Discussion:
SMM shows hate, and ridicule, as well as ripping off old ladies
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DanpeasantUCdriver
2005-06-23 01:09:53 UTC
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This is a clip from one web site. In it you can see the hatred SMM has for
Gays. He uses name calling and he usually does when it comes to Gays, even
though gays are born gay, some even as transgenders. Nature itself, has a
gay nature within itself.

You can also see what happened in Japan, and this is true. The Japanese
members were supporting the US UC, and many wondered how? I joined the UC
in the middle of the 70's and never once heard, read, or was told to write
my parents every 10 days. As a matter of fact, I was told I was writing
them to much and to stop writing them for one year.

Danny

"Gay rights groups resent his uncompromising calls for sexual purity. Moon
is implacably opposed to homosexuality, calling gays "dung-eating dogs" who
would have no place in a "peace kingdom".

Early Congressional opponents like Donald Fraser dogged Moon for association
with figures in the Koreagate influence-peddling scandal, as well as alleged
financial fraud. In the 1990s, thousands of Japanese elderly claimed to have
been defrauded of their life savings by Moon followers' spiritual sales, a
conviction upheld in 1997 by the Supreme Court of Japan.

In the 1970s, Moon was accused of breaking up families by aggressively
encouraging young college students to break off contact with the outside
world, and sell trinkets to raise money for the church. Church sources
counter that Moon urged members to "write a letter to your parents every ten
days".
Eric
2005-06-23 02:01:54 UTC
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Post by DanpeasantUCdriver
This is a clip from one web site. In it you can see the hatred SMM has for
Gays. He uses name calling and he usually does when it comes to Gays, even
though gays are born gay,
There is no real evidence for that. Many gays, especially women will
admit proudly that they chose to be gay... when they aren't trying to
make a propaganda point.
Post by DanpeasantUCdriver
some even as transgenders.
Others are born with holes in their hearts, transpositions of the great
arteries, trisomies, their intestines on the outside of their bodies,
etc. So, that is all good and not something that people should try to
fix and an argument against medicine attempting to correct the defects,
according to Danny's logic.
Post by DanpeasantUCdriver
Nature itself, has a
gay nature within itself.
From a material perspective, life's primary directives are survival and
reproduction. Homosexuality enhances neither, in fact, it apparently
decreases the likelihood of both.

From a religious perspective, life is about the multiplication of love
through nurturing in families, and it's expansion in numbers through
birth and expansion across time through the generations. Again,
homosexuality does not enhance that process, in fact it usually hinders
it.

Your idea that nature has a 'gay' aspect seems to lack any logic. It
makes as much sense as defending cannibalism because it exists in
nature.
Post by DanpeasantUCdriver
You can also see what happened in Japan, and this is true. The Japanese
members were supporting the US UC, and many wondered how? I joined the UC
in the middle of the 70's and never once heard, read, or was told to write
my parents every 10 days. As a matter of fact, I was told I was writing
them to much and to stop writing them for one year.
That's your experience, it is not that of most people in the church.

"I would like you to write to your parents and to your brothers and
sisters every ten days. It is possible to restore your relatives with a
third of the effort you need for the restoration of society. "
http://www.unification.net/gww/gww-12.html

This is a quote from 1973 and I was clearly informed when I joined and
was reminded several times later.

So, in all likelihood you were told, as were most of us. You just don't
remember.
Post by DanpeasantUCdriver
Danny
"Gay rights groups resent his uncompromising calls for sexual purity.
Yep, can't have that, it would spoil the orgy.
Post by DanpeasantUCdriver
Moon
is implacably opposed to homosexuality, calling gays "dung-eating dogs" who
would have no place in a "peace kingdom".
I believe he compared them to dung-eating dogs and it is a common
Korean (as well as other cultures) way to describe someone's behavior
as being really low class. Anyone who has been to a gay pride parade in
San Francisco or NYC would know it is true about many, and of the many
that don't participate in such behavior, most won't criticise their
fellows who do.

C'mon, Danny, they hide in the crappers of public toilets to have sex
with each other not caring if 4 year old boys might come in and find
them. Some of them probably hope one will. How low can you go?
Dung-eating dogs? Geez, it's practically a compliment compared to their
real behavior.
Post by DanpeasantUCdriver
Early Congressional opponents like Donald Fraser dogged Moon for association
with figures in the Koreagate influence-peddling scandal, as well as alleged
financial fraud. In the 1990s, thousands of Japanese elderly claimed to have
been defrauded of their life savings by Moon followers' spiritual sales, a
conviction upheld in 1997 by the Supreme Court of Japan.
This is a lawsuit put together by a group of leftwing lawyers. People
donate money for many reasons. Sometimes they feel they gave too much
and have regret. Sort of like Danny deciding to fundraise as a
volunteer, and now wanting to be compensated for his time.

Personally, I think that if some few members told old women that if
they gave all their money, it would save their husbands from hell, that
is theologically unsound and morally unconscionable. It does not mean
that Rev. Moon endorsed it, though the church rightfully protested that
having people change their minds about donations years later and demand
money be repaid long after it had been donated and spent, is wrong too.
But it does not mean Rev. Moon endorsed the practice to begin with, it
means that in a country where the Christian foundation is nearly
non-existent, some members misinperpreted doctrine and overzealously
applied their misinterpretation.
Post by DanpeasantUCdriver
In the 1970s, Moon was accused of breaking up families by aggressively
encouraging young college students to break off contact with the outside
world, and sell trinkets to raise money for the church. Church sources
counter that Moon urged members to "write a letter to your parents every ten
days".
"Leave the dead to bury the dead."

Danny apparently doesn't like what Jesus had to say, nor what Jesus
did, told his followers to do, and which his followers even criticised
him when he deviated from their expectations.
g***@netscape.net
2005-06-23 02:18:59 UTC
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Post by Eric
Post by DanpeasantUCdriver
In the 1970s, Moon was accused of breaking up families by aggressively
encouraging young college students to break off contact with the outside
world, and sell trinkets to raise money for the church. Church sources
counter that Moon urged members to "write a letter to your parents every ten
days".
"Leave the dead to bury the dead."
Danny apparently doesn't like what Jesus had to say, nor what Jesus
did, told his followers to do, and which his followers even criticised
him when he deviated from their expectations.
*moonie* Eric apparently wants to misconstrue what Jesus was saying,
and insinuate everybodies parents who follow MOON is "dead". That's
just
plain silly, of both Eric and MOON to even suggest. It's also pitting
children *against* their parents just like Revelations says will happen
in the end. MOON and Eric is promoting in a twisted way, exactly what
the Book of Revelations said would happen. Sick!!!


bd4u
Eric
2005-06-23 04:06:12 UTC
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Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Eric
Post by DanpeasantUCdriver
In the 1970s, Moon was accused of breaking up families by aggressively
encouraging young college students to break off contact with the outside
world, and sell trinkets to raise money for the church. Church sources
counter that Moon urged members to "write a letter to your parents every ten
days".
"Leave the dead to bury the dead."
Danny apparently doesn't like what Jesus had to say, nor what Jesus
did, told his followers to do, and which his followers even criticised
him when he deviated from their expectations.
*moonie* Eric apparently wants to misconstrue what Jesus was saying,
I've misconstrued nothing. Please show us.
Post by g***@netscape.net
and insinuate everybodies parents who follow MOON is "dead".
Some of them have received grace through Jesus, that is true. However,
if they reject the second coming, that whole equation is brought into
question.
Post by g***@netscape.net
That's
just
plain silly, of both Eric and MOON to even suggest. It's also pitting
children *against* their parents just like Revelations says will happen
in the end. MOON and Eric is promoting in a twisted way, exactly what
the Book of Revelations said would happen. Sick!!!
bd4u
The prophecy is going to be fulfilled, no matter what. Jesus knows the
human nature that will make it inevitable that some fulfill it. The
question is how many? Rev. Moon is doing his duty as a filial son to
try and prevent as many as possible from facing that fate.
g***@netscape.net
2005-06-23 14:25:19 UTC
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You *moonies* are good at changing MOON's words to suite you.
It's really quite delusional of -you- by believing what ya
want to.
Post by Eric
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Eric
Post by DanpeasantUCdriver
In the 1970s, Moon was accused of breaking up families by aggressively
encouraging young college students to break off contact with the outside
world, and sell trinkets to raise money for the church. Church sources
counter that Moon urged members to "write a letter to your parents every ten
days".
"Leave the dead to bury the dead."
Danny apparently doesn't like what Jesus had to say, nor what Jesus
did, told his followers to do, and which his followers even criticised
him when he deviated from their expectations.
*moonie* Eric apparently wants to misconstrue what Jesus was saying,
I've misconstrued nothing. Please show us.
Post by g***@netscape.net
and insinuate everybodies parents who follow MOON is "dead".
Some of them have received grace through Jesus, that is true. However,
if they reject the second coming, that whole equation is brought into
question.
Post by g***@netscape.net
That's
just
plain silly, of both Eric and MOON to even suggest. It's also pitting
children *against* their parents just like Revelations says will happen
in the end. MOON and Eric is promoting in a twisted way, exactly what
the Book of Revelations said would happen. Sick!!!
bd4u
The prophecy is going to be fulfilled, no matter what. Jesus knows the
human nature that will make it inevitable that some fulfill it. The
question is how many? Rev. Moon is doing his duty as a filial son to
try and prevent as many as possible from facing that fate.
Eric
2005-06-23 14:54:13 UTC
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oh, yawn, did you say something? oh, I see, nothing important.

Unless you mean to say that you really can't discuss the issue... but
we knew that already.
Post by g***@netscape.net
You *moonies* are good at changing MOON's words to suite you.
It's really quite delusional of -you- by believing what ya
want to.
Post by Eric
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Eric
Post by DanpeasantUCdriver
In the 1970s, Moon was accused of breaking up families by aggressively
encouraging young college students to break off contact with the outside
world, and sell trinkets to raise money for the church. Church sources
counter that Moon urged members to "write a letter to your parents
every
ten
days".
"Leave the dead to bury the dead."
Danny apparently doesn't like what Jesus had to say, nor what Jesus
did, told his followers to do, and which his followers even criticised
him when he deviated from their expectations.
*moonie* Eric apparently wants to misconstrue what Jesus was saying,
I've misconstrued nothing. Please show us.
Post by g***@netscape.net
and insinuate everybodies parents who follow MOON is "dead".
Some of them have received grace through Jesus, that is true. However,
if they reject the second coming, that whole equation is brought into
question.
Post by g***@netscape.net
That's
just
plain silly, of both Eric and MOON to even suggest. It's also pitting
children *against* their parents just like Revelations says will happen
in the end. MOON and Eric is promoting in a twisted way, exactly what
the Book of Revelations said would happen. Sick!!!
bd4u
The prophecy is going to be fulfilled, no matter what. Jesus knows the
human nature that will make it inevitable that some fulfill it. The
question is how many? Rev. Moon is doing his duty as a filial son to
try and prevent as many as possible from facing that fate.
g***@netscape.net
2005-06-23 15:03:39 UTC
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Discuss what? That MOON is a LIAR and a FAKE? I do it all
the time fella, for which -you- are the one who has NO reply
to it. Shall I go through the ARU forum and count all the times
-you- haven't replied to my statements?

Yer delusional, it's plain as day, really.
Post by Eric
oh, yawn, did you say something? oh, I see, nothing important.
Unless you mean to say that you really can't discuss the issue... but
we knew that already.
Post by g***@netscape.net
You *moonies* are good at changing MOON's words to suite you.
It's really quite delusional of -you- by believing what ya
want to.
Post by Eric
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Eric
Post by DanpeasantUCdriver
In the 1970s, Moon was accused of breaking up families by aggressively
encouraging young college students to break off contact with the
outside
world, and sell trinkets to raise money for the church. Church sources
counter that Moon urged members to "write a letter to your parents
every
ten
days".
"Leave the dead to bury the dead."
Danny apparently doesn't like what Jesus had to say, nor what Jesus
did, told his followers to do, and which his followers even criticised
him when he deviated from their expectations.
*moonie* Eric apparently wants to misconstrue what Jesus was saying,
I've misconstrued nothing. Please show us.
Post by g***@netscape.net
and insinuate everybodies parents who follow MOON is "dead".
Some of them have received grace through Jesus, that is true. However,
if they reject the second coming, that whole equation is brought into
question.
Post by g***@netscape.net
That's
just
plain silly, of both Eric and MOON to even suggest. It's also pitting
children *against* their parents just like Revelations says will happen
in the end. MOON and Eric is promoting in a twisted way, exactly what
the Book of Revelations said would happen. Sick!!!
bd4u
The prophecy is going to be fulfilled, no matter what. Jesus knows the
human nature that will make it inevitable that some fulfill it. The
question is how many? Rev. Moon is doing his duty as a filial son to
try and prevent as many as possible from facing that fate.
Eric
2005-06-23 16:21:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by g***@netscape.net
Discuss what? That MOON is a LIAR and a FAKE? I do it all
the time fella, for which -you- are the one who has NO reply
to it. Shall I go through the ARU forum and count all the times
-you- haven't replied to my statements?
Yer delusional, it's plain as day, really.
I don't reply because most of what you say is not worthy of a reply.
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Eric
oh, yawn, did you say something? oh, I see, nothing important.
Unless you mean to say that you really can't discuss the issue... but
we knew that already.
Post by g***@netscape.net
You *moonies* are good at changing MOON's words to suite you.
It's really quite delusional of -you- by believing what ya
want to.
Post by Eric
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Eric
Post by DanpeasantUCdriver
In the 1970s, Moon was accused of breaking up families by
aggressively
encouraging young college students to break off contact with the
outside
world, and sell trinkets to raise money for the church. Church
sources
counter that Moon urged members to "write a letter to your parents
every
ten
days".
"Leave the dead to bury the dead."
Danny apparently doesn't like what Jesus had to say, nor what Jesus
did, told his followers to do, and which his followers even criticised
him when he deviated from their expectations.
*moonie* Eric apparently wants to misconstrue what Jesus was saying,
I've misconstrued nothing. Please show us.
Post by g***@netscape.net
and insinuate everybodies parents who follow MOON is "dead".
Some of them have received grace through Jesus, that is true. However,
if they reject the second coming, that whole equation is brought into
question.
Post by g***@netscape.net
That's
just
plain silly, of both Eric and MOON to even suggest. It's also pitting
children *against* their parents just like Revelations says will happen
in the end. MOON and Eric is promoting in a twisted way, exactly what
the Book of Revelations said would happen. Sick!!!
bd4u
The prophecy is going to be fulfilled, no matter what. Jesus knows the
human nature that will make it inevitable that some fulfill it. The
question is how many? Rev. Moon is doing his duty as a filial son to
try and prevent as many as possible from facing that fate.
g***@netscape.net
2005-06-23 17:12:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Eric
Post by g***@netscape.net
Discuss what? That MOON is a LIAR and a FAKE? I do it all
the time fella, for which -you- are the one who has NO reply
to it. Shall I go through the ARU forum and count all the times
-you- haven't replied to my statements?
Yer delusional, it's plain as day, really.
I don't reply because most of what you say is not worthy of a reply.
You are a big fat toad of a liar. You don't reply because there is
NO reply that can counter the absolute truth. MOON is nothing but
a snake oil salesman selling a miracle cure for something that don't
even exist, *moonie* dude and I have proven it too! Go try to convince
the Jews of "original sin", and see if they don't call MOON a quack
too!


bd4u
Post by Eric
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Eric
oh, yawn, did you say something? oh, I see, nothing important.
Unless you mean to say that you really can't discuss the issue... but
we knew that already.
Post by g***@netscape.net
You *moonies* are good at changing MOON's words to suite you.
It's really quite delusional of -you- by believing what ya
want to.
Post by Eric
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Eric
Post by DanpeasantUCdriver
In the 1970s, Moon was accused of breaking up families by
aggressively
encouraging young college students to break off contact with the
outside
world, and sell trinkets to raise money for the church. Church
sources
counter that Moon urged members to "write a letter to your parents
every
ten
days".
"Leave the dead to bury the dead."
Danny apparently doesn't like what Jesus had to say, nor what Jesus
did, told his followers to do, and which his followers even
criticised
him when he deviated from their expectations.
*moonie* Eric apparently wants to misconstrue what Jesus was saying,
I've misconstrued nothing. Please show us.
Post by g***@netscape.net
and insinuate everybodies parents who follow MOON is "dead".
Some of them have received grace through Jesus, that is true. However,
if they reject the second coming, that whole equation is brought into
question.
Post by g***@netscape.net
That's
just
plain silly, of both Eric and MOON to even suggest. It's also pitting
children *against* their parents just like Revelations says will happen
in the end. MOON and Eric is promoting in a twisted way, exactly what
the Book of Revelations said would happen. Sick!!!
bd4u
The prophecy is going to be fulfilled, no matter what. Jesus knows the
human nature that will make it inevitable that some fulfill it. The
question is how many? Rev. Moon is doing his duty as a filial son to
try and prevent as many as possible from facing that fate.
DanInsane&Mad
2005-07-03 00:47:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Eric
Post by g***@netscape.net
Discuss what? That MOON is a LIAR and a FAKE? I do it all
the time fella, for which -you- are the one who has NO reply
to it. Shall I go through the ARU forum and count all the times
-you- haven't replied to my statements?
Yer delusional, it's plain as day, really.
I don't reply because most of what you say is not worthy of a
reply.
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Eric
Post by Eric
Post by DanpeasantUCdriver
In the 1970s, Moon was accused of breaking up
families by
aggressively
encouraging young college students to break off
contact with the
outside
world, and sell trinkets to raise money for the
church. Church
sources
counter that Moon urged members to "write a letter to
your parents
every
ten
days".
"Leave the dead to bury the dead."
Danny apparently doesn't like what Jesus had to say,
nor what Jesus
did, told his followers to do, and which his followers even
criticised
him when he deviated from their expectations.
The prophecy is going to be fulfilled, no matter what. Jesus knows the
human nature that will make it inevitable that some fulfill it. The
question is how many? Rev. Moon is doing his duty as a filial son to
try and prevent as many as possible from facing that fate.
Lies and deceit? Lets see.

SMM said, "I am sure you have heard from some of my speeches after the
Washington Monument rally that now the time has come for the entire
spirit world to cooperate. It is ready to come down to assist our
movement. As you know on Cotober 4, 1976, I declared the Day of the
Victory of Heaven dawned, and the barriers between relligions in the
spirit world have literally been broken down. Unity was formed and
spirits are really assaulting the earth. This phenomenon is happening
in vaarious ways."

Does ust mean that Islam, Hindus, and Christians were going to start
getting along?????

But then if you read the book, "Night", a person may wonder why would
SMM bless Hitler, regardless of that one girl stuck in the mud. In
Night it is a life story of a survivor of the Halocaust. This boy,
was saved many times by his dad. They, and his mom and sister went to
Auswitz, at night. They were taken off the train and were ordered to
march forwards. As they marched, the woman, children, including
babies, were weeded out of the group. The woman were shot and put in
a big hole full of dead woman. The babies were thrown into a pit and
both were set on fire. The children too, were put in these pits.

Once in a while they would keep a woman, for testing or sex slavery,
and they would drop a baby from high up and see how high they could go
before it would die on impact.

The boy and his dad were lead to another pit, which was on fire, and
as they thought they were going to march into this pit they were told
to turn a different direction and were hearded into an Army Barrics.

Blessing Hitler before every Jew that he murdered was blessed is just
plain wrong, with no common sense.

By the way, SMM asked for the controversy of taking away kids from
their families. He had many leave collages in the middle of there
semester. He had leaders that ordered people not to talk to their
parents. Boonville refused parents the right to see their children.
Other Centers also refused visitors. I recall doing that in NY
myself.

He taught that Jesus was not God, and had failed His mission. He also
said he would bless Jesus with Mary Magdelene, then went ahead to
bless him with someone in the UC. Jesus of all people, deserved to
get what He wanted. I mean SMM gave into many, many other requests.
In the 1800 blessing, couples would meet in a room discuss their
future, go to SMM and ask his OK for the blessing. SMM sometimes said
yes, sometimes no.

Danny

Damn spell check doesn't work
Eric
2005-07-03 08:03:19 UTC
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Post by DanInsane&Mad
Post by Eric
Post by g***@netscape.net
Discuss what? That MOON is a LIAR and a FAKE? I do it all
the time fella, for which -you- are the one who has NO reply
to it. Shall I go through the ARU forum and count all the times
-you- haven't replied to my statements?
Yer delusional, it's plain as day, really.
I don't reply because most of what you say is not worthy of a reply.
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Eric
Post by Eric
Post by DanpeasantUCdriver
In the 1970s, Moon was accused of breaking up
families by
aggressively
encouraging young college students to break off
contact with the
outside
world, and sell trinkets to raise money for the
church. Church
sources
counter that Moon urged members to "write a letter to
your parents
every
ten
days".
"Leave the dead to bury the dead."
Danny apparently doesn't like what Jesus had to say,
nor what Jesus
did, told his followers to do, and which his followers even
criticised
him when he deviated from their expectations.
The prophecy is going to be fulfilled, no matter what.
Jesus knows the
human nature that will make it inevitable that some fulfill it. The
question is how many? Rev. Moon is doing his duty as a filial son to
try and prevent as many as possible from facing that fate.
Lies and deceit? Lets see.
SMM said, "I am sure you have heard from some of my speeches after the
Washington Monument rally that now the time has come for the entire
spirit world to cooperate. It is ready to come down to assist our
movement. As you know on Cotober 4, 1976, I declared the Day of the
Victory of Heaven dawned, and the barriers between relligions in the
spirit world have literally been broken down. Unity was formed and
spirits are really assaulting the earth. This phenomenon is happening
in vaarious ways."
And so it is and proceeds apace.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Does ust mean that Islam, Hindus, and Christians were going to start
getting along?????
Very good. Are you sure you aren't still a member?
Post by DanInsane&Mad
But then if you read the book, "Night", a person may wonder why would
SMM bless Hitler, regardless of that one girl stuck in the mud. In
Night it is a life story of a survivor of the Halocaust. This boy,
was saved many times by his dad. They, and his mom and sister went to
Auswitz, at night. They were taken off the train and were ordered to
march forwards. As they marched, the woman, children, including
babies, were weeded out of the group. The woman were shot and put in
a big hole full of dead woman. The babies were thrown into a pit and
both were set on fire. The children too, were put in these pits.
Once in a while they would keep a woman, for testing or sex slavery,
and they would drop a baby from high up and see how high they could go
before it would die on impact.
The boy and his dad were lead to another pit, which was on fire, and
as they thought they were going to march into this pit they were told
to turn a different direction and were hearded into an Army Barrics.
I am sure that we can all relate more stories of the Holocaust. Thanks
for sharing.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Blessing Hitler before every Jew that he murdered was blessed is just
plain wrong, with no common sense.
Blessing Hitler demonstrated that God's love and grace is all
encompassing. That is a profound statement and realization. Some people
still don't seem to get it.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
By the way, SMM asked for the controversy of taking away kids from
their families. He had many leave collages in the middle of there
semester. He had leaders that ordered people not to talk to their
parents. Boonville refused parents the right to see their children.
Other Centers also refused visitors. I recall doing that in NY
myself.
So? He didn't ask for it, that is just the nature of things. That is
why Jesus said it would happen. One wonders why you are surprised.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
He taught that Jesus was not God,
Do you honestly think he is?
Post by DanInsane&Mad
and had failed His mission.
He taught that Jesus' mission is dependent on fulfillment of human
responsibility. I know that you have a hard time believing in
responsibility. But it is reality nonetheless.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
He also
said he would bless Jesus with Mary Magdelene,
Can you show us where he said that, please?
Post by DanInsane&Mad
then went ahead to
bless him with someone in the UC. Jesus of all people, deserved to
get what He wanted.
What makes you think that you know he didn't?
Post by DanInsane&Mad
I mean SMM gave into many, many other requests.
In the 1800 blessing, couples would meet in a room discuss their
future, go to SMM and ask his OK for the blessing. SMM sometimes said
yes, sometimes no.
Oh, at last, we have a critic who admits the truth. Rev. Moon doesn't
just insist that people match only with whom he chooses.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Danny
Damn spell check doesn't work
Yes, blame it on the spell checker. Needing one is a sign of a poor
education.
DanInsane&Mad
2005-07-07 00:54:21 UTC
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"Eric" >> >
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Lies and deceit? Lets see.
SMM said, "I am sure you have heard from some of my speeches after the
Washington Monument rally that now the time has come for the entire
spirit world to cooperate. It is ready to come down to assist our
movement. As you know on Cotober 4, 1976, I declared the Day of the
Victory of Heaven dawned, and the barriers between religions in the
spirit world have literally been broken down. Unity was formed and
spirits are really assaulting the earth. This phenomenon is
happening
in various ways."
And so it is and proceeds apace.
Is there any proof of the spirits mingling with us humans, like in
Ghost Busters, maybe a Giant Marshmallow Puffy will show up and we
will all be amazed?
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Does us mean that Islam, Hindus, and Christians were going to start
getting along?????
Very good. Are you sure you aren't still a member?
I've noticed an increase in violence between those groups, world wide.
No getting along there.
Post by Eric
I am sure that we can all relate more stories of the Holocaust. Thanks
for sharing.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Blessing Hitler before every Jew that he murdered was blessed is just
plain wrong, with no common sense.
There is such a thing as Justice, and by blessing Hitler, no justice
is served. He (Hitler), is just headline material. It is also an
insult to all people. What about Dahmer? Is he next? How about
Judas, he should be before Hitler. There is such a big deal, within
the UC, about which blessing a person belongs to, that doing Hitler in
the order he was blessed, puts him above many people within the UC
socially. Like the 36 Blessed Couples, compared to the bigger
blessings.
Post by Eric
Blessing Hitler demonstrated that God's love and grace is all
encompassing. That is a profound statement and realization. Some people
still don't seem to get it.
It shows that SMM has no concept of justice. No compassion to the
people still alive who were in the death camps.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
By the way, SMM asked for the controversy of taking away kids from
their families. He had many leave collages in the middle of there
semester. He had leaders that ordered people not to talk to their
parents. Boonville refused parents the right to see their
children.
Other Centers also refused visitors. I recall doing that in NY
myself.
So? He didn't ask for it, that is just the nature of things. That is
why Jesus said it would happen. One wonders why you are surprised.
Did you notice how the US Govt blamed and imprisoned SMM on tax
charges? I am sure he never touched the money. He never fundraised
the money, nor did he do the books. He is not that kind of leader.
But the Government blamed him and sent him and Kamiyama to Prison.
Likewise, when horrific things happen in the UC, he is at fault. When
people died fundraising, SMM is at fault. When I was beaten and in a
wheel chair, it was SMM's fault.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
He taught that Jesus was not God,
Do you honestly think he is?
Do you really give a care of what I believe?
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
and had failed His mission.
Only according to the DP, UC, and SMM, and you of course. But for
one, there never was an Adam and Eve, but I do believe there was a
Jesus, who got crucified. He went, in the unwritten years, visited
some far away monasteries. But the proof in their writings. And they
have millions upon millions of writings, scrolled up, and hopefully
not burned by the communists.

Last I heard the Monastery is still there. If I was rich, I would
translate each of those scrolls.
Post by Eric
He taught that Jesus' mission is dependent on fulfillment of human
responsibility. I know that you have a hard time believing in
responsibility. But it is reality nonetheless.
Like Hyo Jins responsibilities, and SMM responsibilities, as well as
your responsibilities?
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
He also
said he would bless Jesus with Mary Magdalene,
Can you show us where he said that, please?
I posted the speech earlier, just go back and look for it. If I feel
like it I will post it again, just not now.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
then went ahead to
bless him with someone in the UC. Jesus of all people, deserved to
get what He wanted.
What makes you think that you know he didn't?
Because anyone in the UC knows who was blessed to Jesus. When did you
join, last week? She is unable to have children, and she is in a
wheel chair. During the 1800 couples I think.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
I mean SMM gave into many, many other requests.
In the 1800 blessing, couples would meet in a room discuss their
future, go to SMM and ask his OK for the blessing. SMM sometimes said
yes, sometimes no.
But Jesus was not good enough, or SMM forgets the lies he tells. That
is the problem with lies, you have to remember them and in which order
they were said.
Post by Eric
Oh, at last, we have a critic who admits the truth. Rev. Moon
doesn't
just insist that people match only with whom he chooses.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Danny
Yes, blame it on the spell checker. Needing one is a sign of a poor
education.
You are so full of it. But lets see, I graduated from a continuation
school. The kind that people rode Harleys to. The kind of school
which said over the intercom, "I know you kids are smoking marijuana
during baseball please stop that!" Then, after I got sober, long time
ago, I went back to school and have a 4.0 GPA. Graduating with a 4.0
too. Just because I can't type, means nothing in the intelligence
field. Especially, since English is my second language you twit.
Eric
2005-07-07 00:57:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by DanInsane&Mad
"Eric" >> >
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Lies and deceit? Lets see.
SMM said, "I am sure you have heard from some of my speeches after the
Washington Monument rally that now the time has come for the entire
spirit world to cooperate. It is ready to come down to assist our
movement. As you know on Cotober 4, 1976, I declared the Day of the
Victory of Heaven dawned, and the barriers between religions in the
spirit world have literally been broken down. Unity was formed and
spirits are really assaulting the earth. This phenomenon is happening
in various ways."
And so it is and proceeds apace.
Is there any proof of the spirits mingling with us humans, like in
Ghost Busters, maybe a Giant Marshmallow Puffy will show up and we
will all be amazed?
Spoken like a true materialist.

But we knew that already, when you said that all spiritual experience
is a figment of your imagination that was caused by your faith.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Does us mean that Islam, Hindus, and Christians were going to start
getting along?????
Very good. Are you sure you aren't still a member?
I've noticed an increase in violence between those groups, world wide.
No getting along there.
There has also been an increase in interchange and dialog. It is a part
of the process.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Post by Eric
I am sure that we can all relate more stories of the Holocaust. Thanks
for sharing.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Blessing Hitler before every Jew that he murdered was blessed is just
plain wrong, with no common sense.
There is such a thing as Justice, and by blessing Hitler, no justice
is served.
Very good. It is forgiveness and grace. What forgiveness do you think
his victims need?
Post by DanInsane&Mad
He (Hitler), is just headline material. It is also an
insult to all people. What about Dahmer? Is he next? How about
Judas, he should be before Hitler. There is such a big deal, within
the UC, about which blessing a person belongs to, that doing Hitler in
the order he was blessed, puts him above many people within the UC
socially. Like the 36 Blessed Couples, compared to the bigger
blessings.
Matt 20:1-16  "For the Kingdom of Heaven is like a man who was the
master of a household, who went out early in the morning to hire
laborers for his vineyard.  When he had agreed with the laborers for a
denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard. He went out about the
third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace. To them he
said, ŒYou also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give
you.¹ So they went their way. Again he went out about the sixth and the
ninth hour, and did likewise. About the eleventh hour he went out, and
found others standing idle. He said to them, ŒWhy do you stand here all
day idle?¹ "They said to him, ŒBecause no one has hired us.¹ "He said
to them, ŒYou also go into the vineyard, and you will receive whatever
is right.¹ When evening had come, the lord of the vineyard said to his
steward, ŒCall the laborers and pay them their wages, beginning from
the last to the first.¹ "When those who were hired at about the
eleventh hour came, they each received a denarius.  When the first
came, they supposed that they would receive more; and they likewise
each received a denarius. When they received it, they murmured against
the master of the household, saying, ŒThese last have spent one hour,
and you have made them equal to us, who have borne the burden of the
day and the scorching heat!¹ "But he answered one of them, ŒFriend, I
am doing you no wrong. Didn¹t you agree with me for a denarius? Take
that which is yours, and go your way. It is my desire to give to this
last just as much as to you. Isn¹t it lawful for me to do what I want
to with what I own? Or is your eye evil, because I am good?¹ So the
last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few
are chosen."
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Post by Eric
Blessing Hitler demonstrated that God's love and grace is all
encompassing. That is a profound statement and realization. Some people
still don't seem to get it.
It shows that SMM has no concept of justice. No compassion to the
people still alive who were in the death camps.
Surely he does. The compassion for those already in spirit world has
already been explained to you, but you don't wish to discuss it, just
keep making your Chatty Kathy propaganda statement.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
By the way, SMM asked for the controversy of taking away kids from
their families. He had many leave collages in the middle of there
semester. He had leaders that ordered people not to talk to their
parents. Boonville refused parents the right to see their
children.
Other Centers also refused visitors. I recall doing that in NY
myself.
So? He didn't ask for it, that is just the nature of things. That is
why Jesus said it would happen. One wonders why you are surprised.
This following paragraph is a total *non sequitur* having no
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Did you notice how the US Govt blamed and imprisoned SMM on tax
charges? I am sure he never touched the money. He never fundraised
the money, nor did he do the books. He is not that kind of leader.
Good, so you recognize that it was unjust to imprison him. Thank you
for admitting that.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
But the Government blamed him and sent him and Kamiyama to Prison.
No, they made trumped up charges on the basis of a tax bill that
99.999% of other people in similar situations just are asked to pay,
they pay it and there is no civil or criminal court proceeding.

In that trial, they sifted through thousands of pages of depositions of
questions and answers done through sloppy government translators months
apart, and found small discrepancies they magnified to pretend-show an
attempt to hide. They took documents that we told them were
reconstructions of missing data done years after the fact and brought
in witnesses to prove that the paper and ink proved they were done
years after the fact to pretend-show that they were forgeries, when the
reality is that this is what is done when data is lost. It is usually
and commonly accepted.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Likewise, when horrific things happen in the UC, he is at fault.
I am sure that he feels responsibility but saying that he directly
commits these acts is very different. He, like God, is dependent on the
personal responsibility of others being fulfilled.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
When
people died fundraising, SMM is at fault. When I was beaten and in a
wheel chair, it was SMM's fault.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
He taught that Jesus was not God,
Do you honestly think he is?
Do you really give a care of what I believe?
Other than for you to admit that you don't so that your using this as a
point to attack Rev. Moon makes you a fat hypocrite.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
and had failed His mission.
Only according to the DP, UC, and SMM, and you of course. But for
one, there never was an Adam and Eve, but I do believe there was a
Jesus, who got crucified.
On what evidence. You are looking for evidence of the spirit world.
Let's start here. What evidence do you have that Jesus actually
existed?
Post by DanInsane&Mad
He went, in the unwritten years, visited
some far away monasteries. But the proof in their writings. And they
have millions upon millions of writings, scrolled up, and hopefully
not burned by the communists.
Wow, pretty amazing belief system. On what evidence?
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Last I heard the Monastery is still there. If I was rich, I would
translate each of those scrolls.
Post by Eric
He taught that Jesus' mission is dependent on fulfillment of human
responsibility. I know that you have a hard time believing in
responsibility. But it is reality nonetheless.
Like Hyo Jins responsibilities, and SMM responsibilities, as well as
your responsibilities?
Spoken like an (un)true friend of Bill W. I see that you have learned
nothing at AA.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
He also
said he would bless Jesus with Mary Magdalene,
Can you show us where he said that, please?
I posted the speech earlier, just go back and look for it. If I feel
like it I will post it again, just not now.
I read what you posted. Nothing you posted has Rev. Moon saying that he
would bless Jesus to Mary Magdalene nor that she was supposed to be his
wife.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
then went ahead to
bless him with someone in the UC. Jesus of all people, deserved to
get what He wanted.
What makes you think that you know he didn't?
Because anyone in the UC knows who was blessed to Jesus. When did you
join, last week? She is unable to have children, and she is in a
wheel chair. During the 1800 couples I think.
So what makes you think that Jesus did not get what he wanted?

You are pretty much making up the details of this though.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
I mean SMM gave into many, many other requests.
In the 1800 blessing, couples would meet in a room discuss their
future, go to SMM and ask his OK for the blessing. SMM sometimes said
yes, sometimes no.
But Jesus was not good enough, or SMM forgets the lies he tells. That
is the problem with lies, you have to remember them and in which order
they were said.
Again, you are presuming to talk for Jesus, who lives in a spirit world
you have already said you don't believe in.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Post by Eric
Oh, at last, we have a critic who admits the truth. Rev. Moon doesn't
just insist that people match only with whom he chooses.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Danny
Yes, blame it on the spell checker. Needing one is a sign of a poor
education.
You are so full of it. But lets see, I graduated from a continuation
school. The kind that people rode Harleys to. The kind of school
which said over the intercom, "I know you kids are smoking marijuana
during baseball please stop that!" Then, after I got sober, long time
ago, I went back to school and have a 4.0 GPA. Graduating with a 4.0
too. Just because I can't type, means nothing in the intelligence
field. Especially, since English is my second language you twit.
Euro spells and speaks better English than you and he/she/it/whatevver
has never lived in the states nor attended school here most of his life
like you have.

You make a lot of excuses and blame a lot of other folks, but you never
take responsibility.
DanDPHistorian
2005-07-12 03:17:48 UTC
Permalink
"Eric"
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
"Eric" >> >
Is there any proof of the spirits mingling with us humans, like in
Ghost Busters, maybe a Giant Marshmallow Puffy will show up and we
will all be amazed?
Spoken like a true materialist.
That is a pointless answer. You have no proof because there is none,
compared to in Jesus' day when spirits did arise.
Post by Eric
But we knew that already, when you said that all spiritual
experience
is a figment of your imagination that was caused by your faith.
Why do you lie, when you quote me? I never said figment of my
imagination. Get it together idiot.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
I've noticed an increase in violence between those groups, world wide.
No getting along there.
There has also been an increase in interchange and dialog. It is a part
of the process.
Interchange is a two way street, look at London as we speak! They
should die for what they did.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
There is such a thing as Justice, and by blessing Hitler, no
justice
is served.
Very good. It is forgiveness and grace. What forgiveness do you think
his victims need?
If the DP has any truth to it, would be the obvious, original sin!
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
He (Hitler), is just headline material. It is also an
insult to all people. What about Dahmer? Is he next? How about
Judas, he should be before Hitler. There is such a big deal,
within
the UC, about which blessing a person belongs to, that doing Hitler in
the order he was blessed, puts him above many people within the UC
socially. Like the 36 Blessed Couples, compared to the bigger
blessings.
Matt 20:1-16 "For the Kingdom of Heaven is like a man who was the
master of a household, who went out early in the morning to hire
laborers for his vineyard. When he had agreed with the laborers for
a
denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard. He went out about the
third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace. To them he
said, OYou also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will
give
you.¹ So they went their way. Again he went out about the sixth and the
ninth hour, and did likewise. About the eleventh hour he went out, and
found others standing idle. He said to them, OWhy do you stand here
all
day idle?¹ "They said to him, OBecause no one has hired us.¹ "He
said
to them, OYou also go into the vineyard, and you will receive
whatever
is right.¹ When evening had come, the lord of the vineyard said to his
steward, OCall the laborers and pay them their wages, beginning from
the last to the first.¹ "When those who were hired at about the
eleventh hour came, they each received a denarius. When the first
came, they supposed that they would receive more; and they likewise
each received a denarius. When they received it, they murmured
against
the master of the household, saying, OThese last have spent one
hour,
and you have made them equal to us, who have borne the burden of the
day and the scorching heat!¹ "But he answered one of them, OFriend,
I
am doing you no wrong. Didn¹t you agree with me for a denarius? Take
that which is yours, and go your way. It is my desire to give to this
last just as much as to you. Isn¹t it lawful for me to do what I want
to with what I own? Or is your eye evil, because I am good?¹ So the
last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few
are chosen."
I have a speech in which the lecturer says that some early members
were refused the blessing because of the sins they had committed.
Show this one to SMM because he needs to practice it within the UC.
We are also talking about Hitler, where does he fit in this story.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Post by Eric
Blessing Hitler demonstrated that God's love and grace is all
encompassing. That is a profound statement and realization. Some people
still don't seem to get it.
It shows that SMM has no concept of justice. No compassion to the
people still alive who were in the death camps.
Surely he does. The compassion for those already in spirit world has
already been explained to you, but you don't wish to discuss it, just
keep making your Chatty Kathy propaganda statement.
That is right, you cant chew gum and walk at the same time, sorry I
forgot.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
By the way, SMM asked for the controversy of taking away kids from
their families. He had many leave collages in the middle of there
semester. He had leaders that ordered people not to talk to their
parents. Boonville refused parents the right to see their
children.
Other Centers also refused visitors. I recall doing that in NY
myself.
So? He didn't ask for it, that is just the nature of things. That is
why Jesus said it would happen. One wonders why you are
surprised.
This following paragraph is a total *non sequitur* having no
That must be a new word to you, like using it so much. Chew slowly,
and walk slowly you can do it.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Did you notice how the US Govt blamed and imprisoned SMM on tax
charges? I am sure he never touched the money. He never
fundraised
the money, nor did he do the books. He is not that kind of leader.
Good, so you recognize that it was unjust to imprison him. Thank you
for admitting that.
Cant you comprehend what you read? I never said it was unjust to
imprison him, never ever.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
But the Government blamed him and sent him and Kamiyama to Prison.
No, they made trumped up charges on the basis of a tax bill that
99.999% of other people in similar situations just are asked to pay,
they pay it and there is no civil or criminal court proceeding.
In that trial, they sifted through thousands of pages of depositions of
questions and answers done through sloppy government translators months
apart, and found small discrepancies they magnified to pretend-show an
attempt to hide. They took documents that we told them were
reconstructions of missing data done years after the fact and
brought
in witnesses to prove that the paper and ink proved they were done
years after the fact to pretend-show that they were forgeries, when the
reality is that this is what is done when data is lost. It is
usually
and commonly accepted.
What goes around comes around.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Likewise, when horrific things happen in the UC, he is at fault.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
He taught that Jesus was not God,
Do you honestly think he is?
Do you really give a care of what I believe?
Other than for you to admit that you don't so that your using this as a
point to attack Rev. Moon makes you a fat hypocrite.
How do you formulate your reasoning? Do you use a black ball and
shake it for your answers? I never said I admit that Jesus was not
God? And failed his mission?
Post by Eric
Here, Danny replies with a *non sequitur* to a point he made
Breath in and slowly breath out. Take a step, chew. You can do it, I
think.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Only according to the DP, UC, and SMM, and you of course. But for
one, there never was an Adam and Eve, but I do believe there was a
Jesus, who got crucified.
On what evidence. You are looking for evidence of the spirit world.
Let's start here. What evidence do you have that Jesus actually
existed?
The evidence is stored up in the Catholic Church, more than likely in
the Vatican. Where is your evidence of Adam and Eve?

I have to go, no time the queen is waiting.

Danny.
Eric
2005-07-13 17:02:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by DanInsane&Mad
"Eric"
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
"Eric" >> >
Is there any proof of the spirits mingling with us humans, like in
Ghost Busters, maybe a Giant Marshmallow Puffy will show up and we
will all be amazed?
Spoken like a true materialist.
That is a pointless answer. You have no proof because there is none,
compared to in Jesus' day when spirits did arise.
So now you play it off by pretending to believe in spiritual
interaction with humans but only in Jesus' time, because
God just changes the way the universe works all willy nilly when He
feels like it.

Thanks Danny, that isn't the way God works, but it is interesting to
watch how you work.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Post by Eric
But we knew that already, when you said that all spiritual
experience
is a figment of your imagination that was caused by your faith.
Why do you lie, when you quote me? I never said figment of my
imagination. Get it together idiot.
You are quibbling.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
I've noticed an increase in violence between those groups, world wide.
No getting along there.
There has also been an increase in interchange and dialog. It is a part
of the process.
Interchange is a two way street, look at London as we speak! They
should die for what they did.
Who should die, Danny?
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
There is such a thing as Justice, and by blessing Hitler, no justice
is served.
Very good. It is forgiveness and grace. What forgiveness do you think
his victims need?
If the DP has any truth to it, would be the obvious, original sin!
It is forgiveness and grace. That's the point.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
He (Hitler), is just headline material. It is also an
insult to all people. What about Dahmer? Is he next? How about
Judas, he should be before Hitler. There is such a big deal, within
the UC, about which blessing a person belongs to, that doing Hitler in
the order he was blessed, puts him above many people within the UC
socially. Like the 36 Blessed Couples, compared to the bigger
blessings.
Matt 20:1-16 "For the Kingdom of Heaven is like a man who was the
master of a household, who went out early in the morning to hire
laborers for his vineyard. When he had agreed with the laborers for
a
denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard. He went out about the
third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace. To them he
said, OYou also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will
give
you.¹ So they went their way. Again he went out about the sixth and the
ninth hour, and did likewise. About the eleventh hour he went out, and
found others standing idle. He said to them, OWhy do you stand here
all
day idle?¹ "They said to him, OBecause no one has hired us.¹ "He
said
to them, OYou also go into the vineyard, and you will receive
whatever
is right.¹ When evening had come, the lord of the vineyard said to his
steward, OCall the laborers and pay them their wages, beginning from
the last to the first.¹ "When those who were hired at about the
eleventh hour came, they each received a denarius. When the first
came, they supposed that they would receive more; and they likewise
each received a denarius. When they received it, they murmured against
the master of the household, saying, OThese last have spent one
hour,
and you have made them equal to us, who have borne the burden of the
day and the scorching heat!¹ "But he answered one of them, OFriend,
I
am doing you no wrong. Didn¹t you agree with me for a denarius? Take
that which is yours, and go your way. It is my desire to give to this
last just as much as to you. Isn¹t it lawful for me to do what I want
to with what I own? Or is your eye evil, because I am good?¹ So the
last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few
are chosen."
I have a speech in which the lecturer says that some early members
were refused the blessing because of the sins they had committed.
But got it later.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Show this one to SMM because he needs to practice it within the UC.
We are also talking about Hitler, where does he fit in this story.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Post by Eric
Blessing Hitler demonstrated that God's love and grace is all
encompassing. That is a profound statement and realization. Some people
still don't seem to get it.
It shows that SMM has no concept of justice. No compassion to the
people still alive who were in the death camps.
Surely he does. The compassion for those already in spirit world has
already been explained to you, but you don't wish to discuss it, just
keep making your Chatty Kathy propaganda statement.
That is right, you cant chew gum and walk at the same time, sorry I
forgot.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
By the way, SMM asked for the controversy of taking away kids from
their families. He had many leave collages in the middle of there
semester. He had leaders that ordered people not to talk to their
parents. Boonville refused parents the right to see their children.
Other Centers also refused visitors. I recall doing that in NY
myself.
So? He didn't ask for it, that is just the nature of things. That is
why Jesus said it would happen. One wonders why you are
surprised.
This following paragraph is a total *non sequitur* having no
That must be a new word to you, like using it so much. Chew slowly,
and walk slowly you can do it.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Did you notice how the US Govt blamed and imprisoned SMM on tax
charges? I am sure he never touched the money. He never
fundraised
the money, nor did he do the books. He is not that kind of leader.
Good, so you recognize that it was unjust to imprison him. Thank you
for admitting that.
Cant you comprehend what you read? I never said it was unjust to
imprison him, never ever.
Surely you did. You may not realize it, but that is what you said.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
But the Government blamed him and sent him and Kamiyama to Prison.
No, they made trumped up charges on the basis of a tax bill that
99.999% of other people in similar situations just are asked to pay,
they pay it and there is no civil or criminal court proceeding.
In that trial, they sifted through thousands of pages of depositions of
questions and answers done through sloppy government translators months
apart, and found small discrepancies they magnified to pretend-show an
attempt to hide. They took documents that we told them were
reconstructions of missing data done years after the fact and brought
in witnesses to prove that the paper and ink proved they were done
years after the fact to pretend-show that they were forgeries, when the
reality is that this is what is done when data is lost. It is usually
and commonly accepted.
What goes around comes around.
So injustice is justified by (imagined) injustice. I see.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Likewise, when horrific things happen in the UC, he is at fault.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
He taught that Jesus was not God,
Do you honestly think he is?
Do you really give a care of what I believe?
Other than for you to admit that you don't so that your using this as a
point to attack Rev. Moon makes you a fat hypocrite.
How do you formulate your reasoning? Do you use a black ball and
shake it for your answers? I never said I admit that Jesus was not
God? And failed his mission?
I asked you directly. I notice you won't answer. Why? Because you
either have to lie or prove yourself the hypocrite. Now that I point it
out, I expect you will lie.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Post by Eric
Here, Danny replies with a *non sequitur* to a point he made
Breath in and slowly breath out. Take a step, chew. You can do it, I
think.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Only according to the DP, UC, and SMM, and you of course. But for
one, there never was an Adam and Eve, but I do believe there was a
Jesus, who got crucified.
On what evidence. You are looking for evidence of the spirit world.
Let's start here. What evidence do you have that Jesus actually
existed?
The evidence is stored up in the Catholic Church, more than likely in
the Vatican. Where is your evidence of Adam and Eve?
I personally don't know if Adam and Eve were literal beings named Adam
and Eve. i doubt it. The names appear to be the common kinds of names
for legendary figures. The point for me is that the story is useful,
and like the seven days creation story, revealed truth.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
I have to go, no time the queen is waiting.
Danny.
g***@netscape.net
2005-07-07 05:47:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by DanInsane&Mad
"Eric" >> >
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Lies and deceit? Lets see.
SMM said, "I am sure you have heard from some of my speeches after the
Washington Monument rally that now the time has come for the entire
spirit world to cooperate. It is ready to come down to assist our
movement. As you know on Cotober 4, 1976, I declared the Day of the
Victory of Heaven dawned, and the barriers between religions in the
spirit world have literally been broken down. Unity was formed and
spirits are really assaulting the earth. This phenomenon is happening
in various ways."
And so it is and proceeds apace.
Is there any proof of the spirits mingling with us humans, like in
Ghost Busters, maybe a Giant Marshmallow Puffy will show up and we
will all be amazed?
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Does us mean that Islam, Hindus, and Christians were going to start
getting along?????
Very good. Are you sure you aren't still a member?
I've noticed an increase in violence between those groups, world wide.
No getting along there.
You noticed that too huhh? I figure with all the hatemongering
MOON and his church are doing it's bound to have contributed to
it in a major way! And then MOON talks about an apocolyptic battle
that he presides over. You gotta wonder how much HATE that will
have to be generated to pull something like that off to begin with.
And MOON is not only placating it, but stands to profit from it
with the guns that he makes. Nothing like drumming up a little
business, ehh?
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Post by Eric
I am sure that we can all relate more stories of the Holocaust. Thanks
for sharing.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Blessing Hitler before every Jew that he murdered was blessed is just
plain wrong, with no common sense.
There is such a thing as Justice, and by blessing Hitler, no justice
is served. He (Hitler), is just headline material. It is also an
insult to all people. What about Dahmer? Is he next? How about
Judas, he should be before Hitler. There is such a big deal, within
the UC, about which blessing a person belongs to, that doing Hitler in
the order he was blessed, puts him above many people within the UC
socially. Like the 36 Blessed Couples, compared to the bigger
blessings.
Post by Eric
Blessing Hitler demonstrated that God's love and grace is all
encompassing. That is a profound statement and realization. Some people
still don't seem to get it.
It shows that SMM has no concept of justice. No compassion to the
people still alive who were in the death camps.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
By the way, SMM asked for the controversy of taking away kids from
their families. He had many leave collages in the middle of there
semester. He had leaders that ordered people not to talk to their
parents. Boonville refused parents the right to see their
children.
Other Centers also refused visitors. I recall doing that in NY
myself.
So? He didn't ask for it, that is just the nature of things. That is
why Jesus said it would happen. One wonders why you are surprised.
Did you notice how the US Govt blamed and imprisoned SMM on tax
charges? I am sure he never touched the money. He never fundraised
the money, nor did he do the books. He is not that kind of leader.
But the Government blamed him and sent him and Kamiyama to Prison.
Likewise, when horrific things happen in the UC, he is at fault. When
people died fundraising, SMM is at fault. When I was beaten and in a
wheel chair, it was SMM's fault.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
He taught that Jesus was not God,
Do you honestly think he is?
Do you really give a care of what I believe?
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
and had failed His mission.
Only according to the DP, UC, and SMM, and you of course. But for
one, there never was an Adam and Eve, but I do believe there was a
Jesus, who got crucified. He went, in the unwritten years, visited
some far away monasteries. But the proof in their writings. And they
have millions upon millions of writings, scrolled up, and hopefully
not burned by the communists.
Last I heard the Monastery is still there. If I was rich, I would
translate each of those scrolls.
Post by Eric
He taught that Jesus' mission is dependent on fulfillment of human
responsibility. I know that you have a hard time believing in
responsibility. But it is reality nonetheless.
Like Hyo Jins responsibilities, and SMM responsibilities, as well as
your responsibilities?
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
He also
said he would bless Jesus with Mary Magdalene,
Can you show us where he said that, please?
I posted the speech earlier, just go back and look for it. If I feel
like it I will post it again, just not now.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
then went ahead to
bless him with someone in the UC. Jesus of all people, deserved to
get what He wanted.
What makes you think that you know he didn't?
Because anyone in the UC knows who was blessed to Jesus. When did you
join, last week? She is unable to have children, and she is in a
wheel chair. During the 1800 couples I think.
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
I mean SMM gave into many, many other requests.
In the 1800 blessing, couples would meet in a room discuss their
future, go to SMM and ask his OK for the blessing. SMM sometimes said
yes, sometimes no.
But Jesus was not good enough, or SMM forgets the lies he tells. That
is the problem with lies, you have to remember them and in which order
they were said.
Post by Eric
Oh, at last, we have a critic who admits the truth. Rev. Moon doesn't
just insist that people match only with whom he chooses.
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Danny
Yes, blame it on the spell checker. Needing one is a sign of a poor
education.
You are so full of it. But lets see, I graduated from a continuation
school. The kind that people rode Harleys to. The kind of school
which said over the intercom, "I know you kids are smoking marijuana
during baseball please stop that!" Then, after I got sober, long time
ago, I went back to school and have a 4.0 GPA. Graduating with a 4.0
too. Just because I can't type, means nothing in the intelligence
field. Especially, since English is my second language you twit.
Josef Oswald
2005-07-07 12:27:07 UTC
Permalink
Earth-Date: 2005-07-07
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by DanInsane&Mad
"Eric" >> >
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Lies and deceit? Lets see.
SMM said, "I am sure you have heard from some of my speeches after the
Washington Monument rally that now the time has come for the entire
spirit world to cooperate. It is ready to come down to assist our
movement. As you know on Cotober 4, 1976, I declared the Day of the
Victory of Heaven dawned, and the barriers between religions in the
spirit world have literally been broken down. Unity was formed and
spirits are really assaulting the earth. This phenomenon is happening
in various ways."
And so it is and proceeds apace.
Is there any proof of the spirits mingling with us humans, like in
Ghost Busters, maybe a Giant Marshmallow Puffy will show up and we
will all be amazed?
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Does us mean that Islam, Hindus, and Christians were going to start
getting along?????
Very good. Are you sure you aren't still a member?
I've noticed an increase in violence between those groups, world wide.
No getting along there.
You noticed that too huhh? I figure with all the hatemongering
MOON and his church are doing it's bound to have contributed to
it in a major way! And then MOON talks about an apocolyptic battle
that he presides over.
http://www.unification.net/dp96/dp96-1-3.html#Sec2_3
[.....]
What form does this final war between democracy and communism take? It is
primarily a war of ideologies. Indeed, this war will never truly cease
unless a truth emerges which can completely overthrow the ideology of
Marxism-Leninism that is threatening the modern world. Communist ideology
negates religion and promotes the exclusive supremacy of science. Hence,
the new truth which can reconcile religion and science will emerge and
prevail over the communist ideology. It will bring about the unification of
the communist and democratic worlds. The trend of the history of conflict
thus confirms that human history is the providential history to restore the
original, ideal world.

http://www.unification.net/dp96/dp96-2-5.html#Sec3_5
[....]
Through the coming third religious reformation, the democratic world on
God's side will triumph in the ideological war and bring the communist
world on Satan's side to its knees. Then the two worlds will unite into one
Kingdom of Heaven on earth under God.


http://www.unification.net/dp96/dp96-2-5.html#Sec4_4_1

[....]
The First and Second World Wars had the providential purpose of dividing
the globe into the communist world and the democratic world. Afterward, yet
another war must take place to bring about their unification. This conflict
is the Third World War. It is inevitable that the Third World War take
place; however, there are two possible ways it may be fought.

One way to bring Satan's side to surrender is through armed
conflict. However, at the conclusion of the conflict, there should come an
ideal world in which all humanity is to rejoice together. This can never be
built merely by defeating enemies in battle. Afterward, they must be
brought to submission internally, that everyone may be reconciled and
rejoice sincerely from the bottom of their hearts. To accomplish this,
there must come a perfect ideology which can satisfy the desires of the
original nature of all people.

The other way this war may be fought is as a wholly internal, ideological
conflict, without the outbreak of armed hostilities, to bring Satan's world
to submission and unification in a short time. People are rational
beings. Therefore, a perfect, unified world can be established only when
people submit to one another and participate in unification through a
profound reawakening.

By which of these two ways will the Third World War actually be fought? It
depends upon success or failure in carrying out the human portion of
responsibility.

From where will the ideology essential to the resolution of this conflict
and the establishment of the new world come? It surely cannot come out of
the communist world, rooted in the Cain-type view of life, since the
Cain-type view of life opposes the internal aspirations of the original
human nature. Rather, this ideology must arise out of the democratic world,
which is rooted in the Abel-type view of life. Nonetheless, it is a fact of
history that no conventional ideology among those prevailing in the
democratic world can effectively defeat communist ideology. Therefore, a
hitherto unknown ideology will emerge from within the democratic world.

</unquote>

The unification movement is *not* looking forward to a final military
war between the forces of Christ and Anti-Christ.

<snip>

Josef Oswald
--
so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
%
[District Attorneys] learn in District Attorney School that there are
two sure-fire ways to get a lot of favorable publicity:
!
(1) Go down and raid all the lockers in the local high school and
confiscate 53 marijuana cigarettes and put them in a pile and hold
a press conference where you announce that they have a street value
of $850 million. These raids never fail, because ALL high schools,
including brand-new, never-used ones, have at least 53 marijuana
cigarettes in the lockers. As far as anyone can tell, the locker
factory puts them there.
(2) Raid an "adult book store" and hold a press conference where you
announce you are charging the owner with 850 counts of being a
piece of human sleaze. This also never fails, because you always
get a conviction. A juror at a pornography trial is not about to
state for the record that he finds nothing obscene about a movie
where actors engage in sexual activities with live snakes and a
fire extinguisher. He is going to convict the bookstore owner, and
vote for the death penalty just to make sure nobody gets the wrong
impression.
-- Dave Barry, "Pornography"
g***@netscape.net
2005-07-10 03:49:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Josef Oswald
Earth-Date: 2005-07-07
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by DanInsane&Mad
"Eric" >> >
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Lies and deceit? Lets see.
SMM said, "I am sure you have heard from some of my speeches after the
Washington Monument rally that now the time has come for the entire
spirit world to cooperate. It is ready to come down to assist our
movement. As you know on Cotober 4, 1976, I declared the Day of the
Victory of Heaven dawned, and the barriers between religions in the
spirit world have literally been broken down. Unity was formed and
spirits are really assaulting the earth. This phenomenon is happening
in various ways."
And so it is and proceeds apace.
Is there any proof of the spirits mingling with us humans, like in
Ghost Busters, maybe a Giant Marshmallow Puffy will show up and we
will all be amazed?
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Does us mean that Islam, Hindus, and Christians were going to start
getting along?????
Very good. Are you sure you aren't still a member?
I've noticed an increase in violence between those groups, world wide.
No getting along there.
You noticed that too huhh? I figure with all the hatemongering
MOON and his church are doing it's bound to have contributed to
it in a major way! And then MOON talks about an apocolyptic battle
that he presides over.
http://www.unification.net/dp96/dp96-1-3.html#Sec2_3
[.....]
What form does this final war between democracy and communism take? It is
primarily a war of ideologies.
What WAR of ideologies has NOT resulted in a physical war? Further more
you seem to be neglecting the amount of HATE necessary to be generated
for such a war? Furthermoree, I would like to point out that since the
inception of the Unification Church of 50 years ago such HATE has
expanded, it hasn't decreased at all!

Go figure..
Josef Oswald
2005-07-10 12:12:26 UTC
Permalink
Earth-Date: 2005-07-10
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Josef Oswald
Earth-Date: 2005-07-07
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by DanInsane&Mad
"Eric" >> >
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Lies and deceit? Lets see.
SMM said, "I am sure you have heard from some of my speeches after the
Washington Monument rally that now the time has come for the entire
spirit world to cooperate. It is ready to come down to assist our
movement. As you know on Cotober 4, 1976, I declared the Day of the
Victory of Heaven dawned, and the barriers between religions in the
spirit world have literally been broken down. Unity was formed and
spirits are really assaulting the earth. This phenomenon is happening
in various ways."
And so it is and proceeds apace.
Is there any proof of the spirits mingling with us humans, like in
Ghost Busters, maybe a Giant Marshmallow Puffy will show up and we
will all be amazed?
Post by Eric
Post by DanInsane&Mad
Does us mean that Islam, Hindus, and Christians were going to start
getting along?????
Very good. Are you sure you aren't still a member?
I've noticed an increase in violence between those groups, world wide.
No getting along there.
You noticed that too huhh? I figure with all the hatemongering
MOON and his church are doing it's bound to have contributed to
it in a major way! And then MOON talks about an apocolyptic battle
that he presides over.
http://www.unification.net/dp96/dp96-1-3.html#Sec2_3
[.....]
What form does this final war between democracy and communism take? It is
primarily a war of ideologies.
What WAR of ideologies has NOT resulted in a physical war?
The point escapes you (which by and large is not surprising for a
"simple-minded" fella as yourself): there was no *world-wide* war
between democracy and *communism*! Yes there were *localized* fighting,
mostly civil-war and then of course Vietnam, but even in that fight, the
forces were not made up of soldiers of many different nations. We are
now in the process to *embrace* the people of the former communist
nations, well West-Germany united with East-Germany *peacefully* and
there was *always* a ideological war going on between them, the west
trying to *influence* the people living behind the *iron curtain* trough
radio and later trough television, people in east-germany could tell from
the antennas on the roof on houses if some-one was watching West-TV the
story goes!


<quote>

http://www.rferl.org/about/organization/history.asp

A Long, Distinguished, and Complicated History

Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty has a long and distinguished history, but
it has been anything but a simple one.

Free Europe, Inc., was established in 1949 as nonprofit, private
corporation to broadcast news and current affairs programs to Eastern
European countries behind the Iron Curtain. The Radio Liberty Committee,
Inc., was created two years later along the same lines to broadcast to the
nations inside the Soviet Union.

</unqote>
Post by g***@netscape.net
Further more you seem to be neglecting the amount of HATE necessary to
be generated for such a war?
I have posted *many* times that members of the UM and myself *are* *NOT*
looking *forward* to WW-III, it's people like your fellow critic
Martin B. who call for it.
Post by g***@netscape.net
Furthermoree, I would like to point out that since the
inception of the Unification Church of 50 years ago such HATE has
expanded, it hasn't decreased at all!
Above in the first sentence you said there was not enough Hate yet for a
war, while in the next you say hate didn't decrease, so then the level
of hate remained the same?

LOL do you wanna *blame* this on the UM? Protestant and Catholic
Christians who didn't give a damn about Rev.Moon were *blowing* each
other apart in North-Ireland in the 1970's, will you lay the blame for
their *hate* of each other on the doorsteps of the UM?

Yet members of the UM were the *recipient* of hatred by *Christians* who
were told by their Lord to *love* their *enemies*. The fact is we have
learned to see all people as God's son and daughters, even if they don't
believe in a God.
Post by g***@netscape.net
Go figure..
Your logic is really the one of a simple-minded dude.
Josef Oswald
--
so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
%
Fortune Documents the Great Legal Decisions:
!
We think that we may take judicial notice of the fact that the term "bitch"
may imply some feeling of endearment when applied to a female of the canine
species but that it is seldom, if ever, so used when applied to a female
of the human race. Coming as it did, reasonably close on the heels of two
revolver shots directed at the person of whom it was probably used, we think
it carries every reasonable implication of ill-will toward that person.
-- Smith v. Moran, 193 N.E. 2d 466.
g***@netscape.net
2005-07-10 16:59:12 UTC
Permalink
Thank God for the simple minded, lest the whole world be assimilated
into MOON's schemes.
Post by Josef Oswald
Earth-Date: 2005-07-10
Your disrespect, malice, and contempt are extremely obvious to *me*!


<snip>

GIGO
Josef Oswald
2005-07-10 18:14:35 UTC
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Earth-Date: 2005-07-10
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Josef Oswald
Earth-Date: 2005-07-10
Your disrespect, malice, and contempt are extremely obvious to *me*!
You really think *YOU* would be in the same league as the *great* Saint
Boniface, who BTW happens to be a Catholic, who also *perpetrated* the
teachings of the popes, teachings *you* now call LIES....
Neither could one compare you with the *Pope* Boniface, again another
RC, who passed on (by you so-called) LIES.

But if indeed that's what they *really* did (passing on LIES), then you
didn't stray very far away from them, then of course *YOU* SHOULD wear
the badge (LIAR) proudly.
Post by g***@netscape.net
<snip>
GIGO
Thank God for the simple minded, lest the whole world be assimilated
into MOON's schemes.
*Your* simple-mindedness didn't *prevent* you from being a follower for
15+ years even if it were only from the sidelines...


<quote>

From ***@netscape.net Wed Jul 6 14:27:28 2005
Date: 5 Jul 2005 22:21:39 -0700
Message-ID: <***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>

<snip>

MOON reminds me of him. And -you- are just one of his many witless
zombies. It's hard to admit -you- were conned, it was hard for *me*
to admit it.

<snip>

</unqoute>
Josef Oswald
--
so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
%
Humor in the Court:
Q. Doctor, did you say he was shot in the woods?
A. No, I said he was shot in the lumbar region.
g***@netscape.net
2005-07-10 19:26:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Josef Oswald
Earth-Date: 2005-07-10
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Josef Oswald
Earth-Date: 2005-07-10
Your disrespect, malice, and contempt are extremely obvious to *me*!
You really think *YOU* would be in the same league as the *great* Saint
Boniface, who BTW happens to be a Catholic, who also *perpetrated* the
teachings of the popes, teachings *you* now call LIES....
Neither could one compare you with the *Pope* Boniface, again another
RC, who passed on (by you so-called) LIES.
Yer crazy, and don't even know what -you- talk about either. The
Boniface
in question NEVER became Pope, he slaughtered many men and stoned
many women all in the name of *his* religious beliefs.

Yer psycho master moon gave me that name to contact in spiritworld.
That was moon's first mistake, his second was when he asked *me*
to contact his own brother, whom he claimed was *crazy* simply because
his brother didn't believe moon was the *messiah* any more than me!

In the meantime -you- wanna pretend yer obvious malice, contempt, and
disrespect is NOT aimed at ME!

*moonies* sheesh..
Post by Josef Oswald
But if indeed that's what they *really* did (passing on LIES), then you
didn't stray very far away from them, then of course *YOU* SHOULD wear
the badge (LIAR) proudly.
Post by g***@netscape.net
<snip>
GIGO
Thank God for the simple minded, lest the whole world be assimilated
into MOON's schemes.
*Your* simple-mindedness didn't *prevent* you from being a follower for
15+ years even if it were only from the sidelines...
Follower? Nope, not *me*.. ..I left to find my own way.. ..I didn't
"follow" ANYbody.
Post by Josef Oswald
<quote>
Date: 5 Jul 2005 22:21:39 -0700
<snip>
MOON reminds me of him. And -you- are just one of his many witless
zombies. It's hard to admit -you- were conned, it was hard for *me*
to admit it.
Believing and following are two seperate things. I also believed in
the fellow who sold me a lemon of a car, until I found out what a lemon
it was that is.

Now leave *me* alone *moonie*.. ..quit antagonizing *me*!
Post by Josef Oswald
<snip>
</unqoute>
Josef Oswald
--
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
%
Q. Doctor, did you say he was shot in the woods?
A. No, I said he was shot in the lumbar region.
Josef Oswald
2005-07-10 20:37:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Josef Oswald
Post by g***@netscape.net
Your disrespect, malice, and contempt are extremely obvious to *me*!
You really think *YOU* would be in the same league as the *great*
Saint Boniface, who BTW happens to be a Catholic, who also
*perpetrated* the teachings of the popes, teachings *you* now call
LIES.... Neither could one compare you with the *Pope* Boniface,
again another RC, who passed on (by you so-called) LIES.
Yer crazy, and don't even know what -you- talk about either. The
Boniface in question NEVER became Pope, he slaughtered many men and
stoned many women all in the name of *his* religious beliefs.
I can see why *that* would be a very fitting *screen-name* for you,
sure glad you can't act upon it, but who knows given the chance you will
live up to this legacy?

And if you had *carefully* read my previous reply, then you would have
seen that *I* *mention* *two* Boniface, *both* were RC.
Post by g***@netscape.net
Yer psycho master moon gave me that name to contact in spiritworld.
Which psycho master *your* talking about? You can't even be *original*
you just parrot what my dear older brother Rob(r)(b)oy has been saying.

So if you weren't involved with the UM. how could it be that Rev.Moon had
*personal* contact with you?
Post by g***@netscape.net
That was moon's first mistake, his second was when he asked *me*
to contact his own brother, whom he claimed was *crazy* simply because
his brother didn't believe moon was the *messiah* any more than me!
In the meantime -you- wanna pretend yer obvious malice, contempt, and
disrespect is NOT aimed at ME!
Like I said, *you* are certainly no ST.Boniface Pope or otherwise....

Show some *respect* Dude and *YOU* WILL get it,

<snip>




Josef Oswald
--
so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
%
Humor in the Court:
Q: Are you qualified to give a urine sample?
A: Yes, I have been since early childhood.
Eric
2005-07-11 00:22:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Josef Oswald
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Josef Oswald
Post by g***@netscape.net
Your disrespect, malice, and contempt are extremely obvious to *me*!
You really think *YOU* would be in the same league as the *great*
Saint Boniface, who BTW happens to be a Catholic, who also
*perpetrated* the teachings of the popes, teachings *you* now call
LIES.... Neither could one compare you with the *Pope* Boniface,
again another RC, who passed on (by you so-called) LIES.
Yer crazy, and don't even know what -you- talk about either. The
Boniface in question NEVER became Pope, he slaughtered many men and
stoned many women all in the name of *his* religious beliefs.
I can see why *that* would be a very fitting *screen-name* for you,
sure glad you can't act upon it, but who knows given the chance you will
live up to this legacy?
And if you had *carefully* read my previous reply, then you would have
seen that *I* *mention* *two* Boniface, *both* were RC.
Post by g***@netscape.net
Yer psycho master moon gave me that name to contact in spiritworld.
Here Bruce lies. He received this and decided he was the channel for
St. Boniface to work on the Earth again, through his affiliation with a
group of spiritualists that were quickly seen as going off on a tangent
from the Divine Principle. Bruce, the one who loved and channeled the
Boniface that slaughtered so many, to the point of taking on his name,
never got any direction from Rev. Moon, he got it from Randy Erpelding.
Post by Josef Oswald
Which psycho master *your* talking about? You can't even be *original*
you just parrot what my dear older brother Rob(r)(b)oy has been saying.
So if you weren't involved with the UM. how could it be that Rev.Moon had
*personal* contact with you?
Post by g***@netscape.net
That was moon's first mistake, his second was when he asked *me*
to contact his own brother, whom he claimed was *crazy* simply because
his brother didn't believe moon was the *messiah* any more than me!
In the meantime -you- wanna pretend yer obvious malice, contempt, and
disrespect is NOT aimed at ME!
Like I said, *you* are certainly no ST.Boniface Pope or otherwise....
Show some *respect* Dude and *YOU* WILL get it,
<snip>
Josef Oswald
g***@netscape.net
2005-07-11 00:59:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Eric
Post by Josef Oswald
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Josef Oswald
Post by g***@netscape.net
Your disrespect, malice, and contempt are extremely obvious to *me*!
You really think *YOU* would be in the same league as the *great*
Saint Boniface, who BTW happens to be a Catholic, who also
*perpetrated* the teachings of the popes, teachings *you* now call
LIES.... Neither could one compare you with the *Pope* Boniface,
again another RC, who passed on (by you so-called) LIES.
Yer crazy, and don't even know what -you- talk about either. The
Boniface in question NEVER became Pope, he slaughtered many men and
stoned many women all in the name of *his* religious beliefs.
I can see why *that* would be a very fitting *screen-name* for you,
sure glad you can't act upon it, but who knows given the chance you will
live up to this legacy?
And if you had *carefully* read my previous reply, then you would have
seen that *I* *mention* *two* Boniface, *both* were RC.
Post by g***@netscape.net
Yer psycho master moon gave me that name to contact in spiritworld.
Here Bruce lies. He received this and decided he was the channel for
St. Boniface to work on the Earth again, through his affiliation with a
group of spiritualists that were quickly seen as going off on a tangent
from the Divine Principle. Bruce, the one who loved and channeled the
Boniface that slaughtered so many, to the point of taking on his name,
never got any direction from Rev. Moon, he got it from Randy Erpelding.
Hehh, well ya got part of it right! It was a LIE alright.. ..of MOON's
and
I simply caught him in it!
Post by Eric
Post by Josef Oswald
Which psycho master *your* talking about? You can't even be *original*
you just parrot what my dear older brother Rob(r)(b)oy has been saying.
So if you weren't involved with the UM. how could it be that Rev.Moon had
*personal* contact with you?
Post by g***@netscape.net
That was moon's first mistake, his second was when he asked *me*
to contact his own brother, whom he claimed was *crazy* simply because
his brother didn't believe moon was the *messiah* any more than me!
In the meantime -you- wanna pretend yer obvious malice, contempt, and
disrespect is NOT aimed at ME!
Like I said, *you* are certainly no ST.Boniface Pope or otherwise....
Show some *respect* Dude and *YOU* WILL get it,
<snip>
Josef Oswald
g***@netscape.net
2005-07-11 01:14:21 UTC
Permalink
It was a LIE of the same caliber as Black Hyueng Jin, the DC Prayer
sisters, and the proclamations by the Dead Presidents. It was ALL
MOON's doing to begin
with, and MOON he simply washes his hands of it, when it's convenient.
Proving -you- simply can't trust the man they call Reverand Sun Myung
Moon!
He will hang ya out to dry as soon as he is done *ab-using* you.
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Eric
Post by Josef Oswald
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Josef Oswald
Post by g***@netscape.net
Your disrespect, malice, and contempt are extremely obvious to *me*!
You really think *YOU* would be in the same league as the *great*
Saint Boniface, who BTW happens to be a Catholic, who also
*perpetrated* the teachings of the popes, teachings *you* now call
LIES.... Neither could one compare you with the *Pope* Boniface,
again another RC, who passed on (by you so-called) LIES.
Yer crazy, and don't even know what -you- talk about either. The
Boniface in question NEVER became Pope, he slaughtered many men and
stoned many women all in the name of *his* religious beliefs.
I can see why *that* would be a very fitting *screen-name* for you,
sure glad you can't act upon it, but who knows given the chance you will
live up to this legacy?
And if you had *carefully* read my previous reply, then you would have
seen that *I* *mention* *two* Boniface, *both* were RC.
Post by g***@netscape.net
Yer psycho master moon gave me that name to contact in spiritworld.
Here Bruce lies. He received this and decided he was the channel for
St. Boniface to work on the Earth again, through his affiliation with a
group of spiritualists that were quickly seen as going off on a tangent
from the Divine Principle. Bruce, the one who loved and channeled the
Boniface that slaughtered so many, to the point of taking on his name,
never got any direction from Rev. Moon, he got it from Randy Erpelding.
Hehh, well ya got part of it right! It was a LIE alright.. ..of MOON's
and
I simply caught him in it!
Post by Eric
Post by Josef Oswald
Which psycho master *your* talking about? You can't even be *original*
you just parrot what my dear older brother Rob(r)(b)oy has been saying.
So if you weren't involved with the UM. how could it be that Rev.Moon had
*personal* contact with you?
Post by g***@netscape.net
That was moon's first mistake, his second was when he asked *me*
to contact his own brother, whom he claimed was *crazy* simply because
his brother didn't believe moon was the *messiah* any more than me!
In the meantime -you- wanna pretend yer obvious malice, contempt, and
disrespect is NOT aimed at ME!
Like I said, *you* are certainly no ST.Boniface Pope or otherwise....
Show some *respect* Dude and *YOU* WILL get it,
<snip>
Josef Oswald
Josef Oswald
2005-07-11 14:01:15 UTC
Permalink
Earth-Date: 2005-07-11
Post by g***@netscape.net
It was a LIE of the same caliber as Black Hyueng Jin, the DC Prayer
sisters, and the proclamations by the Dead Presidents. It was ALL
MOON's doing to begin
You are *wrong* as usual. The messages from Spirit wold were not
conveyed trough Rev.Moon, but trough a Medium, Rev.Moon just *confirmed
it and we should use it as *witnessing* tool.


http://www.messagesfromspiritworld.info/

[....]

These spiritual testimonies were conveyed through two chosen individuals,
one working in heaven and the other reporting to people on the
earth. Dr. Sung Han Lee, who passed into the spirit world in 1997, is best
known for his critique and counterproposal to Marxism-Leninism that was
widely disseminated around the world during the Cold War era. A tireless
teacher of God s truth, Dr. Lee educated countless atheists and believers
of various religions. Young Soon Kim is graced with the gifts of spiritual
hearing and spiritual sight. While in the Spirit she is able to record
Dr. Lee s narrative for earthly people to read.

</unqote>
Post by g***@netscape.net
with, and MOON he simply washes his hands of it, when it's convenient.
Proving -you- simply can't trust the man they call Reverand Sun Myung
Moon!
He will hang ya out to dry as soon as he is done *ab-using* you.
The *only* abuse I see is by you and others like yourself.


<snip>
Josef Oswald
--
so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
%
And then there was the lawyer that stepped in cow manure and thought
he was melting...
%
Another day, another dollar.
-- Vincent J. Fuller, defense lawyer for John Heckler,
upon Hinckley's acquittal for shooting President Ronald
Reagan.
Eric
2005-07-11 14:44:55 UTC
Permalink
You are a fringe hanger on. The DC sisters and the Randy Erpelding
channeling saints crowd are just two examples of a number of fringe
groups. Rev. Moon never had anything to do with them. Rather than pay
attention to the people that could have taught you, you went off on a
tangent, just like you do with Judaism and Christianity.
Post by g***@netscape.net
It was a LIE of the same caliber as Black Hyueng Jin, the DC Prayer
sisters, and the proclamations by the Dead Presidents. It was ALL
MOON's doing to begin
with, and MOON he simply washes his hands of it, when it's convenient.
Proving -you- simply can't trust the man they call Reverand Sun Myung
Moon!
He will hang ya out to dry as soon as he is done *ab-using* you.
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Eric
Post by Josef Oswald
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Josef Oswald
Post by g***@netscape.net
Your disrespect, malice, and contempt are extremely obvious to *me*!
You really think *YOU* would be in the same league as the *great*
Saint Boniface, who BTW happens to be a Catholic, who also
*perpetrated* the teachings of the popes, teachings *you* now call
LIES.... Neither could one compare you with the *Pope* Boniface,
again another RC, who passed on (by you so-called) LIES.
Yer crazy, and don't even know what -you- talk about either. The
Boniface in question NEVER became Pope, he slaughtered many men and
stoned many women all in the name of *his* religious beliefs.
I can see why *that* would be a very fitting *screen-name* for you,
sure glad you can't act upon it, but who knows given the chance you will
live up to this legacy?
And if you had *carefully* read my previous reply, then you would have
seen that *I* *mention* *two* Boniface, *both* were RC.
Post by g***@netscape.net
Yer psycho master moon gave me that name to contact in spiritworld.
Here Bruce lies. He received this and decided he was the channel for
St. Boniface to work on the Earth again, through his affiliation with a
group of spiritualists that were quickly seen as going off on a tangent
from the Divine Principle. Bruce, the one who loved and channeled the
Boniface that slaughtered so many, to the point of taking on his name,
never got any direction from Rev. Moon, he got it from Randy Erpelding.
Hehh, well ya got part of it right! It was a LIE alright.. ..of MOON's
and
I simply caught him in it!
Post by Eric
Post by Josef Oswald
Which psycho master *your* talking about? You can't even be *original*
you just parrot what my dear older brother Rob(r)(b)oy has been saying.
So if you weren't involved with the UM. how could it be that Rev.Moon had
*personal* contact with you?
Post by g***@netscape.net
That was moon's first mistake, his second was when he asked *me*
to contact his own brother, whom he claimed was *crazy* simply because
his brother didn't believe moon was the *messiah* any more than me!
In the meantime -you- wanna pretend yer obvious malice, contempt, and
disrespect is NOT aimed at ME!
Like I said, *you* are certainly no ST.Boniface Pope or otherwise....
Show some *respect* Dude and *YOU* WILL get it,
<snip>
Josef Oswald
g***@netscape.net
2005-07-11 15:58:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Eric
You are a fringe hanger on. The DC sisters and the Randy Erpelding
channeling saints crowd are just two examples of a number of fringe
groups. Rev. Moon never had anything to do with them. Rather than pay
attention to the people that could have taught you, you went off on a
tangent, just like you do with Judaism and Christianity.
Hehh, that's a laugh.. ..you are insinuating that all the fringe
groups in MOON's Church were created by little ole *me*.

HAHAHAHA, get yer head out of yer ass, fella.. ..NObody does ANYthing
in
MOON's skism without MOON's OK on it. Erpelding was meeting with MOON
once every month on the subject. NOT that -you- would know, cause -you-
were not there to begin with. BY yer own admission, MOON's religion is
just one BIG FAT LIE, and skism to begin with. Filled with NOTHING but
liars and *crazy* talking.. ..well I knew that, which is why I left
to begin with.
Post by Eric
Post by g***@netscape.net
It was a LIE of the same caliber as Black Hyueng Jin, the DC Prayer
sisters, and the proclamations by the Dead Presidents. It was ALL
MOON's doing to begin
with, and MOON he simply washes his hands of it, when it's convenient.
Proving -you- simply can't trust the man they call Reverand Sun Myung
Moon!
He will hang ya out to dry as soon as he is done *ab-using* you.
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Eric
Post by Josef Oswald
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Josef Oswald
Post by g***@netscape.net
Your disrespect, malice, and contempt are extremely obvious to
*me*!
You really think *YOU* would be in the same league as the *great*
Saint Boniface, who BTW happens to be a Catholic, who also
*perpetrated* the teachings of the popes, teachings *you* now call
LIES.... Neither could one compare you with the *Pope* Boniface,
again another RC, who passed on (by you so-called) LIES.
Yer crazy, and don't even know what -you- talk about either. The
Boniface in question NEVER became Pope, he slaughtered many men and
stoned many women all in the name of *his* religious beliefs.
I can see why *that* would be a very fitting *screen-name* for you,
sure glad you can't act upon it, but who knows given the chance you will
live up to this legacy?
And if you had *carefully* read my previous reply, then you would have
seen that *I* *mention* *two* Boniface, *both* were RC.
Post by g***@netscape.net
Yer psycho master moon gave me that name to contact in spiritworld.
Here Bruce lies. He received this and decided he was the channel for
St. Boniface to work on the Earth again, through his affiliation with a
group of spiritualists that were quickly seen as going off on a tangent
from the Divine Principle. Bruce, the one who loved and channeled the
Boniface that slaughtered so many, to the point of taking on his name,
never got any direction from Rev. Moon, he got it from Randy Erpelding.
Hehh, well ya got part of it right! It was a LIE alright.. ..of MOON's
and
I simply caught him in it!
Post by Eric
Post by Josef Oswald
Which psycho master *your* talking about? You can't even be *original*
you just parrot what my dear older brother Rob(r)(b)oy has been saying.
So if you weren't involved with the UM. how could it be that Rev.Moon had
*personal* contact with you?
Post by g***@netscape.net
That was moon's first mistake, his second was when he asked *me*
to contact his own brother, whom he claimed was *crazy* simply because
his brother didn't believe moon was the *messiah* any more than me!
In the meantime -you- wanna pretend yer obvious malice, contempt, and
disrespect is NOT aimed at ME!
Like I said, *you* are certainly no ST.Boniface Pope or otherwise....
Show some *respect* Dude and *YOU* WILL get it,
<snip>
Josef Oswald
Josef Oswald
2005-07-11 16:45:11 UTC
Permalink
Earth-Date: 2005-07-11
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Eric
You are a fringe hanger on. The DC sisters and the Randy Erpelding
channeling saints crowd are just two examples of a number of fringe
groups. Rev. Moon never had anything to do with them. Rather than pay
attention to the people that could have taught you, you went off on a
tangent, just like you do with Judaism and Christianity.
Hehh, that's a laugh.. ..you are insinuating that all the fringe
groups in MOON's Church were created by little ole *me*.
HAHAHAHA, get yer head out of yer ass, fella.. ..NObody does ANYthing
in
MOON's skism without MOON's OK on it. Erpelding was meeting with MOON
once every month on the subject. NOT that -you- would know, cause -you-
were not there to begin with. BY yer own admission, MOON's religion is
just one BIG FAT LIE,
When did Eric *admit* it? The only admissions I see here is:
You were involved with a fringe group, and that you were to some
*degree* a member who had personal contact with Rev.Moon, otherwise how
could he tell you to search for his *brother* .

Well that you were a *faithful* believer one for that is proof on the
net, unless of course you were already a liar and pretend to be a
*faithful* follower. I know some people did that too, pretending to be
faithful....



http://www.tparents.org/Library/Unification/Talks/Dubuque/Dubuque-TrueMate.htm

Reflections on Courting the True Mate

Bruce Daniel D.
August 9, 1999

The Blessing is a wonderful and True Ideal, that For the sake of
Heavenly Father, True Parents dispenses to the moral, and loving People
of earth. Without Heavenly Father none of this would be possible, Him
being the Center of Love, and the Father of all Creation.

True Parents are the Authors and the Foundation upon which the Blessing
is being passed onto Man. In whom Heavenly Father has placed his Trust,
that the Blessing may be received by as many as are moral and loving of
Him (Heavenly Father).

It is the responsibility of every individual who receives the Blessing
to return, reverence, respect, and love to Heavenly Father, as well as
to share that reverence, respect and love with all of creation,
including all of mankind.

Each individual must be pure in motivation, and direction as they Lead
their lives in Principle. Once this is accomplished Heavenly Father will
present us with the right Mate at the right time, We may follow our
Hearts Desire in this Matter, or we may ask True Father to match us. In
either case it is the purity of our offering to Heavenly Father through
the True Parents that is the single most important issue in the Offering
of ourselves to be Blessed. We must seek the Heart of Offering, and
Never the Heart of Demanding in order to be Cruelly Blessed. If our
Heart is True, and our Faith is strong enough, our Mate may be right in
front of our eye's, right where Heavenly Father put them for us to find.
No searching will be necessary, it will become quite obvious in our life
of Faith.

Once We are Blessed our lives then become one, in the Love and Heart of
God. What we do with that blessing is fully our responsibility (Bride
and Groom). We can either keep it to ourselves and Hide it away, and let
it shrink and Die, or we can do what was intended, that we share it with
Heavenly Father, True Parents, Brothers and Sisters, and even the rest
of the World, starting with our own home, our own back yard, and our own
community ("Home Church") We should stand in the position that every
community is our home community, and we will always do the utmost to
share our Blessing where ever we may go together (Bride and Groom). Then
it will be easy to perceive our "Home Nation", and become a True Patriot
for Heaven.

The Heart of Heavenly Father, is one of a reciprocal nature. We should
develop reciprocal True Love relationship with Heavenly Father, True
Parents, and the Rest of the world through our reciprocal True Love
relationship with our mates. True Love is as that of a True Child of
Goodness, always loving, never rejecting; always giving, never
complaining; always serving, never demanding.

The Blessing in it's most simple form is the seed of True Love. Let it
grow.

There is no place like Home. Home is where the Heart is!

Wishing many Blessings for all, with all my love.

</unquote>

The first time I read this I had tears in my eyes because I was that
moved, it was when I didn't know it was you, (only after I came to ARU
did I found out) Well, Bruce you can't blame anybody else but yourself
when you later realize that you tossed out the greatest gift God could
reveal to you, namely *who* the Messiah is.
Josef Oswald
--
so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
%
Fortune's Law of the Week (this week, from Kentucky):
No female shall appear in a bathing suit at any airport in this
State unless she is escorted by two officers or unless she is armed
with a club. The provisions of this statute shall not apply to females
weighing less than 90 pounds nor exceeding 200 pounds, nor shall it
apply to female horses.
g***@netscape.net
2005-07-11 18:20:23 UTC
Permalink
You are simply deluded is all, just like I once was.
OH well..
Post by Josef Oswald
Earth-Date: 2005-07-11
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Eric
You are a fringe hanger on. The DC sisters and the Randy Erpelding
channeling saints crowd are just two examples of a number of fringe
groups. Rev. Moon never had anything to do with them. Rather than pay
attention to the people that could have taught you, you went off on a
tangent, just like you do with Judaism and Christianity.
Hehh, that's a laugh.. ..you are insinuating that all the fringe
groups in MOON's Church were created by little ole *me*.
HAHAHAHA, get yer head out of yer ass, fella.. ..NObody does ANYthing
in
MOON's skism without MOON's OK on it. Erpelding was meeting with MOON
once every month on the subject. NOT that -you- would know, cause -you-
were not there to begin with. BY yer own admission, MOON's religion is
just one BIG FAT LIE,
You were involved with a fringe group, and that you were to some
*degree* a member who had personal contact with Rev.Moon, otherwise how
could he tell you to search for his *brother* .
Well that you were a *faithful* believer one for that is proof on the
net, unless of course you were already a liar and pretend to be a
*faithful* follower. I know some people did that too, pretending to be
faithful....
http://www.tparents.org/Library/Unification/Talks/Dubuque/Dubuque-TrueMate.htm
Reflections on Courting the True Mate
Bruce Daniel D.
August 9, 1999
The Blessing is a wonderful and True Ideal, that For the sake of
Heavenly Father, True Parents dispenses to the moral, and loving People
of earth. Without Heavenly Father none of this would be possible, Him
being the Center of Love, and the Father of all Creation.
True Parents are the Authors and the Foundation upon which the Blessing
is being passed onto Man. In whom Heavenly Father has placed his Trust,
that the Blessing may be received by as many as are moral and loving of
Him (Heavenly Father).
It is the responsibility of every individual who receives the Blessing
to return, reverence, respect, and love to Heavenly Father, as well as
to share that reverence, respect and love with all of creation,
including all of mankind.
Each individual must be pure in motivation, and direction as they Lead
their lives in Principle. Once this is accomplished Heavenly Father will
present us with the right Mate at the right time, We may follow our
Hearts Desire in this Matter, or we may ask True Father to match us. In
either case it is the purity of our offering to Heavenly Father through
the True Parents that is the single most important issue in the Offering
of ourselves to be Blessed. We must seek the Heart of Offering, and
Never the Heart of Demanding in order to be Cruelly Blessed. If our
Heart is True, and our Faith is strong enough, our Mate may be right in
front of our eye's, right where Heavenly Father put them for us to find.
No searching will be necessary, it will become quite obvious in our life
of Faith.
Once We are Blessed our lives then become one, in the Love and Heart of
God. What we do with that blessing is fully our responsibility (Bride
and Groom). We can either keep it to ourselves and Hide it away, and let
it shrink and Die, or we can do what was intended, that we share it with
Heavenly Father, True Parents, Brothers and Sisters, and even the rest
of the World, starting with our own home, our own back yard, and our own
community ("Home Church") We should stand in the position that every
community is our home community, and we will always do the utmost to
share our Blessing where ever we may go together (Bride and Groom). Then
it will be easy to perceive our "Home Nation", and become a True Patriot
for Heaven.
The Heart of Heavenly Father, is one of a reciprocal nature. We should
develop reciprocal True Love relationship with Heavenly Father, True
Parents, and the Rest of the world through our reciprocal True Love
relationship with our mates. True Love is as that of a True Child of
Goodness, always loving, never rejecting; always giving, never
complaining; always serving, never demanding.
The Blessing in it's most simple form is the seed of True Love. Let it
grow.
There is no place like Home. Home is where the Heart is!
Wishing many Blessings for all, with all my love.
</unquote>
The first time I read this I had tears in my eyes because I was that
moved, it was when I didn't know it was you, (only after I came to ARU
did I found out) Well, Bruce you can't blame anybody else but yourself
when you later realize that you tossed out the greatest gift God could
reveal to you, namely *who* the Messiah is.
Josef Oswald
--
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
%
No female shall appear in a bathing suit at any airport in this
State unless she is escorted by two officers or unless she is armed
with a club. The provisions of this statute shall not apply to females
weighing less than 90 pounds nor exceeding 200 pounds, nor shall it
apply to female horses.
Josef Oswald
2005-07-11 20:11:37 UTC
Permalink
Top-posting by Bruce moved to the end of my last reply :-)

Earth-Date: 2005-07-11
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Josef Oswald
Earth-Date: 2005-07-11
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Eric
You are a fringe hanger on. The DC sisters and the Randy Erpelding
channeling saints crowd are just two examples of a number of fringe
groups. Rev. Moon never had anything to do with them. Rather than pay
attention to the people that could have taught you, you went off on a
tangent, just like you do with Judaism and Christianity.
Hehh, that's a laugh.. ..you are insinuating that all the fringe
groups in MOON's Church were created by little ole *me*.
HAHAHAHA, get yer head out of yer ass, fella.. ..NObody does ANYthing
in
MOON's skism without MOON's OK on it. Erpelding was meeting with MOON
once every month on the subject. NOT that -you- would know, cause -you-
were not there to begin with. BY yer own admission, MOON's religion is
just one BIG FAT LIE,
You were involved with a fringe group, and that you were to some
*degree* a member who had personal contact with Rev.Moon, otherwise how
could he tell you to search for his *brother* .
Well that you were a *faithful* believer one for that is proof on the
net, unless of course you were already a liar and pretend to be a
*faithful* follower. I know some people did that too, pretending to be
faithful....
http://www.tparents.org/Library/Unification/Talks/Dubuque/Dubuque-TrueMate.htm
Reflections on Courting the True Mate
Bruce Daniel D.
August 9, 1999
The Blessing is a wonderful and True Ideal, that For the sake of
Heavenly Father, True Parents dispenses to the moral, and loving People
of earth. Without Heavenly Father none of this would be possible, Him
being the Center of Love, and the Father of all Creation.
True Parents are the Authors and the Foundation upon which the Blessing
is being passed onto Man. In whom Heavenly Father has placed his Trust,
that the Blessing may be received by as many as are moral and loving of
Him (Heavenly Father).
It is the responsibility of every individual who receives the Blessing
to return, reverence, respect, and love to Heavenly Father, as well as
to share that reverence, respect and love with all of creation,
including all of mankind.
Each individual must be pure in motivation, and direction as they Lead
their lives in Principle. Once this is accomplished Heavenly Father will
present us with the right Mate at the right time, We may follow our
Hearts Desire in this Matter, or we may ask True Father to match us. In
either case it is the purity of our offering to Heavenly Father through
the True Parents that is the single most important issue in the Offering
of ourselves to be Blessed. We must seek the Heart of Offering, and
Never the Heart of Demanding in order to be Cruelly Blessed. If our
Heart is True, and our Faith is strong enough, our Mate may be right in
front of our eye's, right where Heavenly Father put them for us to find.
No searching will be necessary, it will become quite obvious in our life
of Faith.
Once We are Blessed our lives then become one, in the Love and Heart of
God. What we do with that blessing is fully our responsibility (Bride
and Groom). We can either keep it to ourselves and Hide it away, and let
it shrink and Die, or we can do what was intended, that we share it with
Heavenly Father, True Parents, Brothers and Sisters, and even the rest
of the World, starting with our own home, our own back yard, and our own
community ("Home Church") We should stand in the position that every
community is our home community, and we will always do the utmost to
share our Blessing where ever we may go together (Bride and Groom). Then
it will be easy to perceive our "Home Nation", and become a True Patriot
for Heaven.
The Heart of Heavenly Father, is one of a reciprocal nature. We should
develop reciprocal True Love relationship with Heavenly Father, True
Parents, and the Rest of the world through our reciprocal True Love
relationship with our mates. True Love is as that of a True Child of
Goodness, always loving, never rejecting; always giving, never
complaining; always serving, never demanding.
The Blessing in it's most simple form is the seed of True Love. Let it
grow.
There is no place like Home. Home is where the Heart is!
Wishing many Blessings for all, with all my love.
</unquote>
The first time I read this I had tears in my eyes because I was that
moved, it was when I didn't know it was you, (only after I came to ARU
did I found out) Well, Bruce you can't blame anybody else but yourself
when you later realize that you tossed out the greatest gift God could
reveal to you, namely *who* the Messiah is.
You are simply deluded is all, just like I once was.
No you are, after *you* left you just don't know it..... while I never was.
Martin Boyd is a sad example where real delusions can lead one.....
8 years ago he was a very outspoken person, but he mad some sense, now
he seem to have lost it, I'm afraid you're heading the same direction.

You claim that Jesus talks, walks with you, yet you expressed your
heartfelt desire to convert to Judaism, you lost your place, don't know
where you belong to, I'm really worried if those of the sign of a healthy
person....
Post by g***@netscape.net
OH well..
Josef Oswald
--
so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
%
Humor in the Court:
Q. What is your brother-in-law's name?
A. Borofkin.
Q. What's his first name?
A. I can't remember.
Q. He's been your brother-in-law for years, and you can't remember his first
name?
A. No. I tell you I'm too excited. (Rising from the witness chair and
pointing to Mr. Borofkin.) Nathan, for God's sake, tell them your first
name!
g***@netscape.net
2005-07-11 23:59:24 UTC
Permalink
Hehh, -you- have NO idea what -you- are even talking about.

Martin Boyd altho somewhat disturbed by it all, and rightfully
so, is right on the money as hard as *his* words are to swallow.

You haven't a clue, the *mother* don't even talk to -you-, cause
"father" MOON rules yer world!

Ya'll *moonies* will get yers, what goes around comes around. Yer just
flunkies of a false prophet is all. OH well..
Post by Josef Oswald
Top-posting by Bruce moved to the end of my last reply :-)
Earth-Date: 2005-07-11
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Josef Oswald
Earth-Date: 2005-07-11
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Eric
You are a fringe hanger on. The DC sisters and the Randy Erpelding
channeling saints crowd are just two examples of a number of fringe
groups. Rev. Moon never had anything to do with them. Rather than pay
attention to the people that could have taught you, you went off on a
tangent, just like you do with Judaism and Christianity.
Hehh, that's a laugh.. ..you are insinuating that all the fringe
groups in MOON's Church were created by little ole *me*.
HAHAHAHA, get yer head out of yer ass, fella.. ..NObody does ANYthing
in
MOON's skism without MOON's OK on it. Erpelding was meeting with MOON
once every month on the subject. NOT that -you- would know, cause -you-
were not there to begin with. BY yer own admission, MOON's religion is
just one BIG FAT LIE,
You were involved with a fringe group, and that you were to some
*degree* a member who had personal contact with Rev.Moon, otherwise how
could he tell you to search for his *brother* .
Well that you were a *faithful* believer one for that is proof on the
net, unless of course you were already a liar and pretend to be a
*faithful* follower. I know some people did that too, pretending to be
faithful....
http://www.tparents.org/Library/Unification/Talks/Dubuque/Dubuque-TrueMate.htm
Reflections on Courting the True Mate
Bruce Daniel D.
August 9, 1999
The Blessing is a wonderful and True Ideal, that For the sake of
Heavenly Father, True Parents dispenses to the moral, and loving People
of earth. Without Heavenly Father none of this would be possible, Him
being the Center of Love, and the Father of all Creation.
True Parents are the Authors and the Foundation upon which the Blessing
is being passed onto Man. In whom Heavenly Father has placed his Trust,
that the Blessing may be received by as many as are moral and loving of
Him (Heavenly Father).
It is the responsibility of every individual who receives the Blessing
to return, reverence, respect, and love to Heavenly Father, as well as
to share that reverence, respect and love with all of creation,
including all of mankind.
Each individual must be pure in motivation, and direction as they Lead
their lives in Principle. Once this is accomplished Heavenly Father will
present us with the right Mate at the right time, We may follow our
Hearts Desire in this Matter, or we may ask True Father to match us. In
either case it is the purity of our offering to Heavenly Father through
the True Parents that is the single most important issue in the Offering
of ourselves to be Blessed. We must seek the Heart of Offering, and
Never the Heart of Demanding in order to be Cruelly Blessed. If our
Heart is True, and our Faith is strong enough, our Mate may be right in
front of our eye's, right where Heavenly Father put them for us to find.
No searching will be necessary, it will become quite obvious in our life
of Faith.
Once We are Blessed our lives then become one, in the Love and Heart of
God. What we do with that blessing is fully our responsibility (Bride
and Groom). We can either keep it to ourselves and Hide it away, and let
it shrink and Die, or we can do what was intended, that we share it with
Heavenly Father, True Parents, Brothers and Sisters, and even the rest
of the World, starting with our own home, our own back yard, and our own
community ("Home Church") We should stand in the position that every
community is our home community, and we will always do the utmost to
share our Blessing where ever we may go together (Bride and Groom). Then
it will be easy to perceive our "Home Nation", and become a True Patriot
for Heaven.
The Heart of Heavenly Father, is one of a reciprocal nature. We should
develop reciprocal True Love relationship with Heavenly Father, True
Parents, and the Rest of the world through our reciprocal True Love
relationship with our mates. True Love is as that of a True Child of
Goodness, always loving, never rejecting; always giving, never
complaining; always serving, never demanding.
The Blessing in it's most simple form is the seed of True Love. Let it
grow.
There is no place like Home. Home is where the Heart is!
Wishing many Blessings for all, with all my love.
</unquote>
The first time I read this I had tears in my eyes because I was that
moved, it was when I didn't know it was you, (only after I came to ARU
did I found out) Well, Bruce you can't blame anybody else but yourself
when you later realize that you tossed out the greatest gift God could
reveal to you, namely *who* the Messiah is.
You are simply deluded is all, just like I once was.
No you are, after *you* left you just don't know it..... while I never was.
Martin Boyd is a sad example where real delusions can lead one.....
8 years ago he was a very outspoken person, but he mad some sense, now
he seem to have lost it, I'm afraid you're heading the same direction.
You claim that Jesus talks, walks with you, yet you expressed your
heartfelt desire to convert to Judaism, you lost your place, don't know
where you belong to, I'm really worried if those of the sign of a healthy
person....
Post by g***@netscape.net
OH well..
Josef Oswald
--
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
%
Q. What is your brother-in-law's name?
A. Borofkin.
Q. What's his first name?
A. I can't remember.
Q. He's been your brother-in-law for years, and you can't remember his first
name?
A. No. I tell you I'm too excited. (Rising from the witness chair and
pointing to Mr. Borofkin.) Nathan, for God's sake, tell them your first
name!
Josef Oswald
2005-07-12 18:12:53 UTC
Permalink
Earth-Date: 2005-07-12
in MSG-id: <***@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

<snip>
Post by g***@netscape.net
Ya'll *moonies* will get yers, what goes around comes around. Yer just
flunkies of a false prophet is all. OH well..
The *concept* of a false prophet is also a NT *warning* it was supposedly
spoken by Jesus, for the *end-times* and *you* told us that the NT is
*fraudulent*, so why then do *you believe* a *fraudulent* warning?

<snip>

Josef Oswald
--
so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
%
Humor in the Court:
Q: So, after the anesthesia, when you came out of it, what did you observe
with respect to your scalp?
A: I didn't see my scalp the whole time I was in the hospital.
Q: It was covered?
A: Yes, bandaged.
Q: Then, later on.. what did you see?
A: I had a skin graft. My whole buttocks and leg were removed and put on top
of my head.
The Jewish Messiah A Revelation to Humanity.
2005-07-12 18:27:21 UTC
Permalink
Lucifer
www.luciferia.tv
For Anarchist Communism.

For those on alt.religion.unification, who are unfamiliar with Josef
Oswald <***@pure_joy_gods.love> note that he is a propagandist for
the Korean Master racist and anti-Semitic version of the Jewish Messiah
Sun Myung Moon

The Alternative Moon cult Internet Sites (for the global holocaust of
all Moon cultists; 'especially' the women and children.).

http://www.luciferia.tv/internetsites/moon/Unification%20Church%20Home%20Page.htm
http://www.luciferia.tv\IndexMoonCultCloudOfWitnesses.htm
Lucifer's response to the Divine Principle:
http://www.luciferia.tv\IndexDivinePrinciple.htm
Essays 2004

Anarchism, Creationism and the World Food Problem.

See www.luciferia.tv/bookoflightlifelawindex.htm

My position on the world food problem on:
http://www.luciferia.tv/index1000yearaquarianrevolution.htm

My positions on Anarchism are on
http://www.luciferia.tv/indexanarchism1.htm

On Liberation Theology / the God of the oppressed, I have a short film
stating my position on:
http://www.luciferia.tv/indexliberationtheology.htm

Light Science, the Arc of the Covenant and the Kabaala (Egyptian
Mystery cultism; an executable offense under the Law by the way).
http://www.luciferia.tv/indexbookoflifelawlight.htm

Lion of Judah Publications: CIA torture schools:
http://www.luciferia.tv/indexlionofjudah.htm

The New City of Jerusalem:
http://www.luciferia.tv/IndexCityofLightNewJerusalem.htm


History of the Jews Part One. Gods of the Egyptian Cults
http://www.luciferia.tv/indexthehistoryofthejewspartonechildrenoftheslaves.htm

Apocalyptic Weapons of the Final War and Holocaust: US Prison Camps,
Underground Bases and Prison Trains for 15 million people.
http://www.luciferia.tv/indexapocalypticweapons.htm


See: http://www.luciferia.tv/IndexBookofRevelation.htm The Revelation
to John. The Final War of The 12 Tribes of Israel. Global Apocalyptic
War. Nuclear, biological and chemical guerrilla war. The fall of the
cities of the First World The 1500 mile square city of glass. The 1000
year agricultural revolution.

Anti-Monarchy Site:
http://www.luciferia.tv/OfficialWhoreOfBabylonSiteLilithWindsor/ExecuteTheMonarchyWhoreOfBabylon.htm


http://www.luciferia.tv/IndexSeal2TheSerpentandtheFall.htm

http://www.luciferia.tv/IndexProtocolsOftheLearnedEldersOfZionCommentary.htm

[See my web page on the Aquarian / Hydroponic Revolution.
[link=http://www.luciferia.tv\essays\1000YearAquaRevolution.htm
newwindow]www.luciferia.tv\essays\1000YearAquaRevolution.htm[/link]

Lucifer.
www.luciferia.tv
Execute the Useless Eaters. Feed the Children.
None are free till all are free.
The 1000 Year Agricultural Revolution.
____________
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____________


The Moon cult, the CIA & the Neo-Nazis.
DEATH, TORTURE, RAPE, MURDER, CASTRATION IN BOLIVIA

By Robert Parry. www.consortiumnews.com
R obert Parry is a veteran investigative reporter, who broke many of
the
Iran-contra stories in the 1980s for The Associated Press and Newsweek.

." On July 17, (1981) the Cocaine Coup began, spearheaded by Klaus
Barbie and his
neo-fascist goon squad dubbed Fiancés of Death. "The masked thugs were
not
Bolivians; they spoke Spanish with German, French and Italian accents,"
Levine wrote. "Their uniforms bore neither national identification nor
any
markings, although many of them wore Nazi swastika armbands and
insignias."
The slaughter was fierce. When the putschists stormed the national
labour
headquarters, they wounded labour leader Marcelo Quiroga, who had led
the
effort to indict former military dictator Hugo Banzer on drug and
corruption
charges. Quiroga "was dragged off to police headquarters to be the
object of
a game played by some of the torture experts imported from Argentina's
dreaded Mechanic School of the Navy," Levine wrote. "These experts
applied
their 'science' to Quiroga as a lesson to the Bolivians, who were a
little
backward in such matters. They kept Quiroga alive and suffering for
hours.
His castrated, tortured body was found days later in a place called
'The
valley of the Moon' in southern La Paz." Women captives were gang-raped
as
part of their torture. To Levine back in Buenos Aires, it was soon
clear
"that the primary goal of the revolution was the protection and control
of
Bolivia's cocaine industry. All major drug traffickers in prison were
released, after which they joined the neo-Nazis in their rampage.
Government
buildings were invaded and trafficker files were either carried off or
burned. Government employees were tortured and shot, the women tied and
repeatedly raped by the paramilitaries and the freed traffickers." The
fascists celebrated with swastikas and shouts of "Heil Hitler!" Hermann
reported. Col. Arce-Gomez, a central-casting image of a bemedaled,
pot-bellied Latin dictator, grabbed broad powers as Interior Minister.
Gen.
Luis Garcia Meza was installed as Bolivia's new president. Among the
first
well-wishers arriving in La Paz to congratulate the new government was
Moon's top lieutenant, Bo Hi Pak (KCIA). The Moon organization
published a
photo of Pak meeting with Gen. Garcia Meza. After the visit to the
mountainous capital, Pak declared, "I have erected a throne for Father
Moon
in the world's highest city."
According to later Bolivian government and newspaper reports, a Moon
representative invested about $4 million in preparations for the coup.
Bolivia's WACL representatives also played key roles, and CAUSA, one of
Moon's anti-communist organizations, listed as members nearly all the
leading Bolivian coup-makers. [CAIB, Winter 1986].. As the drug lords
consolidated their power in Bolivia, the Moon organization expanded its
presence, too. Hermann reported that in early 1981, war criminal Barbie
and
Moon leader Thomas Ward were often seen together in apparent prayer.
Mingolla, the Argentine intelligence officer, described Ward as his CIA
paymaster, with the $1,500 monthly salary coming from the CAUSA office
of
Ward's representative. [CAIB, Winter 1986].. ..On May 31, 1981, Moon
representatives sponsored a CAUSA reception at the Sheraton Hotel's
Hall of
Freedom in La Paz. Bo Hi Pak and Garcia Meza led a prayer for President
Reagan's recovery from an assassination attempt. In his speech, Bo Hi
Pak
declared, "God had chosen the Bolivian people in the heart of South
America
as the ones to conquer communism." According to a later Bolivian
intelligence report, the Moon organization sought to recruit an "armed
church" of Bolivians, with about 7,000 Bolivians receiving some
paramilitary
training

__________________________________________________

Widow Pays Church to End Husband's 'Suffering in Hell'
By Kevin Sullivan
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, August 4, 1996; Page A30


Tsuko Nakajima was about 40 when her husband died of heart disease in
February 1988, leaving her with a young daughter to raise. During her
grieving, a neighbor stopped by to offer her condolences.

According to her lawyers and court documents, this is what followed:

The neighbor was a member of the Unification Church, but did not
mention
that at the time. She suggested going to an art show to take Nakajima's
mind
off her tragedy. At the show, she persuaded the widow to pay about
$2,200
for a painting. It later turned out the painting was purchased from a
company owned by Unification Church members.

Two months later, the church member told Nakajima that a "very famous
teacher" would be speaking nearby and invited her to come hear him.
When the
widow met the teacher, he began crying and trembling. "Your husband is
descending. I can see your husband's body suffering in hell. I cannot
stop
myself from shaking. Your husband is saying he wants you to donate"
$50,000.

When Nakajima resisted, the teacher told her, "If you delay your
answer,
your husband's body suffering in hell will appear to you in your
dreams. You
had better decide soon." Nakajima paid the money.

Several weeks later, the church member and other church members told
her
that her husband was still suffering in hell. They persuaded her to
help him
by purchasing a small holy statue and two pairs of prayer beads for
about
$70,000. She bought a set of signature stamps, commonly used in Japan
instead of a handwritten signature, for another $2,000.

She had turned over a total of about $124,200.

In June 1988, four months after her husband died, Nakajima went with
several
church members to an apartment, where she met a man who appeared to be
praying. He told her: "Your husband is suffering in hell. Your husband
desires [about $500,000]. But your husband says that at the least he
wants
you to donate [about $300,000]."

Nakajima replied that if she paid that much, it would drain the
remainder of
her husband's life insurance payment. She said she needed the money to
send
her daughter to college. She was told that her husband died because of
bad
karma from his ancestors and that if she did not donate, her daughter's
life
would be shortened by the same bad karma.

Fearing that the church members would never leave her alone, Nakajima
relented. She turned over the cash to a church member who told her the
money
would be used in a Unification Church project to build a tunnel between
Japan and South Korea. At a party at a Unification Church to celebrate
her
donation, she received a photograph of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon and his
wife.

In 1989, Nakajima hired lawyers to sue the Unification Church. In
settlements reached with several church members and church-related
companies
in 1991, she recovered the initial $124,200 she had donated.

In May 1994, a district court in Fukuoka prefecture ordered the church
to
pay back Nakajima's $300,000 donation, calling the church's actions
"socially unacceptable." The church appealed, arguing that the widow
had
donated of her own free will and that, even if she had not, the church
could
not be held responsible for the actions of individual followers.

In February, an appellate court upheld the lower court ruling. It said
the
church members were essentially employees of the church and that the
church
was liable for their actions. The church has appealed.

Masuo Oe, chief spokesman for the Unification Church in Japan, said the
church was prepared to give the woman her money back. But he said the
church
contested the case because it believed the court was wrong to hold the
church responsible for the actions of individual members who might have
applied excessive pressure.

Oe said the pressure put on the woman to donate was not as malicious as
she
had described it in her testimony. "However," he said, "I heard she was
deprived of almost all her assets, so I think that was excessive."

Oe said he believes Nakajima donated the money freely, then changed her
mind
and was encouraged to file her suit by lawyers with an anti-Unification
Church agenda.



© Copyright 1996 The Washington Post Company

-------------------------------------------
The Korean Non-Judaic Messiah Sun Myung Moon who apparently considers
all women 'literally' to be his (sexual) brides.

Lucifer.
In London
www.luciferia.tv
For Anarchist Communism.
One. People One Kingdom. One Messiah.
None are free till all are free.
For Apocalyptic War and the Final Holocaust of all Capitalists,
Governmentalists and Religionists.
Execute all Moon cultists and all collaborators.
No mercy or quarter to they who deserve none.

The Tragedy of the Six Mary's" by Chung Hwa Pak. Moon and the 'Pi Ka
Run' 'cleansing of the womb' sex cult allegations

What follows is a description of the early practice of 'Pi Ka Run.'
Korean cult Messiah, Sun Myung Moon is alleged to have had sex with a
great many of the 'sisters' and now prepares all 'sisters' to receive
this practice with his sons and with the Korean leaders of the
movement; Papa (Father) San Choi, founder of the Japanese movement has
confirmed that Moon had sex the sisters of the 36 couple Blessing
including Choi's wife. Moon asks the sisters to love him more than
their husbands or children; Moon wants the sisters of his movement to
love him more than their husbands, whom he refers to as Lucifer,
whereas he is allegedly the true son of God and the anti-Semitic
saviour of the Jews (i.e. the Messiah).


______________________________________________________
The Tragedy of the Six Mary's" by

Chung Hwa Pak.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


THE TRAGEDY OF THE SIX MARYS--A SUMMARY

Mr. Chung Hwa Pak, the man with broken legs who Reverend Sun Myung

Moon and Mr. Won Pil Kim carried and pushed on a bicycle from North

Korea to South Korea, wrote a book, entitled "The Tragedy of the Six

Marys." It is primarily about the purported experiences of Mr. Pak and

others with Rev. Moon in prison and in South Korea in the 1950s. There
are

also references to other periods from the testimonies of Mr. Pak and
three

other former members of the movement.

The book was published in Japan in 1993. It was reprinted four times
that

year. It was available through Japanese language bookstores, though
members

of Moon's cult allegedly bought up many of the remaining copies prior
to

its author being paid to withdraw the book. The following is

simply a summary of some of the stories (of alleged events)

that he wrote about accompanied by a testimony and an interview. This

should not be considered a translation. It was not possible to document
this

summary with footnotes and page numbers from the book. All quotations
are

paraphrased. Most of the stories were simply related verbally and
written

down. The reader has the testimonies of Mr. Pak and the witnesses to
rely on.

There is no photographic evidence of Moon

practicing 'Pi K Rum' with any of the women who were originally 6
women; then 60 women

then just about anyone who joined. However there is a pool of
testimonial evidence.


A representation is made by Korean former members of an unknown,

secret doctrine and practice of the Unification

Movement. Pi Ka Rum takes place with Western members only symbolically
at present.

All females of the Moon cult have been asked to 'love' Moon more than
their husbands and children;

Drinking Moon's semen, blood and other body matter mixed with holy
wine;

however Moon claims that there are many parts of the 'Principle (sic)'
which the world

cannot yet receive and that more will be revealed in the future.


A number of individuals have confirmed the 'Pi Ka Rum' allegations

including Papa San Choi and early National leaders who do not want to
be

named at this time but are known by Mars.

A number of years ago Doris Orme, for example, expressed that

she felt that 'True Mother (sic) had not united with True Father since

'Mother(sic)' did not want 'Father (sic)' to inseminate the female cult
member

that 'Father(sic) had allegedly Blessed (married) to Jesus in the
spirit world.

Ye Jin was also upset about this. Also during a public leaders meeting

Mrs Moon threatened to divorce Moon if he ever has sex with a black
woman.

Both Mrs Moon and Ye Jin Moon are known to be unhappy about Moon's
sexual exploits.

In Moon's daughter in law, Nan Sook Hongs' published book, she claims
that Moon admitted to

her that he had sex for 'providential' reasons with other women. Mrs
Moon is also known to

have thrown Moon's concubine out of East Garden (Moon's $43 million+
home in Tarrytown, NY.)


The Korean woman involved in 'Pi Ka Rum' now believe that they were
deceived into

following Moon. They express strong feelings of guilt, regret and
resentment

regarding the alleged past events they describe.

There are many old captioned photographs of Rev. Moon with early

members in the book. Some of the photos in the book have the person's
eyes

covered with a thin solid bar and many have fictitious names marked
with an

asterisk; obviously Korean woman ho had sex with Moon are now ashamed
and

many do not wish this to be publicly known. the accusations of sexual
rites however

are widespread in Korea since Moon had sex with many of the new female
members to 'cleanse their womb.'.

The same fictitious names are used in the text and can be

referenced to the photos. The fictitious names repeated in this article
are also marked

with an asterisk, though some are relatives of President Eu, the former

President of the Korean Church and these names have not been withheld.

The spelling of all Korean names is only approximate.

Mr. Pak claims that he chose to write this book because the Unification

Church records do not accurately record this time period and that he

therefore wanted to report what he knows before he dies. He also states
that

he will use some of the proceeds from the sale of the book to support
elderly

women, who he claims gave all of their property to the Church in the
early

years and were rejected by their families. He also wanted to apologize
for

participating in activities that caused pain and suffering to those
affected.

Pak was later paid an undisclosed sum, alleged to be between $3million
to $5 million

in order to pull his book and to re-write it denying the allegations,
calling the book

'Apostate.' Pak in later interviews never denied the truth of the
original allegations

but he did state that he did not want to attack Moon, which is
understandable considering

the sums of money involved.


Unknown Divine Principle


Mr. Pak was allegedly both a prisoner and a supervisor in Hung Nam
prison

when he met Rev. Moon. After he met him, Mr. Pak used his position, to

arrange private meetings with Rev. Moon, frequently, for the next year
and

half in the prison. At those meetings, Rev. Moon taught Mr. Pak an
early

version of the Principle. Mr. Pak writes that he later discovered that
much

of the theology, that Rev. Moon was teaching, had been copied from the
ideas

of two other Christian ministers. These two ministers were: Mr. Young
Do

Lee (church unknown) and Mr. Baek Moon Kim of the Israel Church in

South Korea, where Rev. Moon had attended Bible study with his first
wife,

these teachings were based upon revelations from Christian
spiritualists

who would fast and pray and who practiced extreme asceticism.


Ms. Song Gil Choi, beginning in 1945. According to Mr. Pak, Mr. Kim had

written the books, "Theology of Spirituality," and "Basic Principles"
the

contents of which closely match the principles Rev. Moon was teaching.
Mr.

Pak asserts that these writings included the Principles of Creation,
the

Fall, and Restoration.

This has been confirmed by current Korean leaders of Moon's cult who
have

read the originals in Korean, one of whom, admitting that the 'Divine
Principle'

was not Moon's teaching, claimed that 'Father(sic) was the one who made
these teachings famous.


Moon claimed that Christ was to come to Korea and that the Revelations

testified to him. However the prophecies of Nostradamus clearly state
that it

is the antichrist who is to be born in the 'East;' Christ being born
'deep within the heart of

Western Europe, and would appear in 2000.


Mr. Pak describes what he claims was Rev. Moons early teaching about
the

uncompleted mission of Jesus. This is absent from current Unification

doctrine, but an important element during the late 1940s and early
1950s,

according to Mr. Pak. He states that he was taught by Rev. Moon that

because Eve had fallen due to a sexual relationship with Satan, Jesus,
as the

second Adam, was supposed to physically (i.e., sexually) "restore" six

"Marys" (married women) including his mother and five other women

mentioned in the Gospels. Supposedly, Jesus was crucified because he
failed

to accomplish this task, partly due to the failure of his mother (and

others)

to understand his mission. Therefore, a Second Coming of Christ became

necessary. Rev. Moon purportedly told Mr. Pak that this information had

been revealed by the spirit of Jesus, himself.

According to Mr. Pak's description of this alleged early doctrine, the
Second

Messiah, as the third Adam, would first have to fulfil this unfinished
task

of sexually "restoring" six married women. Then he would be able to
choose a

virgin as his bride in the "marriage of the lamb" who would become the
True

Mother of mankind.

Rev. Moon is purported to have told Mr. Pak that this sexual
restoration

process would purify the fallen blood lineage inherited from Satan and

change it to God's blood lineage. According to Mr. Pak, Rev. Moon told
him

that the Six Marys would be able to sexually "restore" men, who would
in

turn "restore" other women, etc. until the entire population of the
world was

restored--by a form of sexual relay. The change of blood lineage would
be

accomplished for each individual through a three stage process, (i.e.
three

acts of sexual intercourse).

Mr. Pak states that he questioned Rev. Moon at length as to the
practicality

of such a plan since extramarital sex is against the laws and moral
standards

of society, and since the Bible refers to fornication and adultery as
sins.

Mr.

Pak claims that Rev. Moon told him that human psychology and societal

ethics would soon liberalize to the extent that extramarital sex,
multiple

sex

partners, and even sex in public would become acceptable. Rev. Moon
also

told him that this course was unavoidable because it was the only way
to

reverse the Fall of Eve, according to Mr. Pak.

Mr. Pak states that a large number of people were taught lectures based
on

this doctrine. Upon agreeing to join, each person purportedly would be

encouraged to have sexual intercourse three times with the person who

invited him/her or (in some cases) with Rev. Moon.

The doctrine of the Six Marys is currently unknown and definitely not

included in the Divine Principle that is published and taught. Mr. Pak
does

not discuss how such a radical change came about. He only indicates
that as

the movement grew larger, it became impractical to practice the
teachings in

the old way.

The Six Marys in the early movement in South Korea

Mr. Pak states that Rev. Moon (as the Second Messiah) selected women to

fill the positions of the Six Marys (considered an honour), but that he

sometimes changed those assignments. Mr. Pak claims that Reverend Moon

also promised various women the position of his bride (True Mother),
but

that these promises were not kept. Mr. Pak purports that the changes in
these

relationships caused severe emotional trauma for some of these
individuals.

Elderly women allegedly sent away

Mr. Pak also tells about various older women (some who had been among

the Six Marys) who he claims were asked to leave the Church center
because

of their age and asked to support themselves, after they had donated
all of

their money, and worked for the Church for many years. In addition many

had been rejected by their families. Mr. Pak asserts that this resulted
in

economic hardship for these women.

Stealing purportedly sanctioned

Rev. Moon was quoted (or paraphrased) by Mr. Pak as allegedly saying
that

"everything in this world originally belonged to God. If you steal
money

from your husband or a bank and donate it to me, so I can use it, it is
not a

sin. God will forgive you."

Name change?

Mr. Pak writes that Rev. Moon's name was originally Yong Myung Moon

which in Chinese characters has the meaning of dragon. Mr. Pak reports
that

because, the dragon is the symbol of Satan in the Bible, Rev. Moon
changed

his name to Sun Myung Moon which changed meaning of his name from

that of a dragon into that of a lamb and a fish (in Chinese
characters).

Another symbolic benefit was that the word sun in English represents
light

(truth) and warmth (energy). Mr. Pak doesn't offer any evidence of the
name

change.

Reverend Moon in North Korea

According to Mr. Pak, Rev. Moon told him the following stories about
his

work in North Korea while they were together in Hung Nam Prison.

Rev. Moon purportedly told Mr. Pak that when he first went to North
Korea,

he met a woman there by the name of Dok Young Chong who told him

about her many spiritual experiences. She believed their meeting had
taken

place by divine guidance. This was the first woman he met in Pyongyang.

They conversed easily and agreed to work together to establish the
"Second

Israel" in Pyongyang. Ms. Chong told Rev. Moon that she was the Holy

Mother because she had had (a dream of having) sex with God. Therefore,
if

Rev. Moon would have sex with her, he then would be in the same
position

as God. Ms. Chong instructed Rev. Moon to have sex with her three
times,

with Rev. Moon on the bottom and her on top. After this alleged sexual

ceremony, she told him that he was qualified to go restore the women of
the

world, according to Mr. Pak's story. Ms. Chong's inspiration
purportedly

matched the revelation that Rev. Moon said he had received from Jesus.

Mr. Pak asserts that Rev. Moon told him that he later met a couple with
three

children who were very interested in his teachings. He allegedly moved
into

their home and shared a room with the wife of the couple, while the
husband

and the children slept in the next room. At this time, early followers
were

having loud prayer meetings at that house and were preparing for the
holy

wedding (of Rev. Moon) that had been predicted. There was a lot of
noise

from these meetings which disturbed the neighbours. They complained to
the

police. Supposedly, these complaints caused the police to begin an

investigation which led to Rev. Moon's arrest and sentencing to five
years in

Hung Nam Prison for adultery and disturbing the peace.

First wife

Mr. Pak writes that when Rev. Moon returned to South Korea after the

Korean War, his first wife, Song Gil Choi and their son, Sung Jin, were

staying with him in the Church center. Mr. Pak claims that Ms. Choi

witnessed her husband participating in sexual activities with other
women

which provoked her anger. Mr. Pak writes that she chased the members
out

of the Church center, and threw their belongings outside.

Mr. Pak writes that the actions of Rev. Moon's first wife caused him to
move

the Church center four times because she repeatedly sought him out and

harassed him and some of the members, before she finally gave up and

divorced him.

Second wife

Mr. Pak said that the woman usually referred to as Rev. Moon's second
wife

was never actually married to him. In the book, she is named Yong Hee*

Kim. She reportedly was a student of Yoon Se University, and was a
virgin

before meeting Rev. Moon.

Mr. Pak states that she had received a gift of money for tuition from
an

American professor which she had asked her aunt to keep safe for her.
When

she went to collect the money, Ms. Kim's aunt told her that she no
longer

had it. The aunt said her church was in dire need of money, so she had

donated it to the Church. Ms. Kim was upset and curious about what kind
of

church this could be. When she went to the Church center to find out,
she

supposedly was persuaded to listen to a lecture by Rev. Moon, staying
until

past midnight. Since there was a curfew, she couldn't return home and
stayed

overnight there. Mr. Pak states that this occurred in December, 1953.

Mr. Pak reports that the members at that time stayed in a one room
house,

with six women on one side of the room and Rev. Moon and Mr. Pak on the

other. Mr. Pak claims that Rev. Moon had already had sex with four of
these

women. He reports that he awakened later that night to the sound of a

woman's voice crying. He writes that he noticed that Ms. Kim had moved
to

where Rev. Moon was sleeping, next to the wall, and that they were
having

sexual intercourse. Mr. Pak writes that Rev. Moon continued the
relationship

with Ms. Kim until she became pregnant. He does not state when this

occurred. He claims that she was secretly sent to Japan on a fishing
boat to

avoid a scandal. Mr. Pak states that Rev. Moon had sent a young male

member, Mr. Sontaek Oh to accompany her. Mr. Pak writes that neither of

them spoke fluent Japanese. Mr. Pak purports that Rev. Moon promised to

forward money for medical assistance in the child's birth and living

expenses, but that the money never arrived. Mr. Oh assisted with the
birth,

but he wasn't prepared and he had to cut the umbilical cord with his
teeth,

according to Mr. Pak.

Mr. Oh then, reportedly, returned from Japan to see Rev. Moon. Mr. Pak

claims that he and seven or eight other people were present, when Mr.
Oh

came to ask Rev. Moon for money to support Ms. Kim and her baby boy in

Japan. Mr. Pak states that Rev. Moon angrily replied, "I don't have
that kind

of money, go find the money yourself." Mr. Pak writes that the other

members present all felt sorry for Ms. Kim and the baby. Mr. Oh
reportedly

became angry and left.

Mr. Pak writes that Ms. Kim met a Korean couple in Japan who helped her

return to Korea with her son. He claims that upon returning Ms. Kim

demanded that Rev. Moon take responsibility for the child. Mr. Pak
states

that Rev. Moon accepted the baby boy and named him Ki Jin Moon. This

boy died at age thirteen in a train accident, according to Mr. Pak

The mother and two daughters

Mr. Pak tells of a woman, Jong Soon Shin*(the wife of Song Mo Lee) who

had two virgin daughters, Song Hwa* Lee and Song Ne* Lee. She first
came

to the Church with her daughters on December 24, 1953. Ms. Shin and her

two daughters all joined together.

Mr. Pak states that Ms. Shin believed that if she were close to Rev.
Moon

she would have a peaceful life. Therefore, she decided to sell the
house she

owned in Pusan and donate the money to the Church. This money was used

to capitalize a rope business that Mr. Pak was running at the time. Ms.
Shin

became one of the six Marys, according to Mr. Pak. Rev. Moon
purportedly

told Mr. Pak at that time, "Sung Hwa, you and this lady (Ms. Shin) will

make an ideal couple. In the future, you will be responsible for the
finances

of our church. Ms. Shin is also mentioned in the testimony of Ms. Shin
Hee

Eu at the end of this article.

Rev. Moon allegedly deflowered both daughters, promising the younger
girl,

Song Ne* Lee that she would become his bride (the True Eve). She

purportedly became pregnant and gave birth to a son, but Rev. Moon
would

not accept the child, according to Mr. Pak. This boy was then adopted
by

another family. Mr. Pak claims that Ms. Shin became ill and died a few

years later, after her great disappointment over these events.

Two Other Children

Mr. Pak alleges that Rev. Moon was the father of two other children. He

does not offer any documentation or sources (other than himself) for
these

accounts. The children's real names are not given. Neither of these
children

was allowed to use Rev. Moon's name, according to Mr. Pak.

Mr. Pak tells of a woman who became pregnant (by Rev. Moon), who was

matched with a another man (a member) and then had a son.

Mr. Pak writes that another woman who became pregnant was matched to

another man and married in the wedding of 36 couples in 1961 while
still

pregnant. A daughter was born who was adopted by the new husband and

received his family name (not given).

Mr. Pak states that he heard these two children (the son and daughter
above)

were later chosen by Rev. Moon to be married to each other in a Church

wedding (even though they were half brother and sister). The date of
the

wedding and other details are not given. Mr. Pak states that he had
heard

this

from a close friend, Mr. Pyong Ho Song, who Mr. Pak had introduced to
the

Church. Mr. Song was a business man who had been an enthusiastic member

and had contributed 500,000 won toward publishing the Divine Principle,

according to Mr. Pak. He states that Mr. Song later "became
disappointed by

the reality of Rev. Moon's character" and left the movement. The year
he left

is not given. Mr. Pak reports that Mr. Song is now deceased.

6 Marys (2)

Government Investigations

Mr. Pak discusses the repeated investigations of the Church by the
South

Korean government and the trials of 1955. He argues that Rev. Moon and

others were eventually pronounced innocent because of the willingness
of

Mr. Pak and other disciples to lie and even undergo torture to protect
their

leader, because they believed he was the Messiah. Mr. Hyo Min Eu makes

the same allegation in his testimony (below).

The Other True Mother

After Rev. Moon 's wedding to Hak Ja Han, in 1960, Mrs. Won Pak Choi

was chosen to live with Mr. and Mrs. Moon and act as a spiritual guide
to

Mrs. Moon (since she was so young, when she was married to Rev. Moon).

Mrs. Choi had long been Rev. Moon's secretary and interpreter. Mr. Pak

states that there arose a controversy about who was in the position of
True

Mother. Rev. Moon and some of the members considered them both sharing

the position. Mr. Pak states that Mrs. Choi was called the Second
Mother.

Hak Ja Han's mother, Ms. Hong, is purported to have demanded that Rev.

Moon declare Hak Ja Han as his only legal wife and that Mrs. Won Pak
Choi

could only be a second wife (like a concubine) with no authority. Mr.
Pak

implies that because of pressure from his wife and mother-in-law, Rev.

Moon asked Mrs. Choi to leave his home in the U.S. and return to Korea
to

be the Principal of Sung Hwa Art School. No dates are given for these

alleged events.

Jealousy Toward Mr. Eu

Mr. Pak describes what he claims was Rev. Moon's jealousy of Mr. Hyo

Won Eu, who wrote the first Divine Principle book and became the first

president of the Church. Mr. Pak argues that Mr. Eu was respected more

than Rev. Moon by the members. This allegedly caused Rev. Moon to

become very jealous and he therefore wanted to do away with Mr. Eu.

Mr. Eu had a bone disease that made it difficult and painful for him to

stand.

He had gone to medical school and knew a great deal about his physical

condition. Mr. Pak writes that Rev. Moon repeatedly told Mr. Eu to get
an

operation, but Mr. Eu supposedly resisted, knowing that an operation
would

kill him. He chose instead to only use medication to treat his
condition.

Finally Rev. Moon allegedly insisted that it was God's will for Mr. Eu
to

have the operation, which he did. Mr. Pak reports that Mr. Eu died on
the

operating table. Mr. Pak claims that Mr. Eu's death in 1970, was caused
by

the operation (the purported intention of Rev. Moon).

Mr. Pak's Life in the Church

Mr. Pak claims that after the year and a half with Rev. Moon in Hung
Nam

Prison, he lived and worked with Rev. Moon for seven years as Rev.
Moon's

right-hand man and confidant in South Korea. He reports that Rev. Moon

then transfered him to be a caretaker of a remote mountain (with
mineral

deposits) that belonged to the Church. Mr. Pak states that later Rev.
Moon

refused to communicate with him for over a month during a Korean

government investigation, even after Mr. Pak had made every possible
effort

to see him and seek his advice. Mr. Pak reports that he was still loyal
to

Rev.

Moon at the time, but couldn't understand Rev. Moon's behaviour. Mr.
Pak

indicates that he later reasoned that Rev. Moon wanted to isolate Mr.
Pak

and force him to leave the movement, because he knew too much about
Rev.

Moon's character flaws and his relationships with women. Mr. Pak states

that he remained a member until 1962 and kept in touch with Church

members after that.

Testimonies

Mr. Pak describes the early growth of the movement with the aid of
stories

from former members who Mr. Pak claims he interviewed, photographs,

written testimonies by two former members and a recorded interview with
a

third former member. The former members who give their testimonies

include: 1) Mr. Dok Jing Kim, the musician who wrote nineteen of the
Holy

Songs. Mr. Kim describes his own alleged experiences and reports on his

conversations that he supposedly had with Rev. Moon's first wife, Song
Gil

Choi, after leaving the Church; 2) Mr. Hyo Min Eu who developed a

successful photography business (for the Church) and invented the air
gun

(which Church members made and marketed); and 3) Ms. Shin Hee Eu who

was one of the women involved in the sexual "restorations" after 1953
(these

last two were cousins of Hyo Won Eu).

Mr. Dok Jing Kim's testimony (summary)

Mr. Kim admits to having participated in hundreds of the sexual
ceremonies

mentioned above. He claims he was arrested because of his participation
in,

and admitted abuse of the alleged Church practices. He states that he
sought

out the most beautiful women he could find to "restore" in three
different

cities. One of the failings, for which he purportedly was reprimanded
by

Rev. Moon and Hyo Won Eu, was that he didn't fulfil the requirement to

complete the second and third stages of the ceremony with all of his

proselytes. Mr. Kim expresses remorse for his actions and apologizes to

those who were hurt by them. He writes that he left the Unifications
Church

and decided to attend a seminary and become a Christian minister

Mr. Dok Jing Kim also writes that Rev. Moon's first wife, Ms. Choi,
later

visited his home and complained to him that Rev. Moon had demanded

sexual intercourse more than ten times per night throughout her
pregnancy

with Sung Jin. He claims that she told him that they "should tell the
whole

world that Sun Myung Moon definitely isn't the Second Coming of Christ

and perhaps isn't even human, but rather some kind of snake like
creature."

Testimony of Hyo Min Eu (extracted)

Hyo Min Eu was the second secretary of the Church (after Chung Hwa Pak

who was the first secretary). He is the cousin of Hyo Won Eu and his
brother

Hyo Young Eu (another early member). Hyo Min Eu helped make the

financial foundation for the early Church. Hyo Min Eu was one of the 36

blessed couples. He left the Church in 1971. He is now 72 years old (as
of

1993). He lives in Seoul and is a company president (company not
named).

He writes: "Chung Hwa Pak was isolated far away from the Church,
because

Mr. Pak is the one who knew the most inside information. If he was

investigated by the government and spoke about everything that he was

asked, then Sun Myung Moon would have received a very heavy sentence

from the court. Also if Mr. Pak became negative, then he would become
an

obstacle to Rev. Moon. Rev. Moon used an excuse to isolate Chung Hwa

Pak. Secretly, I thought this was a conspiracy. Because Mr. Pak knew
about

the money problems and the relationships with women, Sun Myung Moon

thought Mr. Pak should be isolated.

This is a common pattern for Sun Myung Moon and the Unification Church.

I was treated the same way as Mr. Pak.

When I joined the Church, it was very poor. I started to provide my

photography skills making bromide prints and selling them.

In 1961 I invented the air gun. This started a real business. We even

exported them to Japan. The wholesale price from the factory for the
air

guns was 100,000 won each. Today they would cost 300,000 won each.

In 1961 we sold more than 150,000 pieces to Japan. The income that year

from the air gun business was 1.5 billion won.

This would become a huge source of income for the Unification Church.

After that, I was supposed to become the president of the Tong Il
company.

But actually Mr. Moon made In Chul Kim the president. One of Mr. Moon's

cousins, Sung Young Moon, became the plant manager. The head of

production was Mr. Moon's younger brother. I, as the inventor, was
given a

very strange position.

The patent for the air gun somehow became the property of Sun Myung

Moon. All the most important positions in the company were given to his

relatives. All of Mr. Moon's relatives had their own cars. I went to
work on

foot.

One day Mr. Moon said to me, "Hyo Min, you are very good at making

pictures, why don't you open up a photography shop?" I thought to
myself,

"Are you kidding? As soon as business is going well and you have money,

then you don't need me."

One day in 1971, when Sun Myung Moon had just returned from America, I

wanted to consult with him. I contacted Mrs. Won Pak Choi. She said,
"Hyo

Min, I don't think you need an appointment. He should be willing to
speak to

you anytime." Therefore I came and waited. Many people took turns to
meet

with him. Finally my turn came. I was going to be alone with Rev. Moon.
I

thought, "we will have a good talk about future business." Rev. Moon
came

into the room, saw me there and suddenly left the room. I waited there
a long

time, but he never returned. That was the last time I saw Sun Myung
Moon.

For the sake of Sun Myung Moon and the Unification Church I gave my
best

effort. I never put any burdens on the Church or Sun Myung Moon. But, I

knew too much about Church finances and Sun Myung Moon's relationships

with women. Sun Myung Moon wanted to isolate me, and force me to leave.

I was betrayed. I did decide to leave the Church after this treatment.
My

experience was exactly the same as Chung Hwa Pak. I could really

understand Mr. Pak's regret. He was mistreated. He was kicked out by
means

of the silent treatment."

"The Unification Church created a fake history. I was one of the
thirty-six

couples. I knew how the thirty six couples were matched. At that time
there

were two psychics who helped make up the thirty six families. (They
weren't

even members)."

An Interview with Ms. Shin Hee Eu (extracted)

Ms. Eu was one of the Six Marys. She started coming to the Church in
1953.

She believed in Sun Myung Moon's principles and got restored. She then

restored five or six men. When she looks back on her Church life, she
really

regrets it. (This interview was not done by Chung Hwa Pak).

"I was so stupid. Sun Myung Moon is a man who should die. I started

hearing the lectures in 1953. I had a husband and five children. We
lived a

peaceful life.

For the sake of Sun Myung Moon's lecture meetings, I offered a room in
my

house. The reason why I joined the Church is that my cousins who had

already joined were all very intelligent people. We followed them.

Q.: Did you really believe Sun Myung Moon's lectures from your heart?

A.: I thought that the second messiah was a great man. But, I couldn't

understand the very detailed contents. Anyway, I believed it.

Q.: You and your husband not only offered a room from your house, but
you

also went to Seoul. What did you do with your children?

A.: My oldest son was in his second year of middle school. My youngest

was six years old. I said to my children, "Mommy and Daddy are busy for

the Second Coming (of the Messiah). That's why we don't have time to
take

care of you." The five of them couldn't understand why I was doing
this.

They held hands as I sent them to the orphanage. It is a very sad thing
to

do.

My children spent seven years in the orphanage.

Q.: It has been forty years now. How are your children doing?

A.: Everyone became a Christian. They are sincere and serious about
their

lives. But my youngest daughter always blames me. She says, "because of

you we couldn't get a good education. We had a very miserable life
because

of you."

Q.: We heard that the women members had sex with Sun Myung Moon. Yet

you were willing to show your face and give this interview. How do you
feel

about this?

A.: To outside people I kept silent because I was frightened for the

children.

If my children knew the reality of "the restoration," I feared this
would

have

a harmful influence on them and all of my descendents. Although this is
a

very shameful thing to talk about, I still want to speak out about
everything

before I die.

Q.: Please talk about the details of "the restoration" with Sun Myung
Moon.

A.: Always one female member was recommended to go to Sun Myung

Moon's room at night. In there, she would receive restoration which was
sex.

In my case, initially I was shocked. Then in a few moments it was
finished.

That was "the restoration." I was told by Mr. Moon that I should come
back

a second and third time to clean up the Satanic blood, but I had the

restoration experience only once with Mr. Moon and then I quit.

Q.: Why?

A.: Because Sun Myung Moon had relationships with all kinds of women--

with so many women. Then I would have been the next person to be talked

about by other members. I didn't want that.

Also, a very cute girl came from my home town. We lived very close to
each

other in Pusan. This girl and I were good friends. We would hold hands
and

walk down to the river. When she became a college student, Mr. Moon
took

her to his own room in the name of restoration. He just took away her

virginity. When she told me this she cried. Although Mr. Moon used the

name of restoration, the reality was sex. Of course, this young girl
got

hurt.

When I heard this from that young girl, I quit.

Q.: After you were "restored" by Sun Myung Moon , you also had

restoration with some other men?

A.: At that time, whoever was restored by Sun Myung Moon would also

have to restore other men. I believed what Mr. Moon taught.

Q.: According to Chung Hwa Pak, you were one of the Six Marys.

A.: I heard talk about the Six Marys, but I didn't know who the Six
Marys

were. There were many women who were better looking or had a better

situation than I. There were always about three or four women around
Sun

Myung Moon.

Q.: Who were those women?

A.: Jong Soon Shin*, Song Chul Lee*, Yoon Shin Young*, and

Yon Shin Im*

Q.: We heard that Sun Myung Moon always had different new women

around him to serve him. Was there any gossip among these women?

A.: Yes. Every woman has jealousy or the desire to possess a man. Among

the women--they sometimes had conflict with each other. Sun Myung Moon

would sometimes beat them up.

Mr. Moon would often send away the women whose bodies were used and

whose property was taken. I was one of those who were thrown away. When

I think about those things, only one word can express my feeling, which
is

hatred.

The thing that I am most sorry about is my children. If I was wiser, I
should

have been able to tell good from evil.

Today I am a divorced woman. I am a lonely person. I live alone.

But, I am not alone. None of the women that served Sun Myung Moon have

had a happy life. Everyone of us was cheated by Mr. Moon. Body, heart,

money--all gone.We even have difficulty to live tomorrow. So, I take
this

opportunity to speak out. Sun Myung Moon is not a second Messiah. He

should die. We hope that he dies as soon as possible."

[end)

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~Sun Myung Moon was born in 1920 on January 6 (Lunar Calendar) in Jung
Ju province of Korea. His family raised him as a Presbyterian, but some
ex-members have testified that his parents had also been members of a
sect in the 1930's that practiced "Pi Ka Rum" (cleansing of the womb),
which was a purification act whereby the ministers had sex with the
female congregants (cleansing their wombs) who in turn had sexual
relations again with their husbands which supposedly was to spread this
sexual cleansing throughout the world. These reports gained credibility
with a book by a former church leader from the movements earliest days
called "The Tragedy Of The Six Marys". It is an account that claims
that in Moon's early days he taught that 6 married women must have
sexual relations with him and then with their own husbands and then
with other married men to spread the blood of the Messiah throughout
the world. The author Pak Chung Hwa, who was with Moon from his
earliest beginnings claimed that he became upset that Moon didn't stop
at the required 6, but continued having sexual relations with more
female members, turning the rite into a kind of "revolving sex club".
Pak later wrote a second book "Apostate" where he recanted much of the
information in the first and all the available copies of the book in
Japan, where it was sold, were bought up and destroyed by loyal members
of Moon's church. A (closet) ex-member told me that some of his friends
had visited Pak to question him about the original allegations of
sexual acts of Moon, and Pak would not directly deny them (though he
seemed to in his follow up book). In any event, he returned to the
Unification Church before the advent of the second book and it is
questionable whether money was the motivation in the new book. He has
since passed away and the secrets may remain with him forever.

~It is my own opinion that the charges of Moon's sexual deviations are
accurate. There is far too much information from a variety of sources,
including our own intelligence agencies, which are aligned in most
details of the events. Not to mention that Moon produced a child with a
young University student, Myung Hee Kim, from Yoon Se University. It
was another University : Ewha Women's University that was at the centre
of charges against Moon that he was using his church as a haven for
deceiving female professors and students into sexual relationships with
him. As detailed in various articles such as The Robert Parry Series
:The Dark Side Of Moon there are other such allegations , including a
woman who said she was disowned by her husband after having a child
from Moon, and was left alone to raise the child herself without even
any support from Moon. I personally asked Robert Parry about his series
and the accusations of sexual promiscuity against Moon. He told me "It
is possible that everyone is lying and only Sun Myung Moon is telling
the truth, but that is highly unlikely."

~In the course of my contact with current and former members there is
another account (also detailed in the Parry series) about an alleged
affair that Sun Myung Moon had with a young church member with the full
knowledge of his current wife Hak Ja Han Moon. Reportedly, Bo Hi Pak
was then asked to take responsibility for the child and raise it as his
own, which he apparently did. I was told by former members that Moon's
wife allowing the affair (presumably to restore some biblical event)
was a condition for the growth of Moon's current wife to perfection, as
determined by Moon. Well, if there was a list of "All Time Greatest
Lines Men Have Given Women", I would say this would garnish top
honours! Moon's speeches are peppered with sexual innuendo that only
seems to have worsened and become more graphic as the time has
progressed. Some consider that a sign of mental imbalance in figures
such as Moon who are deluded in their worship of themselves as
"messiah's" or "historic figures". Moon seems obsessed with sex, even
in seeing countries relations with one another as sexual in nature. He
has stated that Korea is shaped like the male sexual organ, and so
Japan being an island nation with female characteristics wants to
control Korea in the same way that he says Eve dominated Adam in the
beginning. All these pieces of evidence provide us a clear picture that
surely Moon is not the one telling the truth, and the whole world
engaged in a conspiracy of lies against him. As I have personally
discovered in other matters, it is Moon who is the liar and deceiver.
In fact, deception is justified in Moon's theology where he has stated
that it is OK to "lie to someone to make them better" and that even
"God lies to us very often"



Lucifer.
In London
www.luciferia.tv
For Anarchist Communism.
One. People One Kingdom. One Messiah.
For Apocalyptic War and the Final Holocaust of all Capitalists,
Governmentalists and Religionists.
g***@netscape.net
2005-07-12 20:54:08 UTC
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Earth-Date: 2005-07-12
<snip>
Post by g***@netscape.net
Ya'll *moonies* will get yers, what goes around comes around. Yer just
flunkies of a false prophet is all. OH well..
The *concept* of a false prophet is also a NT *warning* it was supposedly
spoken by Jesus, for the *end-times* and *you* told us that the NT is
*fraudulent*, so why then do *you believe* a *fraudulent* warning?
WRONG!!! the concept of a "false prophet" comes from Judaism. The
Talmud
repeats such warnings again and again, and even goes as far as to name
and describe a few of them that came before Jesus.

Yer so lame, go do yer own studies quit relying on yer psycho master
moon to fill-up yer peabrain.
Post by Josef Oswald
<snip>
Josef Oswald
--
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
%
Q: So, after the anesthesia, when you came out of it, what did you observe
with respect to your scalp?
A: I didn't see my scalp the whole time I was in the hospital.
Q: It was covered?
A: Yes, bandaged.
Q: Then, later on.. what did you see?
A: I had a skin graft. My whole buttocks and leg were removed and put on top
of my head.
Josef Oswald
2005-07-12 21:21:19 UTC
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Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Josef Oswald
Earth-Date: 2005-07-12
<snip>
Post by g***@netscape.net
Ya'll *moonies* will get yers, what goes around comes around. Yer just
flunkies of a false prophet is all. OH well..
The *concept* of a false prophet is also a NT *warning* it was supposedly
spoken by Jesus, for the *end-times* and *you* told us that the NT is
*fraudulent*, so why then do *you believe* a *fraudulent* warning?
WRONG!!! the concept of a "false prophet" comes from Judaism.
Well COMPost, read the above one more time: and notice the word *also*
which doesn't limit this concept JUST to the NT, of course I know that
a couple of places where the OT speaks about *false* prophets, only
problem I see here is, have *YOU* any evidence that *those* weren't made
up just as the NT was made up? What Evidence can you bring to the table
that the OT is *not* fraudulent, and riddled also with contradictions?

Just for starters: This is before the Tower of Babel: People spoke
*different* tongues, yet, the story goes that the tower of Babel caused
God to confuse the speech of people...

Genesis 10

20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their *tongues*, in
their countries, and in their nations.

31 These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their *tongues*, in
their lands, after their nations.



Genesis 11

1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a
plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them
thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may
reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon
the face of the whole earth.
5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of
men builded.
6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one
language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from
them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not
understand one another's speech.
8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the
earth: and they left off to build the city.



Josef Oswald
--
so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
-
%
A doctor was stranded with a lawyer in a leaky life raft in shark-infested
waters. The doctor tried to swim ashore but was eaten by the sharks. The
lawyer, however, swam safely past the bloodthirsty sharks. "Professional
courtesy," he explained.
g***@netscape.net
2005-07-12 21:31:49 UTC
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Post by Josef Oswald
Earth-Date: 2005-07-12
Look asswipe, go do yer own studies. Why the hell do ya ask *me*
if MOON has all the answers for ya?

*moonies* sheesh..

<snip>

GIGO
Josef Oswald
2005-07-12 22:38:05 UTC
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Post by Josef Oswald
Earth-Date: 2005-07-12
Look asswipe, <snip>
Yeah *WHEN* the ever so smart simple-minded know it all COMpost can't
answer, the *last* resort is name-calling.


Josef Oswald
--
so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
%
He is no lawyer who cannot take two sides.
g***@netscape.net
2005-07-12 21:38:58 UTC
Permalink
Ya know, -you- just get dumber and dumber everytime -you- open
yer mouth. 80% of the NT is directly from Judaism. It was *stolen*,
but I guess it hasn't dawned on yer lawless mind yet!
Post by Josef Oswald
Earth-Date: 2005-07-12
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Josef Oswald
Earth-Date: 2005-07-12
<snip>
Post by g***@netscape.net
Ya'll *moonies* will get yers, what goes around comes around. Yer just
flunkies of a false prophet is all. OH well..
The *concept* of a false prophet is also a NT *warning* it was supposedly
spoken by Jesus, for the *end-times* and *you* told us that the NT is
*fraudulent*, so why then do *you believe* a *fraudulent* warning?
WRONG!!! the concept of a "false prophet" comes from Judaism.
Well COMPost, read the above one more time: and notice the word *also*
which doesn't limit this concept JUST to the NT, of course I know that
a couple of places where the OT speaks about *false* prophets, only
problem I see here is, have *YOU* any evidence that *those* weren't made
up just as the NT was made up? What Evidence can you bring to the table
that the OT is *not* fraudulent, and riddled also with contradictions?
Just for starters: This is before the Tower of Babel: People spoke
*different* tongues, yet, the story goes that the tower of Babel caused
God to confuse the speech of people...
Genesis 10
20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their *tongues*, in
their countries, and in their nations.
31 These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their *tongues*, in
their lands, after their nations.
Genesis 11
1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a
plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them
thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may
reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon
the face of the whole earth.
5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of
men builded.
6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one
language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from
them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not
understand one another's speech.
8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the
earth: and they left off to build the city.
Josef Oswald
--
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
-
%
A doctor was stranded with a lawyer in a leaky life raft in shark-infested
waters. The doctor tried to swim ashore but was eaten by the sharks. The
lawyer, however, swam safely past the bloodthirsty sharks. "Professional
courtesy," he explained.
Josef Oswald
2005-07-12 22:53:42 UTC
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Earth-Date: 2005-07-12
Post by g***@netscape.net
Ya know, -you- just get dumber and dumber everytime -you- open
yer mouth. 80% of the NT is directly from Judaism.
So the fraudulent Nt is based on other fraudulent books contained in the
OT? Also if the Jews *recognized* their own teachings in the words of
Jesus, why did they then *reject* his words?

Again COMpost, where is your *EVIDENCE* that Moses ever received the
Laws from God, that Idea was already *old* when the Israelites left
Egypt, Hammurabi's famous laws were already carved in stone, claiming a
god gave them to him. Thanks COMpost for giving me the hint I should
check up UA this was a great point found there, one of the few gems :-)
Post by g***@netscape.net
It was *stolen*, but I guess it hasn't dawned on yer lawless mind yet!
The main point in the NT is that Jesus had to die, and that he shall
return a second time will you tell me that the *Jews* were *waiting*
for a messiah so that they can kill him (of course not themselves, but
turn him over to the Romans)

So show me that there was this Idea in the Jewish expectation, so that
*it* could be stolen..... I guess some-one *stole* your brain COMpost.
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Josef Oswald
Earth-Date: 2005-07-12
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Josef Oswald
Earth-Date: 2005-07-12
<snip>
Post by g***@netscape.net
Ya'll *moonies* will get yers, what goes around comes around. Yer just
flunkies of a false prophet is all. OH well..
The *concept* of a false prophet is also a NT *warning* it was supposedly
spoken by Jesus, for the *end-times* and *you* told us that the NT is
*fraudulent*, so why then do *you believe* a *fraudulent* warning?
WRONG!!! the concept of a "false prophet" comes from Judaism.
Well COMPost, read the above one more time: and notice the word *also*
which doesn't limit this concept JUST to the NT, of course I know that
a couple of places where the OT speaks about *false* prophets, only
problem I see here is, have *YOU* any evidence that *those* weren't made
up just as the NT was made up? What Evidence can you bring to the table
that the OT is *not* fraudulent, and riddled also with contradictions?
Just for starters: This is before the Tower of Babel: People spoke
*different* tongues, yet, the story goes that the tower of Babel caused
God to confuse the speech of people...
Genesis 10
20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their *tongues*, in
their countries, and in their nations.
31 These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their *tongues*, in
their lands, after their nations.
Genesis 11
1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a
plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them
thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may
reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon
the face of the whole earth.
5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of
men builded.
6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one
language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from
them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not
understand one another's speech.
8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the
earth: and they left off to build the city.
Josef Oswald
--
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
-
%
A doctor was stranded with a lawyer in a leaky life raft in shark-infested
waters. The doctor tried to swim ashore but was eaten by the sharks. The
lawyer, however, swam safely past the bloodthirsty sharks. "Professional
courtesy," he explained.
Josef Oswald
--
so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
%
A lawyer named Strange was shopping for a tombstone. After he had
made his selection, the stonecutter asked him what inscription he
would like on it. "Here lies an honest man and a lawyer," responded the
lawyer.
"Sorry, but I can't do that," replied the stonecutter. "In this
state, it's against the law to bury two people in the same grave. However,
I could put ``here lies an honest lawyer'', if that would be okay."
"But that won't let people know who it is" protested the lawyer.
"Certainly will," retorted the stonecutter. "people will read it
and exclaim, "That's Strange!"
g***@netscape.net
2005-07-12 23:07:10 UTC
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Post by Josef Oswald
Earth-Date: 2005-07-12
Post by g***@netscape.net
Ya know, -you- just get dumber and dumber everytime -you- open
yer mouth. 80% of the NT is directly from Judaism.
So the fraudulent Nt is based on other fraudulent books contained in the
OT? Also if the Jews *recognized* their own teachings in the words of
Jesus, why did they then *reject* his words?
Again COMpost, where is your *EVIDENCE* that Moses ever received the
Laws from God, that Idea was already *old* when the Israelites left
Egypt, Hammurabi's famous laws were already carved in stone, claiming a
god gave them to him. Thanks COMpost for giving me the hint I should
check up UA this was a great point found there, one of the few gems :-)
You need to do yer own research fella, I'm tired of proving -you-
WRONG!!!
Hint: check the chronological sequence, and where the Jews were at what
time!

<snip>

GIGO
Josef Oswald
2005-07-13 16:14:59 UTC
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Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Josef Oswald
Earth-Date: 2005-07-12
Post by g***@netscape.net
Ya know, -you- just get dumber and dumber everytime -you- open
yer mouth. 80% of the NT is directly from Judaism.
So the fraudulent Nt is based on other fraudulent books contained in the
OT? Also if the Jews *recognized* their own teachings in the words of
Jesus, why did they then *reject* his words?
Again COMpost, where is your *EVIDENCE* that Moses ever received the
Laws from God, that Idea was already *old* when the Israelites left
Egypt, Hammurabi's famous laws were already carved in stone, claiming a
god gave them to him. Thanks COMpost for giving me the hint I should
check up UA this was a great point found there, one of the few gems :-)
You need to do yer own research fella, I'm tired of proving -you-
WRONG!!!
How could you get tired of something, you never were able to
*accomplish* once! I know *I* can't get tired of proving myself right
though, and *you* make it so easy....
Post by g***@netscape.net
Hint: check the chronological sequence, and where the Jews were at what
time!
The Jews were in Egypt, yes, and you *forgot* *where* Moses spend his 40
years (if one believes the story that is). I'll tell you where, namely
in the Palace, and he was among the *most* educated people of his
Country, so he was aware of Hammurabi's law.

Some historians even think that some of the Jewish laws was just a
*copy* , this isn't the point I am making, the point is Hammurabi also
*claimed* that his law was given to him by a god....
http://tinyurl.com/58j4

The Code of Hammurabi [18th Century BCE]

Of the several law codes surviving from the ancient Middle East, the most
famous after the Hebrew Torah is the Code of Hammurabi, sixth king of the
Amorite Dynasty of Old Babylon. It is best known from a beautifully
engraved diorite stela now in the Louvre Museum which also depicts the king
receiving the law from Shamash, the god of justice.

</unqoute>

Ham·mu·ra·bi Pronunciation Key (hm-räb, häm-)
also Ham·mu·ra·pi (-b, -p), Died 1750 B.C.

Babylonian king (1792-1750) who made Babylon the chief Mesopotamian
kingdom and codified the laws of Mesopotamia and Sumeria.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Exodus

Exodus

the great deliverance wrought for the children of Israel when they were
brought out of the land of Egypt with "a mighty hand and with an
outstretched arm" (Ex 12:51; Deut. 26:8; Ps 114; 136), about B.C. 1490,

</unqoute>


The point is, why don't we believe Hammurabi's *story* that he got the Law
from a god? Is it because there is no *real* Evidence for it, just as there
is no real Evidence for Moses having received the laws of G-d.

Yeah we have a problem here don't we?
Post by g***@netscape.net
<snip>
GIGO
Yeah MORE Garbage *coming* OUT, thanks for the reminder.....

OH BTW COMpost, how can words I have written here on my PC ever burn in
hell? LOL
Josef Oswald
--
so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
%
Fortune's Real-Life Courtroom Quote #41:
!
Q: Now, Mrs. Johnson, how was your first marriage terminated?
A: By death.
Q: And by whose death was it terminated?
Eric
2005-07-11 21:26:24 UTC
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Post by Eric
You are a fringe hanger on. The DC sisters and the Randy Erpelding
channeling saints crowd are just two examples of a number of fringe
groups. Rev. Moon never had anything to do with them. Rather than pay
attention to the people that could have taught you, you went off on a
tangent, just like you do with Judaism and Christianity.
Hehh, that's a laugh.. ..you are insinuating that all the fringe
groups in MOON's Church were created by little ole *me*.
You are hardly that important, creative or spiritual.
Post by g***@netscape.net
HAHAHAHA, get yer head out of yer ass, fella.. ..NObody does ANYthing
in
MOON's skism without MOON's OK on it. Erpelding was meeting with MOON
once every month on the subject.
Yea, sure. One of you is a liar.
Post by g***@netscape.net
NOT that -you- would know, cause -you-
were not there to begin with. BY yer own admission, MOON's religion is
just one BIG FAT LIE, and skism to begin with. Filled with NOTHING but
liars and *crazy* talking.. ..well I knew that, which is why I left
to begin with.
You fell for Randy like a ton of bricks.
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Eric
Post by g***@netscape.net
It was a LIE of the same caliber as Black Hyueng Jin, the DC Prayer
sisters, and the proclamations by the Dead Presidents. It was ALL
MOON's doing to begin
with, and MOON he simply washes his hands of it, when it's convenient.
Proving -you- simply can't trust the man they call Reverand Sun Myung
Moon!
He will hang ya out to dry as soon as he is done *ab-using* you.
entity
Post by Eric
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Eric
Post by Josef Oswald
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Josef Oswald
Post by g***@netscape.net
Your disrespect, malice, and contempt are extremely obvious to
*me*!
You really think *YOU* would be in the same league as the *great*
Saint Boniface, who BTW happens to be a Catholic, who also
*perpetrated* the teachings of the popes, teachings *you* now
call
Post by Eric
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Eric
Post by Josef Oswald
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Josef Oswald
LIES.... Neither could one compare you with the *Pope* Boniface,
again another RC, who passed on (by you so-called) LIES.
Yer crazy, and don't even know what -you- talk about either. The
Boniface in question NEVER became Pope, he slaughtered many men and
stoned many women all in the name of *his* religious beliefs.
I can see why *that* would be a very fitting *screen-name* for you,
sure glad you can't act upon it, but who knows given the chance you
will
live up to this legacy?
And if you had *carefully* read my previous reply, then you would have
seen that *I* *mention* *two* Boniface, *both* were RC.
Post by g***@netscape.net
Yer psycho master moon gave me that name to contact in spiritworld.
Here Bruce lies. He received this and decided he was the channel for
St. Boniface to work on the Earth again, through his affiliation with a
group of spiritualists that were quickly seen as going off on a tangent
from the Divine Principle. Bruce, the one who loved and channeled the
Boniface that slaughtered so many, to the point of taking on his name,
never got any direction from Rev. Moon, he got it from Randy Erpelding.
Hehh, well ya got part of it right! It was a LIE alright.. ..of MOON's
and
I simply caught him in it!
Post by Eric
Post by Josef Oswald
Which psycho master *your* talking about? You can't even be *original*
you just parrot what my dear older brother Rob(r)(b)oy has been saying.
So if you weren't involved with the UM. how could it be that
Rev.Moon
had
*personal* contact with you?
Post by g***@netscape.net
That was moon's first mistake, his second was when he asked *me*
to contact his own brother, whom he claimed was *crazy* simply
because
his brother didn't believe moon was the *messiah* any more than me!
In the meantime -you- wanna pretend yer obvious malice, contempt,
and
disrespect is NOT aimed at ME!
Like I said, *you* are certainly no ST.Boniface Pope or otherwise....
Show some *respect* Dude and *YOU* WILL get it,
<snip>
Josef Oswald
g***@netscape.net
2005-07-12 00:41:02 UTC
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Post by Eric
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Eric
You are a fringe hanger on. The DC sisters and the Randy Erpelding
channeling saints crowd are just two examples of a number of fringe
groups. Rev. Moon never had anything to do with them. Rather than pay
attention to the people that could have taught you, you went off on a
tangent, just like you do with Judaism and Christianity.
Hehh, that's a laugh.. ..you are insinuating that all the fringe
groups in MOON's Church were created by little ole *me*.
You are hardly that important, creative or spiritual.
Post by g***@netscape.net
HAHAHAHA, get yer head out of yer ass, fella.. ..NObody does ANYthing
in
MOON's skism without MOON's OK on it. Erpelding was meeting with MOON
once every month on the subject.
Yea, sure. One of you is a liar.
Post by g***@netscape.net
NOT that -you- would know, cause -you-
were not there to begin with. BY yer own admission, MOON's religion is
just one BIG FAT LIE, and skism to begin with. Filled with NOTHING but
liars and *crazy* talking.. ..well I knew that, which is why I left
to begin with.
You fell for Randy like a ton of bricks.
Yeah, so did alot of other good people STILL left in moon's Church.
So tell *me* who does that leave ya'll with now that *we* have ALL
left? YOU, Josef, Bob, and Damian?!? Hehh.. ..all the *sensatives*
are gone, all that's left are the hardassed turds..
Post by Eric
Post by g***@netscape.net
Post by Eric
Post by g***@netscape.net
It was a LIE of the same caliber as Black Hyueng Jin, the DC Prayer
sisters, and the proclamations by the Dead Presidents. It was ALL
MOON's doing to begin
with, and MOON he simply washes his hands of it, when it's convenient.
Proving -you- simply can't trust the man they call Reverand Sun Myung
Moon!
He will hang ya out to dry as soon as he is done *ab-using* you.
entity
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Your disrespect, malice, and contempt are extremely obvious to
*me*!
You really think *YOU* would be in the same league as the *great*
Saint Boniface, who BTW happens to be a Catholic, who also
*perpetrated* the teachings of the popes, teachings *you* now
call
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LIES.... Neither could one compare you with the *Pope* Boniface,
again another RC, who passed on (by you so-called) LIES.
Yer crazy, and don't even know what -you- talk about either. The
Boniface in question NEVER became Pope, he slaughtered many men
and
stoned many women all in the name of *his* religious beliefs.
I can see why *that* would be a very fitting *screen-name* for you,
sure glad you can't act upon it, but who knows given the chance you
will
live up to this legacy?
And if you had *carefully* read my previous reply, then you would
have
seen that *I* *mention* *two* Boniface, *both* were RC.
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Yer psycho master moon gave me that name to contact in
spiritworld.
Here Bruce lies. He received this and decided he was the channel for
St. Boniface to work on the Earth again, through his affiliation with a
group of spiritualists that were quickly seen as going off on a tangent
from the Divine Principle. Bruce, the one who loved and channeled the
Boniface that slaughtered so many, to the point of taking on his name,
never got any direction from Rev. Moon, he got it from Randy Erpelding.
Hehh, well ya got part of it right! It was a LIE alright.. ..of MOON's
and
I simply caught him in it!
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Which psycho master *your* talking about? You can't even be
*original*
you just parrot what my dear older brother Rob(r)(b)oy has been
saying.
So if you weren't involved with the UM. how could it be that
Rev.Moon
had
*personal* contact with you?
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That was moon's first mistake, his second was when he asked *me*
to contact his own brother, whom he claimed was *crazy* simply
because
his brother didn't believe moon was the *messiah* any more than
me!
In the meantime -you- wanna pretend yer obvious malice, contempt,
and
disrespect is NOT aimed at ME!
Like I said, *you* are certainly no ST.Boniface Pope or otherwise....
Show some *respect* Dude and *YOU* WILL get it,
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You are a fringe hanger on. The DC sisters and the Randy Erpelding
channeling saints crowd are just two examples of a number of fringe
groups. Rev. Moon never had anything to do with them. Rather than pay
attention to the people that could have taught you, you went off on a
tangent, just like you do with Judaism and Christianity.
Hehh, that's a laugh.. ..you are insinuating that all the fringe
groups in MOON's Church were created by little ole *me*.
You are hardly that important, creative or spiritual.
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HAHAHAHA, get yer head out of yer ass, fella.. ..NObody does ANYthing
in
MOON's skism without MOON's OK on it. Erpelding was meeting with MOON
once every month on the subject.
Yea, sure. One of you is a liar.
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NOT that -you- would know, cause -you-
were not there to begin with. BY yer own admission, MOON's religion is
just one BIG FAT LIE, and skism to begin with. Filled with NOTHING but
liars and *crazy* talking.. ..well I knew that, which is why I left
to begin with.
You fell for Randy like a ton of bricks.
Yeah, so did alot of other good people STILL left in moon's Church.
So tell *me* who does that leave ya'll with now that *we* have ALL
left? YOU, Josef, Bob, and Damian?!? Hehh.. ..all the *sensatives*
are gone, all that's left are the hardassed turds..
Those who endure to the end will inherit the *kingdom*...

Good for you is, we (unlike many Christians) do hold the view, even all
*sinners* will make it into heaven, this includes you too...

:-)



Josef Oswald
--
so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
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You are a fringe hanger on. The DC sisters and the Randy Erpelding
channeling saints crowd are just two examples of a number of fringe
groups. Rev. Moon never had anything to do with them. Rather than pay
attention to the people that could have taught you, you went off on a
tangent, just like you do with Judaism and Christianity.
Hehh, that's a laugh.. ..you are insinuating that all the fringe
groups in MOON's Church were created by little ole *me*.
You are hardly that important, creative or spiritual.
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HAHAHAHA, get yer head out of yer ass, fella.. ..NObody does ANYthing
in
MOON's skism without MOON's OK on it. Erpelding was meeting with MOON
once every month on the subject.
Yea, sure. One of you is a liar.
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NOT that -you- would know, cause -you-
were not there to begin with. BY yer own admission, MOON's religion is
just one BIG FAT LIE, and skism to begin with. Filled with NOTHING but
liars and *crazy* talking.. ..well I knew that, which is why I left
to begin with.
You fell for Randy like a ton of bricks.
Yeah, so did alot of other good people STILL left in moon's Church.
So tell *me* who does that leave ya'll with now that *we* have ALL
left? YOU, Josef, Bob, and Damian?!? Hehh.. ..all the *sensatives*
are gone, all that's left are the hardassed turds..
Those who endure to the end will inherit the *kingdom*...
Good for you is, we (unlike many Christians) do hold the view, even all
*sinners* will make it into heaven, this includes you too...
:-)
So -you- think yer LAWlessness will see -you- in heaven?
I think NOT! Stealing, cheating, and lying will only leave
-you- insane like yer psycho master moon! If that ain't HELL
what is?
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Josef Oswald
--
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
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