted transfusions, organs or other tissue over the
years. Ask children born of mothers with the disorder. Ask rape
victims. Ask anyone dumb enough to share a tainted drug needle.

Post by bd4u.utah
2) One partner for life eternally.

What are victims of domestic abuse to do then, hm? Stay with the
partner who is beating them senseless every night instead of finding
someone who will respect them?
How do you plan to enforce the one partner rule?
I'm sorry but this is completely unrealistic and will do nothing to
stop the pandemic of HIV. You know what works? Education and
contraception. Clean needle programs for those dumb enough to shoot
up. Harsher penalties for rapists. Harsher penalties for companies who
harvest and sell tainted organs/transfusion material.
Religious organizations not condemning condom use would help too.
Clearly it hasn't stopped people from having sex, but it HAS made the
problem far worse.

I said it was the "easiest" way to "contain"
the epidemic. The fact that it is NOT being
"contained", kind of speaks for itself.

Kat

2012-01-12 05:29:21 UTC

Post by bd4u.utah
I said it was the "easiest" way to "contain"
the epidemic. The fact that it is NOT being
"contained", kind of speaks for itself.

Its a completely unrealistic way to "contain" the epidemic for two
very large and glaring reasons:

1) Needle sharing among drug users

2) Rape

Add to this fact your "one partner for life" rule, which would be
impossible to police and would inevitably result in a lot of miserable
people.. and dead people from spousal abuse.

bd4u.utah

2012-01-12 16:16:09 UTC

Post by bd4u.utah
I said it was the "easiest" way to "contain"
the epidemic. The fact that it is NOT being
"contained", kind of speaks for itself.

Its a completely unrealistic way to "contain" the epidemic for two
1) Needle sharing among drug users
2) Rape
Add to this fact your "one partner for life" rule, which would be
impossible to police and would inevitably result in a lot of miserable
people.. and dead people from spousal abuse.

Who said anything about policing, I'm talking
about people taking personal responsibility.
Obviously Abstinence won't work as long as there
are people like you around to disagree with it.

Abstinence builds character, some people
simply don't have any. Not in this world.

But this I tell you truly, if you don't have sex
outside of marriage and don't do drugs. IOW
live a moral life, your chances of getting Aids
are slim to none. By any other definition, that's
called "containment".

bd4u.utah

Kat

2012-01-12 19:12:02 UTC

Post by bd4u.utah
Who said anything about policing, I'm talking
about people taking personal responsibility.

.... Policing is a large part of assuring that people don't run free
RAPING people. You can preach personal responsibility all you want,
but a responsible woman (or man) can still have her home broken into
and be violated even if she is responsible.

Post by bd4u.utah
Obviously Abstinence won't work as long as there
are people like you around to disagree with it.

Really? Really? I'm allergic to latex and cant take most forms of
birth control due to my heart condition, so I waited for marriage.
My personal sense of responsibility however, was nearly negated by a
very evil man in a parking lot. Yay for self defense classes, or else
I would have become a statistic.

THAT is why I state that abstinence doesn't work. You can control
yourself, but you cannot control the people around you. So kindly
don't blame ME for what humanity has been doing for hundreds of
thousands, if not millions, of years.

Post by bd4u.utah
Abstinence builds character, some people
simply don't have any. Not in this world.
But this I tell you truly, if you don't have sex
outside of marriage and don't do drugs. IOW
live a moral life, your chances of getting Aids
are slim to none. By any other definition, that's
called "containment".
bd4u.utah

Again, that will not prevent rape from spreading the disease. Sexual
predators aren't concerned with living a "moral" life. You cannot stop
them with dogma.

Peter Schilte

2012-01-03 05:39:50 UTC

A few times a year, I take people out of my kill file to see if they
are still the close minded sod that I last encountered. You failed to
disappoint.
Where is this evidence to support that government interference is
causing marriage to go down the shitter? If you examine history.. you
know... FACT.. marriages have run foul for a very very long time, even
before the rise of judeo-christian faiths. In fact, it was such a
common societal problem than the bible itself discusses affairs and
other marital problems.
Two people in love wanting to live together has nothing to do with
religion, particularly in a country where atheists have the same
rights under the law as people of faith. We are all human beings..
black, white, male, female, muslim, christian, gay, straight,
transgender.. we are ALL one race, one tribe. To deny any subgroup of
the human race their fundamental rights as people is morally,
intellectually and spiritually wrong.
This is not a theocracy. So long as "marriage" as an institution
impacts our taxes, our insurance and even our right to visit our loved
ones in the emergency room.. it is secular. Many states go so far as
to recognize "common law" marriages.. no ceremony required. As such,
religion no longer "owns" the term.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Why do the homos bother you? Why do you give a shit?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

They pass disease.

Nazi's said the same about Jews, and acted accordingly.
Funny, isn't it?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You should know, you are a Nazi.

And again: Wrong. But you knew that all along, yet don't have any
valid arguments left.
You however call for the "Endlösung" of homosexuals, which is what the
Nazi's did, among some other things.

Sir Peter

x***@yahoo.com

2012-01-01 11:38:31 UTC

Some authority, MUST be involved in marital affairs, simply because,
this instutition involves, the creation of children.

Thus, SOMEONE must take responsibility for them.

We've seen in America, where children were abandoned and left to
wander the streets, all because of failed marriages. And even if the
couple remained together.

Marriage licensing, is a legal tool for the government, to hold people
accountable for child welfare ,AND THAT IS ALL!!!!!!!!!

Otherwise, why would anyone care?

LOL

Validation: rerpopa

bd4u.utah

2012-01-02 02:14:01 UTC